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Re: The Oromo history corner.

Postby Waachis » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:47 pm

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I know Rendille are Somali come on bro, I am talking about Borena.

My hypothesis is Borena, Somali, Beja are the same people, Oromo confederacy does not fit in that picture.


Somalis are not coastal people exclusively, infact we are predominantly pastoral, coastal lifestyle is for merchants and it is not a profession that exist in a vacuum. What I do agree with is Proto-Somalis(Beja, Somali, Borena) migrated along the red sea into the horn thousands of years ago, and in waves expanded from the Horn into the south, and West.

The Borena in Kenya and Southern Ethiopia, originated along with us in the North of the Horn, were the ancient Laas geel paintings are, however Oromo are not part of this, this term Oromo itself is dubius, look up your history mate, don't leach off of Proto-Somali history by attaching yourself to a closely related group to Somalis like the Borena or Beja.

Furthermore, no Borena wants anything to do with Abbysinian slaves, they despise you lot, and they despise Arabs, they are practically Somalis. :lol:


Just because you don't know about the origin of the term Oromo, doesn't make it's legitimacy any less legitimate/accurate/etc.
The Europeans themselves in the 1800s said they are called galla by their enemies, but call themselves what? Ilma Orma, which is what Oromo comes from, which means brave and/or free men.
Borana are ANGAFA, or ELDERS, so yes we come from them, but they are the root of the oromo family tree.
then the younger moiety or family tree, is the bareentu, the ones that most somalis interact with (arsi, afran qallo, etc).

the quotes above are not in the context of the somalis u know today.
look up the books and their dates if u do not believe me bro.
this was before there was an actual somalia, an organized/united/ country under 1 administration.

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Re: The Oromo history corner.

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:35 pm

Waachis there was never a country called Somalia there were tribalchieftains of gobroob ajuraan and majeertenia it was an Italian creation even the jubbaland was part of British east Africa. Oromo lives in parts of the raxanweyn country and parts of galkacyo in ancient time. By the way I think oromo is a complex large ethnic group you can't compare it to a small daarood clan. Oromo is diverse some are closer to xabashi some are close to Somali or canfar.. it's all about location.

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Re: The Oromo history corner.

Postby Waachis » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:58 pm

''The Oromo relate that Gobana, after the death of his father, was banished from his country, and reduced to the rank of a reaper on the plantations of Menelik the 2nd (at this time, only king of Shoa).
Once, during the feast of the Cross, Gobana went to the ritual joust, and unhorsed all the jousters.
Menelik the 2nd, who was present at the joust, desired to know the winner (Gobana) personally.
Gobana appeared before the king's throne and revealed to Menelik that he (Gobana) was the son of a King. Then Menelik appointed him 'Ligaba,' and gave him the title of 'Ato.'

His first expedition was made against the Gurage, following one led there by Waldie Baseyum.
Gobana had, at this time, only 50 guns of ancient type, and 12 Sanadir (the Abyssinian name of ''Sniders''); nevertheless he conquered and plundered the country of the Gurage, but without remaining there long enough to subdue the region decisively.
Then he was sent by Menelik against the Oromos of Shoa, and he defeated Tufa Botora, chief of the Abbiccu and Galan.
He marched victoriously into Falle, and established his chief camp (Amharic=Katama) in the former district of his father.
There he was appointed Ras. When Menelik decided to conquer Salale, Ras Gobana and Ras Darge (Menelik's uncle) united their strength and, after six months, set out for Salale to subdue its inhabitants.
Later, Gobana made three expeditions against the kingdom of Tufa Oba (another portion of the Galan, Abbiccu and Gullallie territory), but without conquering the land.
The 4th time he was stopped in a new invasion against Daggac Nado, who had already concluded an agreement with Tufa Oba.

After making sure of the dominion of the Amara over the Oromo of Shoa, Menelik also desired to extend the frontiers of his kingdom beyond the Gibe. At this time, those Oromo districts were occupied by the Gojjame army which, after subjugating the intermediate countries, had advanced as far as Kaffa.
Ras Gobana, in charge of this far from easy enterprise, feigned to rebel against Emperor Yohannes and King Menelik, and demanded to be appointed governor of the Oromo countries occupied by the Gojjames.
The Emperor Yohannes refused to grant to him these lands, and Gobana began a campaign against the Gojjames and passed the Gibe.
At this time (1882), the King of Gojjam-Takla Haymanot, was already engaged in his third invasion of Kaffa, when the hostilities between Shoa and Gojjam began.
Menelik stood, at the beginning secretly, then publicly by Ras Gobana. The King Takla Haymanot, to avoid being surprised far from his own country, withdrew the greater part of his army toward Gojjam, leaving his officer, Ras Daraso, in Jimma Abba Jifar to guard the territory already conquyered.
Daraso had under his command the army of Jimma, the Leqa Horda led by Tucco Danno, and the Gudru.
Menelik sent against those troops Ras Gobana, who, without fighting, forced Daraso to retreat.
Finally at Dilalo in Nonno, the two armies assailed each other; but after a short struggle, almsot without shedding of blood, Daraso continued his retreat.

Ras Daraso continued his march toward Gojjam til he reached Embabo, a plain in Gudru.
There he stopped and awaited his enemies, drawn up for battle.
After numerous actions favorable to the Gojjames, the king Takla Haymanot himself appeared on the field of battle.
The final combat took place on Sunday, December 25th 1875 (Abyssinian era).
The Shoans (led by Gobana) won a great victory. Takla Haymanot was taken prisoner by a Negro slave named Sambato who, therefore, was freed and appointed fitawrari.
Ras Mangasa Atikam recognizing that the prisoner taken by Sambato was the king of Gojjam, bought him for ten thalers, and led him to Gobana's tent.
Gobana, seeing the king, cried to him (in Amharic), ''O Gojjame, bring to me the plate!''
answering thus a boast of Takla Haymanot, who had said that: ''After the battle Ras Gobana will bear my mitad during the return journey to Gojjam!''
The mitad is a plate of iron used by the Abyssinians to break bread (Injera).

After this victory Ras Gobana, instead of returning to Shoa, advanced toward the territory of the Cabo Oromo to subdue them.
But when he reached Warego, he was assailed and pushed back by the Cabo; during the battle, the brother-in-law of Gobana, Birru Nagawe was killed.''

[Varia Africana III, Vol. 3 (Classic Reprint)
by E. A. Hooton (Author), Pages 70-73]

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Re: The Oromo history corner.

Postby Waachis » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:37 pm

An Afternoon with Nadhi Gamada and Abba Yusuf, Mogadishu (1985)
By: Jilcha Hamid.


"I brought you a guest today" said Abba Yusuf as he entered and greeted my father. Abba Yusuf was the organizations envoy in Mogadishu for almost 20 years. He was practically raised by the organization and was in charge of all of it's dealings in the city. On this occasion he was hosting the OLF's Head of Political Affairs, Nadhi Gamada, who was in Mogadishu to officially open diplomatic relations with the Somali gov't. The meeting was brief and they agreed to meet again the next day for lunch.

When Nadhi arrived in Mogadishu he was briefed by Somali National Security, who told him that he was free to move about in the city. But they placed undercover agents outside of his hotel to watch him. This was done so that they can identify and gather information on OLF members in Mogadishu (incase relations went bad and they needed to round them up in the future). However, Abba Yusuf came up with a clever plan and they were able to meet at the restaurant without raising suspicion.

Sitting at a shaded table of an outdoor cafe Nadhi opened up. He spoke about everything from diplomatic relations with the Somali gov't to life in the bush. He talked about the hardship they faced, the grief of losing comrades.

"When the village that fed you yesterday, is burned down by the militia. When the comrade you laughed with today, and bury him the next day. A person would never live this life for a million dollars. But we do it happily."

Nadhi even joked that he had been in the bush for so long, that he forgot how to even walk on the street like a civilian. He was relateable. My father recalled that after spending a day or two with him, he felt as though he was talking to one of his siblings. One of the skills that Nadhi had, was that he knew exactly what you wanted to hear, so he would answer all your questions before you had a chance to ask. This is something that I also heard Sh. Xaliileeysaa say in his recent OMN interview when talking about Nadhi. The only time Nadhi had difficulty speaking about a topic, was when it came to the OLF/IFLO infighting which was going on at the time.

After completing his diplomatic assignment Nadhi returned to Oromia. OLF relations with the Somali gov't were rocky throughout the early 1980's. But after Nadhi's visit, relations never broke down again. I believe there were 2 reasons for this:

1. Before that the Somali gov't had a strict policy of only dealing with the so called Somali Abbo Liberation Front (which were active in Bale/Sidamo) and Somali Galbeed (which had been active in Harar during the Ethio-Somali border war). Both groups had collapsed by the mid 1980's and the Barre regime understood that they needed to work with the OLF.

2. Nadhi had a more relateable character and approach than prior OLF diplomats. He built not just official relations, but personal relations with high ranking military and political officials.

Nadhi continued his duties until the collapse of the derg and TGE period. Afterwhich he was tasked to head the OLF's southern wing. He eventually went missing when the TGE collapsed and armed conflict resumed in the Summer of 1992. Although nothing has been confirmed about his whereabouts, one of the people who reported to him at the time say that he was captured at Arba Gugu and killed.

Abba Yusuf was also martyred in Nairobi in 1999. May God have mercy on them.

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Re: The Oromo history corner.

Postby dalalos101 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:55 am

Waachis there was never a country called Somalia there were tribalchieftains of gobroob ajuraan and majeertenia it was an Italian creation even the jubbaland was part of British east Africa. Oromo lives in parts of the raxanweyn country and parts of galkacyo in ancient time. By the way I think oromo is a complex large ethnic group you can't compare it to a small daarood clan. Oromo is diverse some are closer to xabashi some are close to Somali or canfar.. it's all about location.
khalid goorma ka koraysa qabyalada :lol:

waachis bro, take it how you want it, but Borena share similar culture, history, and genetics to Somalis, the same cannot be said about all these so called Oromo, its a confederation.

Yes Somalia the nation state did not exist until 1960-1 but different Somali polities existed since a 1000 years going back further even, and these polities recognized each other as Somali and cooperated with each other, we have records of this, Adal, Ajuran were the latest.

Unlike many African nations, Somalia is unique in the sense that it was the peoples wish, infact it was the people from all 5 corners of Somali lands to establish a single state, two of them eventually succeeded in this while 3 of them remained occupied until Djibouti the smallest of the 5 Somali lands succeeded in freeing themselves from occupation but did not join the unity for what ever reason.

History of Oromo is fascinating but I am more interested in Borena only because of shared culture and genetics, the Barentu are not genetically same as Somali, they are melting pot, while Borena are pure people free from habesha for the most part.

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Re: The Oromo history corner.

Postby St8OuttaDirree » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:22 am

Waachis there was never a country called Somalia there were tribalchieftains of gobroob ajuraan and majeertenia it was an Italian creation even the jubbaland was part of British east Africa. Oromo lives in parts of the raxanweyn country and parts of galkacyo in ancient time. By the way I think oromo is a complex large ethnic group you can't compare it to a small daarood clan. Oromo is diverse some are closer to xabashi some are close to Somali or canfar.. it's all about location.
khalid goorma ka koraysa qabyalada :lol:

waachis bro, take it how you want it, but Borena share similar culture, history, and genetics to Somalis, the same cannot be said about all these so called Oromo, its a confederation.

Yes Somalia the nation state did not exist until 1960-1 but different Somali polities existed since a 1000 years going back further even, and these polities recognized each other as Somali and cooperated with each other, we have records of this, Adal, Ajuran were the latest.

Unlike many African nations, Somalia is unique in the sense that it was the peoples wish, infact it was the people from all 5 corners of Somali lands to establish a single state, two of them eventually succeeded in this while 3 of them remained occupied until Djibouti the smallest of the 5 Somali lands succeeded in freeing themselves from occupation but did not join the unity for what ever reason.

History of Oromo is fascinating but I am more interested in Borena only because of shared culture and genetics, the Barentu are not genetically same as Somali, they are melting pot, while Borena are pure people free from habesha for the most part.

Do you know the difference between barentu and borana?

The people of Shawa, Wallaga, Jimma etc are also considered Borana. So do you see them genetically and culturally similar to somalis?

Genetically speaking, Oromos are definitely diverse, but that doesn’t mean we’re all different. Horners are all related somewhere down the line.

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Re: The Oromo history corner.

Postby Waachis » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:40 pm

''From the strategical position thus gained, the Abyssinians soon reduced the several Oromo tribes that surround Harar, and then set about raiding and reducing the Somali of Ogaden and the Webi Shabelle between 1890 and 1894.
The Ogaden soon submitted, although the Reer Amaden not only resisted the invasion of their territory, but defeated the Abyssinians with a loss, it is said, of 5000 at Sulul in 1893.
The Arsi Oromos were next reduced, between 1893 and 1895, but it was only with considerable difficulty that the conqest of their land was effected.
In the end of 1894 Mr. Donaldson Smith found the Abussinians in occupation both of the Upper Shabelle and of the Upper Juba about the head-streams of the Webi.
In 1897 he wrote with regard to delimitation that ''a line from Ime, on the Shabelle river, to a point immediately below Bonga, in Kaffa, will mark the southern limits of any country to which the Emperor Menelik can at present lay claim, either by virture of peaceful occupation, by treaties with the native chiefs, or by conquest.''
Even in 1895, however, roving bands of Abyssinians had penetrated to Lugh and Bardera. This is in accordance with the Abyssinian method and system of sending out emissaries and raiding parties to demand tribute.
In 1897 the territory of the Borana was invaded, and an emissary of Menelik-M. Darragon, made a huried but futile visit to the Borana in 1890.
It is not known what efforts have been made by the Abyssinians to consolidate their conquests, but it is known that besides the province of Harar and the British sphere are governed by Ras Makonnen (father of Haile Selassie), the Oromo territories between Harar and the British sphere are governed by Ras Darge (uncle of Menelik) and Ras Walda Gabriel, and that another Ras resides at Daraza, in the district where the Juba (Ganale Gudda) rises in the territory of the Sidama and the Guji Oromos.
It seems probable, therefore, that, notwithstanding the loud claims to vast territories which have been too much heard of, the effective occupation of the Abyssinians has been confined within proper limits.''

[Travel & Sport in Africa, Volume 3
By Sir Alfred Edward Pease, Pages 3-6]

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Re: The Oromo history corner.

Postby Waachis » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:36 pm

''In proposing a vote of thanks to Miss Werner, the Chairman invited remarks from those present. He remarked himself that the Oromos had played a very great part in the ancient civilization of Savage Africa.
They were one of the earliest representatives of the Caucasian race, and, through sheer force of circumstances, had lost some of their early civilization and came down in the world.

I think the race in even recent times has extended further south than we find it today. From examining vocabularies I am struck by the appearance of Oromo roots as far south as the north end of Lake Nyasa.
And, of course, in the history of East Africa we must recall that an important Oromo tribe, almost extinct at the present day-The Es-Segeju-helped the Portuguese to overcome the cannibal raid of the Bazimba.
The Bazimba seem to have started from South-west Congoland, and, after overwhelming the Portuguese almost entirely, they turned noth and sacked the Arab town of Kilwa, and were not finally disposed of until, with the assitance of the Es-segeju, they were completely exterminated near Mombasa.

All these Oromo peoples, both in Abyssinia, and, further south, in Equatorial East Africa, have been remarkably neglected by European students. The most we can glean of the language of the Southern Oromo is that work by Tutschek from 1 or more Oromo peoples of Abyssinia somewhere about 1848, and that gives one a tolerably correct impression, I am told, of some of the Southern dialects. All this has such an immensely important bearing on the past history of Africa, from ancient Egyptian days onwards, that I do hope the work of Miss Werner, when her article appears in the Journal of the African Society, will draw the attention of Governors, travellers, and missionaries to the Oromo peoples as they exist today, and, above all, to writing down their dialects.
There is no group of languages of more historical interest than the languages of the Hamites for the light they will throw on the Caucasian's relations with Africa; and yet, perhaps, there is no group more superficially studied.''


[African Affairs: Journal of the Royal African Society, Volume 13
Page 317. Published in 1913]

Further down, on page 318:

''The Oromo impinge on the Bantu negroes because the Oromos have permeated north-east Africa, and certainly seem to be the principal element in composing those Bantu aristocracies known to us mainly as the Bahima, in Uganda, and surrounding countries.
The Bahima are palpably of Oromo affinities. I have sometimes ventured to speak of them as being like the ancient Egyptians because you find among them a type of face which irresistibly recalls the portraiture of the Pharoahs. But, after all, the ancient Egyptians were closely allied to the Oromo. The Oromo seem to have been the original inhabitans of Somaliland when visited by Egyptian exploratory expeditions.
The Punt portraits which appear in engravings on stone and frescoes in Egyptian temples recall the Oromo more than anything else.
The Somali is possibly little more than a hybrid between the original nomadic population and Arab civilizers and immigrants.''


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