BREAKING: Somalia very close to debt clearance

[AbdiWahab252]

Murax

I agree with your post except the whole no opposition in MSB. There was a peaceful opposition group called Manifesto who called on MSB to step down and get into talks with the rebels. His response was to lock them up.

When you reject and arrest a civil opposition group, you show that the gun is the only way to make a change.


On the debt issue, I am supportive if there are strict oversight and controls to minimize corruption. In this case, I believe this government will face more scrutiny than the last government to get these loans, MSbs.

[Khalid Ali]

Murax that's why there should be political parties Somalia needs at least 5 political party one religious party and 4 normal clan parties. If shabaab wants to be defeated. NN is one party sh sharif has his own party two. Afweyne was a dictator he would have never left with out armed conflict he would have crowned his son or something. If SNM and USC took him down. Dictators either die in office or are removed by power especially in africa. They don't negotiate or concede or do reform.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Murax that's why there should be political parties Somalia needs at least 5 political party one religious party and 4 normal clan parties. If shabaab wants to be defeated. NN is one party sh sharif has his own party two. Afweyne was a dictator he would have never left with out armed conflict he would have crowned his son or something. If SNM and USC took him down. Dictators either die in office or are removed by power especially in africa. They don't negotiate or concede or do reform.

I never understood why Habar Awal didn't take Mogadishu and become president???

[Khalid Ali]

A country of our own is much more sweeter building a country rebuilding it was much more worth it. If our policy was to install a president we had to fight hawiye rebels who were our allies. If we became the president we would have signed of Somaliland. You guys are lucky cali naafto elected him self as president.

[Nomand]

Snm was all the way up north, between them and mogadishu was the ssdf and sna in caabudwaaq.

Even if the snm reached Mogadishu, aided would have never agreed. Aided fought to be the president, he would not give that away to the snm he even fought ali mahdi for the presidency.

What most fail to understand is that each faction was only united to overthrow the government, when that was accomplished, each faction leader wanted to become the president.

If aided only wanted to overthrow siyad barre then he should have accepted ali mahdi as the president of somalia. And the civil war would have only lasted 1 year not 30.

This was never about siyad barre, this was about power.

[Khalid Ali]

Why should aidieed accept ali mahdi. Caydiid did most of the fighting in the South,, when the habargedr started defecting from the sna in big numbers that's when the big cracks were happening at the sna. Aideed visited us in baligubadle and we helped him with money wapeons and allot of sna hg baloogu daray and we had a USC SNM agreement to rotate leadership. We would have not mind an aideed president a full confederacy North South deal was on the table in 1990. Former president siillaanyo drafted him self.

Ssdf was non existed they totally surrendered in 1984

Of course it was power would afweyne just leave with out with out firing a gunshot.

[Murax]

Abdiwahab252, Khalid Ali,

If SNM, USC etc agreed to share power I as a Marexaan, Darood would prefer that outcome if it meant we’d have a Nation today that was viable. They didn’t agree to share power for insert your reason (Greed, Power, etc)


So the only objective achieved from the rebellion was ‘Everybody go back to his home region’. This is the same rinse and repeat strategy that is done with every Government, and WE collectively are all responsible for that.

[Nomand]

president siyad barre left mogadishu in a state which was intact, he left a mogadishu where the buildings and infrastructure was all intact. it was the war between ali mahdi and aideed which destroyed mogadishu.

even if president siyad barre left in 1988, there would be a war between each faction on who becomes the next president. there was never a united rebel group. we never had a paul kegame figure head as a rebel.

aideed fighting against ali mahdi shows you that is was never about the siyad barre government so called oppression, if aideed was just fighting against oppression then his goal would have been achieved with the exit of president siyad barre, at that moment aideed should have hanged up his rifle and become a citizen.

[Murax]

president siyad barre left mogadishu in a state which was intact, he left a mogadishu where the buildings and infrastructure was all intact. it

This is a fact but people will be contrarians and deny it. Problem with Somalis is accountability, ownership of responsibility is completely absent. Whatever MSB AUN was in your opinion he was gone, defeated and infrastructure, institutions intact. Tbere was an opportunity.

[Khalid Ali]

Nomand this what I have been telling you siyad barre would have never left power if there was no war. The man was the biggest human rights abuser dictators don't leave power. Surely he left Mogadishu and the govt building intact. But state institutions and nepotosim favoritism had destroyed the army. The civil servants every one either fled to Kenya Ethiopia or qurbaha through out the late 80s. Paul kagame was a tutsi million tutsis were murderd he reconciled the country but it was not very easy. It took allot of efforts. But the tutsis won the war against the hutus no more revenge killings ever. This never happened in Somalia and it will never happened especially koonfurians live a lie they say we go to different cities dibuheshiisin but they won't mean it. By the way caydiid wasn't wrong in the rejection of cali mahdi because cali mahdi yaa baas eeh soo doortay not SNM not USC united and not spm.

[DalJecel60]

Then you know they're a million miles from defeating AS.
The political class is a joke....90% of them wouldn't be able to get a cleaning job or loan in the west.

You should watch the video of how the Tamil Tigers were defeated.

These mfs were once on a par with govt forces....they even had planes.

However, the govt slowly reduced the area where they could operate.....maximum pressure wad applied continuously until they had them cornered.

Then they were totally anihilated.

Well that’s why you have to start somewhere. The popular sentiment I see around Somalis is either I will be 100% in or will work overtime to try to destroy something. Take the Gov of MSB AUN. Were things Governance wise falling off the rails late ‘80s onwards? You bet. Was any effort put in, forming a real robust opposition with a vision and consensus from Somalis? Hell no, it was we’ll destroy it then F it chaos.

Take N&N. These mucaarad politicians I don’t see any sort of strategizing, alternate vision, real plan other then we’ll try to take down this Government before 2021. First of all they won’t but thats not the actual problem. The problem is instead of either assisting the Gov, or spending time planning a real vision for next elections 2021, you spend all of it whining and moaning. Of a new Gov comes 2021 they start over, then the same exact shyt happens again another 5 years.

You might ask how does all of this relate to the discussion? Because this crab bucket mentality by everybody is what keeps all hands on deck from tackling the major goals i.e, tackling Al Shaydaan, debt relief, development, etc

I agree with you that the Opposition to N&N is dumb

Either bring something alternative with roadmaps, visions, methods and so-on instead of just tryna destroy what little progress that has been made.

Supporting N&N doesnt make you Wadani, being a Mucaarad doesnt mean u cant be a Wadani.
But being a Wadani means you put your country before any Clan Alliance.

N&N has been the best Government weve had since the Liberation of the Capital , they have a good foreign policy and a even better development plan. They just need to change the iron fist theyre using to deal with regional entitys.

[Khalid Ali]

NN is centralist they are opposed to federalism they want a decentralised state its not a secret.

[Murax]

“Supporting N&N doesnt make you Wadani, being a Mucaarad doesnt mean u cant be a Wadani.
But being a Wadani means you put your country before any Clan Alliance.“


Daljecel60,

Thanks for understanding my point. For goodness sakes 2021 is literally 1 year away. The mucaarad, Cabdishakur, Culusow, Shariif, Guleed, Sakiin, Deni are not united on anything, not one thing other then they want Farmaajo gone. Assuming they have a real detailed plan for how they want to Govern which I highly doubt, it is not a plan they all agree on. Farmaajo leaves tomorrow they will all mucaarad each other watch.

[Nomand]

president siyad barre left mogadishu in a state which was intact, he left a mogadishu where the buildings and infrastructure was all intact. it

This is a fact but people will be contrarians and deny it. Problem with Somalis is accountability, ownership of responsibility is completely absent. Whatever MSB AUN was in your opinion he was gone, defeated and infrastructure, institutions intact. Tbere was an opportunity.

somalis love alternative facts, it like this Django kid talking about n&n selling the seas while madoobe has welcomed sheikh sharif and abdirahman abdishakur the two people who literally signed the somali sea to kenya and also welcomed ducaale a man who put a mooshin in kenyan parliament to forcefully take somali sea.

you really cant make this stuff up.

[Nomand]

Nomand this what I have been telling you siyad barre would have never left power if there was no war. The man was the biggest human rights abuser dictators don't leave power. Surely he left Mogadishu and the govt building intact. But state institutions and nepotosim favoritism had destroyed the army. The civil servants every one either fled to Kenya Ethiopia or qurbaha through out the late 80s. Paul kagame was a tutsi million tutsis were murderd he reconciled the country but it was not very easy. It took allot of efforts. But the tutsis won the war against the hutus no more revenge killings ever. This never happened in Somalia and it will never happened especially koonfurians live a lie they say we go to different cities dibuheshiisin but they won't mean it. By the way caydiid wasn't wrong in the rejection of cali mahdi because cali mahdi yaa baas eeh soo doortay not SNM not USC united and not spm.

my point is there should have never been snm, spm, usc,rra and ssdf there should be one rebel group with one agenda and one leader. If the government left without a single shot being fired nothing would have changed we would still be in the situation we are in today.

for example look at SNM, USC and SPM. USC took over the capital without consulting SNM or SPM, two USC leaders declared themselves the president of Somalia, this has already alienated snm,spm,rra and ssdf, why fight against siyad barre then be totally ignored by USC.

Tuur and Omar jees both were back stabbed.

Name me one country where there was 5 different rebel groups which has succesfully overthrown a government then created a successfull regime?

but we have many examples throughout history of a single united rebel that fought and defeated a regime then replaced with a better one.