Cross roads for somaliland

[MajorIgaare]

We're reaching a cross roads in Somaliland the Somalia saga. Somaliland has 3 options in the coming few years. Either a complete military strike on puntland and direct faragelin in the next presidential election to bring a favourable candidate that will negotiate the divorce. We would need to completely squeeze the majeerteen though and break them down so they will advocate for this to stop the blood bath and occupation.

The second option is to all together forget somaliland and consolidate power with hagites in the South. Bringing the capital to hargeisa so we cannot be isolated from power and it would be easy to conduct military coups.

The third option is to slowly wither away and end up like the kurdistan region of Iraq. This is out of the question. This position is allowing the daroodists to use somalinimo awr kacsi which they have no business using. Sometimes I feel like planting the blue flag bringing back the 8 gobols and then saying now what to darood. They will start screaming. Then to chop them down and say somalidiid

[Khalid Ali]

Somalia will not form a threat to Somaliland in the next coming decades. It exactly where it was during sh dalxiis term security wise and politically shabaab threat. Somaliland should always back a habargedr leader in the south because it's only clan that fought against the daarood openly. And they have the least animosity towards Isaaq and Somaliland. Let me tell you something about daarood or mj. They will keep their position they remain our bufferzone we have the power to run them over if there is power in xamar worth alliying with don't don't fooled by the fake diplomatic 'recognition of the Amisom bunker. These lunatics still remain an African union protectorate.

[theyuusuf143]

It's simple. We should just keep intervening Somalia. Politically and and take over it's most important political sectors with our own mercenaries or people from our friendly clans.

We should test how far we can reach this election and allocate small budget to secure the votes of at least 60+ Dir MPs for any hawiye candidate who is willing to appoint Dir prime minister , and who is willing to cooperate with us . Once we sideline the daroods we will have less threats from somalia.

The key to our success is to take care our own isaaqs in the parliament and use them. those who don't work with us should be killed immediately . So that we can fill their positions with highly qualified ones . Somalia is not a big threat to us , it depends on who is in power . We should always pick the right person , and prevent the wrong one by hook or crook , using simple tools like money and tribalism alliance . We have both leverages.

[original dervish]

I think we can all agree sl needs to formulate a new strategy.

The marshalling of the Dir vote can be a game changer.
Personally I'd like to see a new North/South power sharing agreement.

[original dervish]

What about your man Xplaya......he bitches about us day and night.

[mahoka]

What about your man Xplaya......he bitches about us day and night.

Xplaya comes with the facts which is why you hate him

[MajorIgaare]

Somalia will not form a threat to Somaliland in the next coming decades. It exactly where it was during sh dalxiis term security wise and politically shabaab threat. Somaliland should always back a habargedr leader in the south because it's only clan that fought against the daarood openly. And they have the least animosity towards Isaaq and Somaliland. Let me tell you something about daarood or mj. They will keep their position they remain our bufferzone we have the power to run them over if there is power in xamar worth alliying with don't don't fooled by the fake diplomatic 'recognition of the Amisom bunker. These lunatics still remain an African union protectorate.

Don't be naive this is the reason we got finessed in the 1960s. The reason why we have control over non isaaq land is because we have the economic monopoly in the North. We have berbera port and the largest population to collect tax from so we can fund war for longer periods of time. We don't want to get into a situation were the economics situation in the South gets better and we are still isolated from foriegn direct investment. We cannot drill our oil. We have to take shit port deals because of the leverage companies have over us because of Somalia and darood will use the somalinimo awr kacsi to take money from the South to fund war in the North. Gadabursi will also go against us if they see the balance of power change and a chink in our armour. The only reason these clans accepted somaliland was because we are much more powerful than them and our ally general caydiid was consolidating power in the South brutally so they knew either way they will come under our rule. We had a solid North south anchor.

Simply what we have to do now is make Somalia unbearable for darood and when I say that I don't mean genocide them or take their rights but to darood not ruling is unbearable. In lo taliyo ma ogola.

We have to first open up talks with hawiye even though Farmajo is president and totally delegitamise him. Then open talks with raxanweyn and appeal to their community by bringing robow into the fold and promising the folding of the Jubaland maamul.

We have to propose a North South federation with the 8 provinces of 1960. This will make xawaadle happy as they will have their gobol back and it will also make abgaal happy as they will have the old banadir gobol back it will also make raxanweyn happy as they will take gedo and habar gidir will take galckacyo. we have to make a political jeegan between bimaal gaaljecel jareer bajuni and raxanweyn in the jubas to make darood persona non grata in the region. We need to bring the capital to hargeisa and bring an extremist hagite as prime minister. We also need to take 60 seats on the parliment till a census count can be held and all degmo are divided on population. All we need to do is get the parties on board and declare hargeisa the seat of government in Somalia make a parliment and the international community take the recognition from Farmajo and bring it north. All the allies that they brag about like turkey will say by to Farmajo we'll just kick out the UAE and give them a base in berbera.

Anyways the coming 2 years is the end of the leverage we will have on Somalia and our power will slowly dwindle if we don't take control of the state. I'm not for separation or for union I'm very fluid I'm for the interests of isaaq. Somaliland in its current form cannot work it has failed we won't get recognition unless we force it from the South.

[original dervish]

Your strategy may fly in your mind but it has so many holes it isn't worth mentioning.

The only thing I agree with you is that sl cannot continue along the same futile path for another 30 years.

There is a desperate need for new thinking and policies.
You should try working with Darood instead of fantasizing about our untimely femise.

[MajorIgaare]

Lmao there are no holes. We will unite habar gidir by giving ceyr the prime minister. Sacad the governorship of mudug and galgaduud with a galckacyo as the capital and saleeban a powerful wasir. We will give abgaal the whole x banadir strong wasir and janamka policeka divided through there subclans. We will give raxanweyn the parliament which they already have promise of release of robow, promise of gedo. We will give the disenfranchised clans juboyinka. How many people will we get out of Al shabaab this way. We can easily pass this through the parliament and easily make this happen on the ground. The only resistance will be majeerteen the darood crumbs live in small pockets of Somalia. Majeerteen will be isolated north mudug will be taken by military force then we'll divide and conquer them.

The gloves are off now I'm having a chat will faisal ali waraabe in a few days. We'll give the leadership of isaaq to HY to create isaaq unity. We'll create two political blocs of hawiye. The real hawiye of of habar gidir abgaal and murursade. And the samaale bloc of gaaljecel xawadle degodi shikhaal and empower both groups. We'll consolidate power in the South. One thing darood were right about unilateral succession without gaining power in the South is unrealistic however. Inside the political sphere of Somalia we can do whatever we want. You will see isaaq using state power for the first time.

[Ben Dover]

Its funny how some folk are wet dreaming about the doom in Somaliland. The same people have been repeating these tired lines since early 2000s, and expect us to continue taking them seriously.

Answer me this..

Was there ever a time where Somaliland was stronger? Militarily, diplomatically, economically?

The facts that no one can dispute are as follows:

- Somaliland's foreign diplomacy and profile has never been higher. Foreign countries are openly disregarding Mogadishu's delusional brays, cutting deals with Somaliland against their will, offering the same Presidential protocol to our leader as that given to Mogadishu's mayor..etc.

Just a few months ago, Mogadishu was crying about UK Defence Secretary arriving in Hargeisa from South Sudan, completely missing Mogadishu to go to Nairobi. Eritrean delegation..etc.

- Our military is at its strongest, we have just celebrated the anniversary of Tukaraq operations. We've not lost an inch of land to anyone.

- Our economy performing better than any other point in our history, Government's budget increasing year on year, Berbera port development plan coming along well..etc.

Meanwhile our enemies are at the weakest they've ever been. Boon farmajo is gasping for air, completely on the ropes with the people losing complete faith in his administration. Al Shabab gaining strength and mounting more pressure on him by the day. Hawiye waking up to the absurd situation of the losers of the civil war being treated as equals.

Our qurjiile are still barking like they were always barking, hungry, thirsty, and angry

Puntland is struggling to even pay its soldiers on time. Their port has little activity. They've accepted the new status quo with regards to Tukaraq and are not a threat.

Sure, there are things we can work on, but to claim Somaliland is doing worse than it did in the past is borderline insanity.

[original dervish]

Your own iidoor brethren started this thread and is the main poster.


The other threads about sl failure have been created by yet more iidoor.

There are hardly and noble daroods contributing to these iidoor threads, yet you feel the need to spout off about us.

[MajorIgaare]

Bro it's been almost thirty years. The international community might send a minister or an ambassador once in a while but they will never recognise us unless we force Mogadishu to recognise us first. There has to be a proactive stance. The paradigms shift. Somalia is at a stage now were they're saying we'll give you our oil just stabalise us. It won't be a failed state forever and even if it is, that is of no interest to us as we'll be poor isolated and Somalia will be poor and failed and the people on the ground will be suffering. There is no way we can continue on this trajectory. The Somali Republic isaaq and hawiye bringing there tables together. Why should we be like the kurdistan region while the real kurds are sitting in the seat cumar arta qalib vacated in 1993.

We have to create a favourable constituion move the capital to hargeisa so we can easily conduct coups if things out against our interests and drum up irirsim.

There's no such thing as somalinimo and democracy. The future Somalia is heading to authoritarianism. Coups, counter coups, assassinations. Dominance over state assets. We were naive last time. Now we are in a perfect position to strike. The 30 years we have left Somalia will give us a lot of breathing space of staying in power which will be more than long enough to consolidate power. If isaaq and hawiye are on board and we give Ethiopia port access there is also no chance of rebel groups. You strike iron when it is hot. This is our time

[original dervish]

The sad thing is your plan could have worked perfectly 10-15 years ago......it would have been a piece of cake to take over.

However, your not blessed with strategic thinkers....jyst emotional khaat addicts.

I'm afraid to tell you....that ship sailed a long time ago buddy.

[AbdiWahab252]

Major Igaare shares the wisdom of his namesake. MashAllah

[MajorIgaare]

The sad thing is your plan could have worked perfectly 10-15 years ago......it would have been a piece of cake to take over.

However, your not blessed with strategic thinkers....jyst emotional khaat addicts.

I'm afraid to tell you....that ship sailed a long time ago buddy.

The ship never sailed we have just strengthened and consolidated the power of the somaliland. Hawiye are furious due to Farmajo and abdilahi yusuf so you won't even be able to use somalinimo when you're sidelined. This is the most powerful alliance with a strong North South anchor. Mogadishu will be returned to the Pearl of the Indian ocean. Trade routes from southern Ethiopia will be opened up mombasa port is going to become persona non grata and we will use oil revenue to build a transshipment port for trade going from the India China around the South Africa trade route. Mogadishu will be calaforina, berbera will be new York hargeisa will be Washington dc, majeertenia will be arazona and nabraska and those types of places . We will make darood hate the blue flag.