SL chances for recognition increased under this Govt

[Typhoon]

somalia borders is reconized by all UN states

somalia has border with Djibouti ethiopia and kenya, good luck trying to alter international law without uncle sams full military and diplomatic backing

the reason british somaliland joined italian somalia was because somaliland was never a viable state(said the british)
and the ethiopians had expansionistic ambitions towards berbera, hence why darood clans in british somaliland did fear ethiopia but the isaaq run to somalia out of fear that their territories might be included in recent acquired ogaden by the ethiopians


we rather have land swap with ethiopia then give isaaq unjustifiable land of other somali clans

abiye knows that and ethiopians know that, its a matter of time before ethiopian negotate to permenent settlement on the somali ethiopian land dispute (land for sea access)

[X.Playa]

somalia borders is reconized by all UN states

somalia has border with Djibouti ethiopia and kenya, good luck trying to alter international law without uncle sams full military and diplomatic backing

the reason british somaliland joined italian somalia was because somaliland was never a viable state(said the british)
and the ethiopians had expansionistic ambitions towards berbera, hence why darood clans in british somaliland did fear ethiopia but the isaaq run to somalia out of fear that their territories might be included in recent acquired ogaden by the ethiopians


we rather have land swap with ethiopia then give isaaq unjustifiable land of other somali clans

abiye knows that and ethiopians know that, its a matter of time before ethiopian negotate to permenent settlement on the somali ethiopian land dispute (land for sea access)

First of all there was no country named Somalia, so use the proper name the Somali Republic. Your second point about SL been not viable, I'd love to see where is your sources for that. The rest of the piece is meaningless.

[X.Playa]

somalia borders is reconized by all UN states

somalia has border with Djibouti ethiopia and kenya, good luck trying to alter international law without uncle sams full military and diplomatic backing

the reason british somaliland joined italian somalia was because somaliland was never a viable state(said the british)
and the ethiopians had expansionistic ambitions towards berbera, hence why darood clans in british somaliland did fear ethiopia but the isaaq run to somalia out of fear that their territories might be included in recent acquired ogaden by the ethiopians


we rather have land swap with ethiopia then give isaaq unjustifiable land of other somali clans

abiye knows that and ethiopians know that, its a matter of time before ethiopian negotate to permenent settlement on the somali ethiopian land dispute (land for sea access)

First of all there was no country named Somalia, so use the proper name the Somali Republic. Your second point about SL been not viable, I'd love to see where is your sources for that. The rest of the piece is meaningless.

[Typhoon]

somalia borders is reconized by all UN states

somalia has border with Djibouti ethiopia and kenya, good luck trying to alter international law without uncle sams full military and diplomatic backing

the reason british somaliland joined italian somalia was because somaliland was never a viable state(said the british)
and the ethiopians had expansionistic ambitions towards berbera, hence why darood clans in british somaliland did fear ethiopia but the isaaq run to somalia out of fear that their territories might be included in recent acquired ogaden by the ethiopians


we rather have land swap with ethiopia then give isaaq unjustifiable land of other somali clans

abiye knows that and ethiopians know that, its a matter of time before ethiopian negotate to permenent settlement on the somali ethiopian land dispute (land for sea access)

First of all there was no country named Somalia, so use the proper name the Somali Republic. Your second point about SL been not viable, I'd love to see where is your sources for that. The rest of the piece is meaningless.

read my old thread i lost some of the sources were the colonial office made it clear british somaliland is not a viable state without massive aid and they only colonised it to feed aden (infact the british were happy to get rid of somaliland)

why isaaq ran to southern somalia why

The land was too wild and too poor quality to yield much economically. Few cash crops could grow in such harsh conditions. It would have to be heavily subsidised.
https://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom ... liland.htm

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hans ... bill[quote] In 1958, a friend of mine, eminent in the Colonial Service of British Somaliland, was greatly concerned at the extreme slowness and at the way in which the British Government were dragging their feet and declining to say whether they would allow British Somaliland to join the former Italian Somaliland in a joint independent territory. Therefore, in order to discover what the obstacles were, he made approaches to the Foreign Office and to the American Embassy. At the Foreign Office they said: "The joining of British Somaliland to Italian Somaliland in one territory is regarded as a hostile act by the Emperor of Ethiopia.

That is the obstacle." When he consulted his opposite number, who was also his friend, a man of substance in the American Embassy in London, the American replied to him: "In the event of conflict between your Somalis, and their undoubted rights on moral grounds, and the claim of Ethiopia, my Government will on international grounds always support Ethiopia." That was said, I presume, before President Kennedy. [/quote]

[X.Playa]

somalia borders is reconized by all UN states

somalia has border with Djibouti ethiopia and kenya, good luck trying to alter international law without uncle sams full military and diplomatic backing

the reason british somaliland joined italian somalia was because somaliland was never a viable state(said the british)
and the ethiopians had expansionistic ambitions towards berbera, hence why darood clans in british somaliland did fear ethiopia but the isaaq run to somalia out of fear that their territories might be included in recent acquired ogaden by the ethiopians


we rather have land swap with ethiopia then give isaaq unjustifiable land of other somali clans

abiye knows that and ethiopians know that, its a matter of time before ethiopian negotate to permenent settlement on the somali ethiopian land dispute (land for sea access)

First of all there was no country named Somalia, so use the proper name the Somali Republic. Your second point about SL been not viable, I'd love to see where is your sources for that. The rest of the piece is meaningless.

read my old thread i lost some of the sources were the colonial office made it clear british somaliland is not a viable state without massive aid and they only colonised it to feed aden (infact the british were happy to get rid of somaliland)

why isaaq ran to southern somalia why

The land was too wild and too poor quality to yield much economically. Few cash crops could grow in such harsh conditions. It would have to be heavily subsidised.
https://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom ... liland.htm

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hans ... bill[quote] In 1958, a friend of mine, eminent in the Colonial Service of British Somaliland, was greatly concerned at the extreme slowness and at the way in which the British Government were dragging their feet and declining to say whether they would allow British Somaliland to join the former Italian Somaliland in a joint independent territory. Therefore, in order to discover what the obstacles were, he made approaches to the Foreign Office and to the American Embassy. At the Foreign Office they said: "The joining of British Somaliland to Italian Somaliland in one territory is regarded as a hostile act by the Emperor of Ethiopia.

That is the obstacle." When he consulted his opposite number, who was also his friend, a man of substance in the American Embassy in London, the American replied to him: "In the event of conflict between your Somalis, and their undoubted rights on moral grounds, and the claim of Ethiopia, my Government will on international grounds always support Ethiopia." That was said, I presume, before President Kennedy.

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You claimed that the British conclude that Somaliland was not viable as a country . I asked you for refernces knowing fully well that you can't produce one , since no such a thing took place . Now that you couldn't produce it , you instead posted something i didn't ask for , nor care much about.

[Nubis]

Great

[Togdeer]

Somaliland is a reality.
The world is getting fed up with spoon feeding somalia. Now their are nationalist leaders sweeping across the world, who are in favour of somaliland. Somalia is on its last legs its not long till it gets abandoned.

[DayrBare]

somalia borders is reconized by all UN states

somalia has border with Djibouti ethiopia and kenya, good luck trying to alter international law without uncle sams full military and diplomatic backing

the reason british somaliland joined italian somalia was because somaliland was never a viable state(said the british)
and the ethiopians had expansionistic ambitions towards berbera, hence why darood clans in british somaliland did fear ethiopia but the isaaq run to somalia out of fear that their territories might be included in recent acquired ogaden by the ethiopians


we rather have land swap with ethiopia then give isaaq unjustifiable land of other somali clans

abiye knows that and ethiopians know that, its a matter of time before ethiopian negotate to permenent settlement on the somali ethiopian land dispute (land for sea access)

First of all there was no country named Somalia, so use the proper name the Somali Republic. Your second point about SL been not viable, I'd love to see where is your sources for that. The rest of the piece is meaningless.

Presenting evidence is not a Daarood strong point, their main weapon is spreading propaganda but their propaganda is easily debunked, its like a shooting fish in a barrel.

[DayrBare]

There are many reasons why SL is getting more attention these days the first has to do wih 1- the collapse of the habashi regime that was seen as a threat by the arabs because of their mother egypt therefore, stronger Somalia to counterweight Ethiopia is not now important for egypt.
2- after abit isolation, SL has played the dir card to attract the ruling oromo who see the dir as the gate for integration with somalis via those who have double somali and oromo identity. Dir have now the federal minister, the chairman of the ruling part of the somali region and the speaker that's huge influence however this does not include Djibouti who benefited the most under the habasha hegemony of the horn and the absence of Eritrea . In short the oromo theorists of the new regime like jawaar call for special relationship with SL bc of the oromo presence in there and not being targeted.
3.as Islamists backed by qatar and Turkey dominate Mogadishu, Somaliland will be linking berbera to mossawa and Suez to protect the arab interests and security and trade
4-the appearance of a very weak new somali Govt and the advance of stroger al shabaab on the capital peripheries wich kills the hope of a stable south hence they have to deal with the north where daesh or al Qaeda are not operating and here there is a possibility of israel joining the arabs in this red sea strategy against the Turkish, iran, daesh and al qaida.
5-this Govt destabilizing the federal states and finishing their foreign contacts have opened more doors for SL as some non federal independent entity. The UAE is moving the talks file from Turkey to Addis aba in order to give SL more legal bases for foreign dealings. Abiy is responsible to put pressure under the the somali govt to sing such dangerous articles(quasi-independent status wich lead to the south Sudan scenario from within sudan) This is why djibouti president was advising in mogadishu against moving the talks to addis Ababa to keep his Dir portion in the 4.5 system but his visit has back fired Mogadishu as UAE sent eritrea to SL!
Forget about ethiopia and Eritrea helping army with this Govt!
5. This govt clashing with the UKs commonwealth interests and expelling a pro uk UN envoy this why the secretary state for defence visited somaliland and kenya instead of Mogadishu. This means the uk who was sponsoring the talks since the new deal in order to establish a pro commonwealth Somalia is now interested only in Somaliland and supports the UAE presence in berbera and aden

Garguurte was pro Turkey he wasnt pro qatar he was balancing his gulf policies andwas letting the UAE operate in PL and Mogadishu. He only just refused to kick out Turkey. On the other hand this Govt is under the control of Qatar thanks to fahad yasin!

Kenya is threatening to recognize SL. Sl envoy to Addis was present in the meeting uhuru had with abiy ahmed. If kenya ever recognizes SL in order to weaken the south and invade its coast then anti Turkey arab regimes like Egypt,UAE and Syria, KSA will recognize SL. Then will be followed by Eritrea, Ethiopia and the west.







Warning:no trolls and clan bashing from those with insecurities only share your political opinions without destroying my thread. I havnt invested f-king time in here for your cabaad.

Two things here

Firstly, mobilizing and using the Dir card was a great strategy. Its a game changer at the local and regional level. At local level Isaaq found a way to silence any Gadabursi dissent by playing the Dir card. Secondly, it aids the Somalilnd cause to have more Somalis who are sympathetic to your cause.

Secondly, the somaliwayn dream is coming to an end. It looks like the the Darood manipulation of hawiye into opposing Somalilnd is wearing off. Hawiye is beginning to understand that they are being used for something that will never materialize while the person who was using them is himself the catalyst of never attaining that dream by bringing federalism into the country.
Waxaygana gaar ayaan uleeyahay, waxaagana waan kula leeyahay, xagee laga dheelaa.

Thirdly, Farmajo's incompetence turns off any one who may thought there will finally be a government in the south capable of securing the security of Muqdisho.