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Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby GeoSeven » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:22 pm

Well, a start. From what I've observed, 80% of public servants in Somalia are merely waiting for an opportunity to grace the coffers. Moral corruption on a scale that would scar the most veteran conformist.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:28 pm

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When there is a firing squad or hard labor for corruption charges depending on severity it will change the equilibrium?

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby IRONm@N » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:45 pm

As I said in the other post

At a time the Somali healthcare need all the money and help they need to upgrade and stockpile on masks, PPE and test kits these N&N ministries are diverting to their personal use and scams like Forex.
How can one person divert all these money without the approval of the top health minister and the finance ministry and others?

And NISA is wasting resources and time on investigating on journalists like Harun Maruf because of Twitter posts

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby dalalos101 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:19 pm

Bro I don't want you to think I am disagreeing with you or anything, I am happy the guy was caught, and I want further investigations to be carried out.

As for these figures, it seems exaggerated hence why I asked you to provide evidence instead of guesstimate, Somalis love to sensationalize things and make their stories have more impact, , when you say tens of millions LMAO you are clearly implying a huge sum, and a simple questioning made you reduce it to 20 million a far less extraordinary figure, but even that figure is too high, I know in the last 3 years we have made huge improvement but 20M is around 6% of the national budget. what makes you think that is even remotely close to what this guy stole from the ministry of health. :lol:
Sxb, you're attempting to whitewash & minimize the corruption that's endemic within Somalia's politicians. As I've mentioned before, it's institutionalized in the core of politicians, and can't be eradicated. The current gov might look a bit refined on the surface, but isn't different. I understand the gov is swimming in the swamps, and that's why I haven't blamed it for corruption.
I am just questioning the figure you threw out there, everyone knows tens of millions isn't something that can be easily embezzled despite all the corruption, anyway the Ministry of Health budget is around 7 million :?

stop throwing around figures and speculations that even I as a layman can easily debunk, isku xishood niyow, beenta inee dambi tahay sooma ogid ?

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby dalalos101 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:26 pm

Dalalos

If I was President it would be a public trial with asset seizure and time in penal colony breaking rocks. Corruption kills!
Corruption exist everywhere, even the most developed countries suffer from it, however we are improving by leaps and bounds, with rigorous audits, regulations, check and balances we can not only expose the corruption but we can hold the government employees accountable in the rule of law.

Do you know under N&N not only has corruption become extremely hard, it has been reduced, and our budget keep increasing exponentially. From just pure economic side N&N is a God sent.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby paperino » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:46 pm

I am just questioning the figure you threw out there, everyone knows tens of millions isn't something that can be easily embezzled despite all the corruption, anyway the Ministry of Health budget is around 7 million :?

stop throwing around figures and speculations that even I as a layman can easily debunk, isku xishood niyow, beenta inee dambi tahay sooma ogid ?
Obviously, you're confusing the budget with donations. 7 million is probably for the payroll of the ministry, as it cannot be sufficient for the healthcare of a city with a population of few millions. The embezzled funds were donated by foreign agencies & friendly countries, earmarked for healthcare projects including preventing & fighting coronavirus. Do some homework.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby Cunaaye25 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:17 pm

Geoseven

Absolutely spot on, been ma' aadan sheegin. They are all waiting for that opportunity, scary stuff.
It's sad how low we have fallen morally as a society and corruption is normalised accepted.

Abdiwahab suggested, make an examplery and punish severely those who are caught, but the gov were power less to carry the execution of siraaj killer, because the killer came from a prominent clan. The clan demonstrated, their elders and MP's came out to support him.

It will take time to reform the whole society.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby dalalos101 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:28 pm

I am just questioning the figure you threw out there, everyone knows tens of millions isn't something that can be easily embezzled despite all the corruption, anyway the Ministry of Health budget is around 7 million :?

stop throwing around figures and speculations that even I as a layman can easily debunk, isku xishood niyow, beenta inee dambi tahay sooma ogid ?
Obviously, you're confusing the budget with donations. 7 million is probably for the payroll of the ministry, as it cannot be sufficient for the healthcare of a city with a population of few millions. The embezzled funds were donated by foreign agencies & friendly countries, earmarked for healthcare projects including preventing & fighting coronavirus. Do some homework.
National budget is made up of loans, donations and tax revenue, madax adeega somalida waa lagu yaqaane, waryaa don't act like an economics professor when you can barely tie your shoe laces.
The budget for Health ministry is 7 million, that includes payroll yes, which means the embezzled funds is going to be far less than the 7 million. Basically your initial extraordinary figure of tens of millions based on nothing keep going down, and you are too hard headed to accept the facts I present to you, this is numbers from the government website.

I am anti-corruption, those money stolen in Mogadishu is why Gedo now does not have any quarintine facilities or materials to deal with Covid-19 even though it is high risk zone that borders two foreign nations.

N&N is legit increased the budget of the health ministry by 600% in 1 year, and we have reduced corruption which was on a unfathomable scale during Xassan Sh regime, and we are continuing to catch and expose corrupt government workers.

i am done, saxib, provide evidence for your outlandish "tens of millions" figure or stay quite. We don't need some Reer Miyi talking out of his ass.

Corruption is going down, but it will take time, we can't just act like a dictator and start locking people up and killing them, it will send us back into civil war era, we are taking it a step at a time, replacing old heads with new generation who have more interest in keeping government institution clean of corruption.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby paperino » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:00 pm

National budget is made up of loans, donations and tax revenue, madax adeega somalida waa lagu yaqaane, waryaa don't act like an economics professor when you can barely tie your shoe laces.
The budget for Health ministry is 7 million, that includes payroll yes, which means the embezzled funds is going to be far less than the 7 million. Basically your initial extraordinary figure of tens of millions based on nothing keep going down, and you are too hard headed to accept the facts I present to you, this is numbers from the government website.

I am anti-corruption, those money stolen in Mogadishu is why Gedo now does not have any quarintine facilities or materials to deal with Covid-19 even though it is high risk zone that borders two foreign nations.

N&N is legit increased the budget of the health ministry by 600% in 1 year, and we have reduced corruption which was on a unfathomable scale during Xassan Sh regime, and we are continuing to catch and expose corrupt government workers.

i am done, saxib, provide evidence for your outlandish "tens of millions" figure or stay quite. We don't need some Reer Miyi talking out of his ass.

Corruption is going down, but it will take time, we can't just act like a dictator and start locking people up and killing them, it will send us back into civil war era, we are taking it a step at a time, replacing old heads with new generation who have more interest in keeping government institution clean of corruption.
7 out of the 460 million budget translates to about 1.5%. A chump change for such a critical ministry that serves millions of citizens. The 2020 budget was approved at the end of 2019 when there was no coronovirus, the embezzled funds were donated & earmarked for fighting coronavirus in 2020. Make sense.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:40 pm

1.5% expenditure on health is appalling Banana Republic management

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby dalalos101 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:33 pm

National budget is made up of loans, donations and tax revenue, madax adeega somalida waa lagu yaqaane, waryaa don't act like an economics professor when you can barely tie your shoe laces.
The budget for Health ministry is 7 million, that includes payroll yes, which means the embezzled funds is going to be far less than the 7 million. Basically your initial extraordinary figure of tens of millions based on nothing keep going down, and you are too hard headed to accept the facts I present to you, this is numbers from the government website.

I am anti-corruption, those money stolen in Mogadishu is why Gedo now does not have any quarintine facilities or materials to deal with Covid-19 even though it is high risk zone that borders two foreign nations.

N&N is legit increased the budget of the health ministry by 600% in 1 year, and we have reduced corruption which was on a unfathomable scale during Xassan Sh regime, and we are continuing to catch and expose corrupt government workers.

i am done, saxib, provide evidence for your outlandish "tens of millions" figure or stay quite. We don't need some Reer Miyi talking out of his ass.

Corruption is going down, but it will take time, we can't just act like a dictator and start locking people up and killing them, it will send us back into civil war era, we are taking it a step at a time, replacing old heads with new generation who have more interest in keeping government institution clean of corruption.
7 out of the 460 million budget translates to about 1.5%. A chump change for such a critical ministry that serves millions of citizens. The 2020 budget was approved at the end of 2019 when there was no coronovirus, the embezzled funds were donated & earmarked for fighting coronavirus in 2020. Make sense.
Yeah I agree, but it is going to be relative to that 2019 budget unless SFG some how managed to increase the budget drastically due to Corona virus.
Haha yeh it is pathetic how under funded the Health ministry is, especially when it is one of the crucial sectors, the parliament gets about 4 times the fund the health ministry gets, that is their salaries and expenditure, but do you think they will pass a bill that will reduce their numbers or their monthly pay check ? nope, thats a sure way to get impeached by them. :lol:

Also I think N&N has done a good job increased the budget from 1 million to 7 million during their time, its still not much, but inshallah will only increase.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby paperino » Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:30 am

1.5% expenditure on health is appalling Banana Republic management
I wonder what percentage of the budget reaches or helps those in dire need like the internally displaced.

Minor update:

Maxamuud Maxamed Buule has admitted the involvement of senior officials. And as I've mentioned before, not much would come from the investigation, and we should expect the release of Mr. Buule:
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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby paperino » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:59 pm

This recent video illustrates the scale of corruption, in which drivers complain about the sorry conditions of main streets. The drivers contend eventhough they pay and have paid taxes for years, the gov has done nothing to improve those streets that continue to get worse:


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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby GeoSeven » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:59 am

Geoseven

When there is a firing squad or hard labor for corruption charges depending on severity it will change the equilibrium?
Absolutely. Prima temere, che amare. Thirty years of chaos have unfortunately made it so.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby FarhanYare » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:16 pm

This deserves to be met with the firing squad in Indonesia . People like this, how do they reconcile their actions with the afterlife? I wonder are they banking on last minute towba on the death-bed? :eat:


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