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Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby XimanJaale » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:36 pm

Strangely, it is probably the first time I enthusiastically, even militantly back Nomand.

For context, previous views;
None of that takes away from the actual credit for security reform, financial reform, and the debt relief,etg being this government. And the next government will have these in place so they can bring JUSTICE REFORM (THE NEXT BIG REFORM WAITING IN MY OPINION---OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS ABSOLUTELY NONEXISTENT.

All of that is explained by Due Process
Sxb if you have seen me use the word equity then anyone educated in conflict resolution will immediately understand I came to the discussion with complete transparency and interest not in WIN OR LOSE but EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW.[/size]
Without DUE PROCESS, there is no justice. NONE.

This very second if someone gets into a car right here where I am and they are inebriated, NO COP CAN ARREST THEM WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. If arrest starts everything in criminal procedure...followed by charges are filed, then arraignment before a Magistrate/Judge, pretrial, trial, sentencing, appeal etc etc etc.

EVEN BEFORE ARREST, THERE HAS TO BE PROBABLE CAUSE.

THAT PROBABLE CAUSE HAS TO REFLECT DUE PROCESS OR EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

Even If the cop finds the most damning evidence in the course of the arrest, if it resulted from infringing on my Due Process,if he stopped me WITHOUT legitimate PROBABLE CAUSE---whatevrr found should legally be impermissible obtained through ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE. THE CASE MUST BE DISMISSED. THIS IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL APPEAL CATEGORY THROUGHOUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEMS THE WORLD OVER.

A law is a law when it is applied equally, selective law is Tyranny

The very definition of Discrimination as legal burden is explained that way


So my position is in Somalia today there are three main legal blackholes affecting justice reform

1. The nature of what do about gross human rights abuses in the civil war (aka warlords amd armed combatants)
2. The nature of financial mechanisms underpining the occurrence of the gross human rights abuses (war merchants, war profiteers, human smugglers, traffickers)
3. The nature of endemic, even SYSTEMIC, graft/corruption predicated on the theft of public handouts to Somalia's needy

With all of these, I add the caveat "allegedly'

On the first, it seems we are passive aggressively ignoring closure. Notice I am not even saying accountability. I am saying closure. It is obvious as a people we have decided not to purse the warlords as a criminal matter. That is fine with me, in fact I am of the opinion it is for the best. Well no one sat in official capacity staring directly into the eyes of the nation and has yet told us straight "this is concluded." South Africa forgave too, but south Africa bad Truth and Reconciliation process. This issue aint over aka "closed" until we have seen and heard directly a closure.

2. on the second, it doesn't seem as they are bring forgiven at all and interestingly almost all of this category is similar ignored amd undercover with the exception of the Pirates who incidentally are facing foreign courts when caught.

3. Now the last which Mr Hashi is accused of. I am not saying the man is innocent, he may be as guilty as charged---but where is the due process for graft when PUBLIC MONEY is being exchanged right this minute concerning the naming of prime minister. i mean just think about this for a second---and for those who think "well at least he has been taken" NO. NO YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVEN AT A RUDIMENTARY LEVEL WHAT LAW AND JUSTICE IS. THE TAKE AWAY IS THE INVERSE. HASHI SHOULD ACTUALLY BE FREED FROM THAT COMPULSION IF GRAFT IS HAPPENING IN THE SAME GOVERNMENT, AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS WITH IMPUNITY. THE IMPLICATION ISN'T WELL "AT LEAST SOMEONE" ---THE IMPLICATION IS THEN "NO ONE" SHOULD BE COMPELLED BY THAT TYRANNY FOR LAW WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OR SELECTIVELY APPLIED IS NO LAW, IT IS TYRANNY.

Finally, with the warlords, though we seem to have forgiven them even with or without closure, WARLORDISM HAS STOPPED. There is no place where it is accepted or is in force now let alone is a SYSTEMIC problem. Even with people like Madoobe or others..the effect some guys have is akin to warlordism BUT THEIR LEGITIMACY EMANATES FROM RECOGNIZED PARTICIPATION IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS. THE DISTINCTION IS LEGALLY BINDING.

Graft/corruption on the other hand hasn't stopped. Not only has it not stopped but it is SO SYSTEMIC, SO PERVERSE, SO IN YOUR FACE, AND SO ENTRENCHED AT THE HIGHEST TO THE LOWEST LEVEL

... ANY ATTEMPT OF THAT SAME SYSTEM TO MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE RULE OF LAW BY IMPOSING SELECTIVE COMPULSION IS BY ITS NATURE TYRANNICAL AND OPPRESSIVE.


The only reason the case of Abdullahi Hashi is even possible is because there is one other scapegoat and he just happens to have a different clan which is a mild little dressing on the selective compulsion

YAAQ SADE FUULIN LAWAA🌓

Reer Guuleed Faarax niman maaha haday Abdullahi Xaashi Daarood sow dhacsan waayaan


If Reer Guuleed Faarax can't, then Reer Faarax Ugaas

If Reer Faarax Ugaas fail, then nimanka reer Khalaf Xussein

If Khalaf Xussein fail, then nimanka Maxamed Daauud,

Then nimanka Raad-Amiir, then nimanka Gaal-Shireedle

If Gaalshireedle fails, then waa hawl SADE meel alle meeluu doonaba ha joogee🧨

EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW, NO TO SELECTIVE LAW
FOR SELECTIVE LAW IS NO LAW AT ALL BUT TYRANNY


HIS MATERNAL GRANDFATHER XAAJI MASSALE CAME TO GEDO ON HORSEBACK HARDLY STOPPING HIS GALLOP

AFTER SPITTING AT ITALIAN COLONIAL DICTATE IMPOSED THROUGH THE ONE 4X4 STONE SHED IN HOBYO THEY CALLED THE HOBYO SULTANATE WHOSE ONLY PURPOSE WAS STORING THE GUNS ITALY USED TO POSSESS THE INTERIOR

XAAJI MASSALE TOLD CALI YUUSUF KEENADIID TO STEP ASIDE WITH THE BARREL OF A STOLEN GUN

THEN HIM AND HIS BAND OF SADE SARMALEY RAIDED THE ENTIRE STOCK

SOMEN THEY THREW TO HABAR GIDIR ON THE PATH OF THEIR RUN TO MAREHAN COUNTRY WHERE XAAJI MASSALE DROPPED THE REST ON MAREHAN AND SAID

"I DON'T WANT TOEVER HEAR ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN CONVERTED EVEN IF THEY CONVERT THE WHOLE LAND"

HIM AND THE BRIGANDS THEN GOT ON THEIR HORSES AND HARDLY STOPPED EVEN FOR WATER IN THEIR GALLOP TO DIIRHARA, OR THE LARGE CAMEL GRAZING PLATEAU BETWEEN GARBAHAARAY AND LUUQ


NO BLOOD OF XAAJI MASSALE IS GOING TO BE SELECTIVELY COMPELLED IN THESE SAND DUNES OF SOMALIA,

ACCUSATION IS FAIR, BUT YOU DARN WELL GOING TO APPLY THE SAME STANDARD TO THE SAME ACCUSING SYSTEM

THE ONLY REASON IT EVEN COULD HAPPEN IS BECAUSE OF THE REER SHIIL, CABDILLE ALLAMAGAN PRESIDENT AND I THINK HE MADE A GRAVE MISTAKE ON THIS ONE WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO VILLA SOMALIA

FARMAAJO DOESN'T LIKE MAREHAN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HIM, WELL HE SHOULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MAREHAN

BECAUSE UNDER NO OTHER "LEADER" WOULD SELECTIVELY LYNCHING MAREHAN STAND

HE IS A SOMALI PRESIDENT RIGHT, NOT A MAREHAN PRESIDENT I HEARD.

WELL MAREHAN IS A SOMALI CLAN, NOT A PRESIDENT'S CLAN

AND WE DARN WELL EXPECT AT THE MINIMUM THE SAME TREATMENT AS ALL OTHER CLANS

NOT A PENNY LESS
Like you said, Farmaajo is the president of Somalia not the president of Marehan. And he did the right thing as a Somali president to lock up this thief as proven guilty by the court.

Also you don't need to tell us the family history of the prescuted man. You can have a sheikh as a father but that does not make you a sheik. You need to judge someone on individualism and their own doings.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby Voltage » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:43 pm

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby Voltage » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:47 pm

Ximan-

You gave a passive aggressive reaction to the fact I even shared my opinion.

Your response literally reflects nothing about the contents of the opinion.

I only respond out of courtesy because you quoted me. If you will quote me, you are not obligated to but I would hope I am given the same courtesy in return with a response actually directed at what I said.

Yes, I am being mildly passive aggressive myself, but how does one expect me to respond to calling on me by erasing my voice. And yes that's what you did.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby XimanJaale » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:04 pm

Ximan-

You gave a passive aggressive reaction to the fact I even shared my opinion.

Your response literally reflects nothing about the contents of the opinion.

I only respond out of courtesy because you quoted me. If you will quote me, you are not obligated to but I would hope I am given the same courtesy in return with a response actually directed at what I said.

Yes, I am being mildly passive aggressive myself, but how does one expect me to respond to calling on me by erasing my voice. And yes that's what you did.
I wasn't trying to be passive aggressive. I just skimmed read what you wrote and took out the main point of your supposed voice, (the red part of your post). Anyways I don't really know the real story behind Mr. Hashi. God knows if he is guilty or not. But if he is then he deserves to be prosecuted without the chest beating of '' he belongs to my clan and my thief should not be prosecuted, because other clans thief are not''. That should not be a setting stone.. That was just my answers to your red part of your post.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby ReturnOfMariixmaan » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:20 pm

Arrest them even if he's my adeer! Corruption kills more than anything else!!

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby zidane88 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:23 am

I wonder the shameless of S/net kids praising a "window-dressing" tactics used by NĀ£N. The amount of money defendents accused of stealing shows you the kind of tiny fish they are comparing to the big sharks thriving in Mogadisho. What's the amount $2000, are you FĀ£$Ā£ing kidding me?

In Ankara, the house prices have sky rocketed thanks to the wave of Somali corrupt officals swamping the city though, Somali gov had good relations with Turkey. Checking them out won't hurt.

My Brother, before COVID lockdown, had been buying flat in Ankara about 40K when met Somali offical looking 120K house in there.
Look no further than Mogadisho, how many illegimate businesses have cropped up last few years without checks.

Al-shabab taxing government officals, even this month, relative businesswoman of mine, who imported goods, have her goods confiscated by Al-shabab demanding taxes in Mogadisho. I said again: IN MOGADISHO. All of a sudden, certain groups here, started ulultating the tinkering and tactical brainwashs of NĀ£N. Give me a break!

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby sahal80 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:36 pm

here is the truth about Hashi case


Ninka agaasimaha wasaarada caafimaadka Xaashi waxaa xiray Khayre muddo dheer ayeey dacwadiisa soo socotay oo ay gabo gabo ahaydba isaga dad kale oo wasaaradda ka tirsan. Lacago badan ayeey lunsadeen. Hadda xukunkiisa lee ku soo aaday. Farmaajo haduu joojin lahaa ceeb wayn ayeey ku noqon lahayd iyo fadeexad wayn. qaraabadiisa marki hore Khayre ayeey ku dhaganaayeen laakiin hadda maadama uu Khayre maqanyahay waxay ku dhagan yihiin Farmaajahdooda oo ay lee yihiin sii daa ninka haduu sii daayana ceeb ayaa raaci doonto.

yacni ma ku tusinayso wax cadaalad ah oo Farmaajo sameeyay intaan ka aheen inuu ka ka cabsanayo qarxis laakin maaha nin uu asaga xiray. xukuumada kheyreaa ka masuul ahaa 100% hada waxaa biloowdey bililiqo badan iyo musuqmaasuq iyo nin jecleysi. goodax international care uu buriyay has to do with his wife not getting a training NGO project for their kids and even thats the fms job. FM cawad has employed dozens of mj and harti daarood for embassy secretaries. mahdi folks ciidagale maba xishoonayaan they acting like the place is muqaayad. bakeyle and kheyres camera man canbe playing in his office. the little good governance have gone with Kheyre. the difference is under kheyre only his jufo was benefiting like yahye hareeri now every minister and every jufo. its a bililiqo time! enjoy your 4 months mtfkrs

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby AbkoowDhiblaawe » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:59 pm

Sahal wallahi it's embarassing seeing those nimo naagood Dj subeer n dayax playing around madaxtooyada. Kindergarten standard ay noqotay meesha.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby sahal80 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:32 pm

Sahal wallahi it's embarassing seeing those nimo naagood Dj subeer n dayax playing around madaxtooyada. Kindergarten standard ay noqotay meesha.
itoobiyaanka mahdi la dhahaayo xafiiska dhan wuxuu ka dhigay muqaayad ciidagale ah wallahi billahi


you can take the villager out of the village but you cant take the village out of the villager. this reer baadiye cambe asagoo magaaloooyinka somaaliyeed ku wareegaya si uu u soo caan baxo aa kheyre qortay waa xusuustaa markii kagu daray safarkii sacuudiga asagoo hotel qatar ah misawiro ka soo diraya kkkkk

hadaan baarey misawirkii it waa qatar.



asaga waaye waxa ciyaalka meesha ku wareejinaya. kheyre waxaa moodaa Qadafi iyo Saddam oo dhacay camal markaad aragtid wuxuu umada ka haayay.
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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby Voltage » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:26 pm

Kheyre is gone. At least until this government ends. Is garasho more than that explanation is ridiculous.


As for Xaashi, what happened to him and the MINISTRY OF HEALTH is called "Covid".

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Even before his arrest, I penned a topic on the surprise once in a lifetime unluck visited upon them. This was the surprise arrest of the Financial management head within the ministry before even Xaashi as Director General was questioned.

You know what I wrote?

We know the government. We know. Even those of us who are Nabad and Nolol weren't under the illusions these offices were all of a sudden Mosques.

I said we just celebrate the fact they take maybe 20-40 cents to the $1 now instead of 95 cents to the $1.

Quite literally EVERY SINGLE. MINISTRY functioned the same way.

Xaashi and these guys just happened to be in the Ministry that become probably the most intensely audited and publicized ministry of any Somali government probably ever.

All these organizations and even foreign donors suddenly turned and EVEN wanted to temporarily sort of "take over" due to perceived technical limitations.

No Kheyre nor hebel fulaan could affect what this meant

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby nine » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:43 pm

Arrest them even if he's my adeer! Corruption kills more than anything else!!
I see this as Farmajo up to his own agenda. He knows MX will unconditionally support him (naive) so why not use Hashi?

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby paperino » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:39 am

Update:

Officials from other ministries indicted & sentenced:
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Maxkamada darajada koowaad ee gobolka Banaadir ayaa maanta toban sano oo xabsi ah iyo ganaax dhan $2,366, ku riday Agaasimihii maamulka iyo maaliyadda wasaaradda kalluumaysiga iyo kheyraadka badda ee dowladda Soomaaliya, Guuleed Maxamed Ibraahim.

Maxkamadu waxay masuulkaan ku heshay inuu lunsaday lacag dhan $137,907 waxayna amar ku bixisay inuu lacagtaas kusoo celiyo qasnada dowladda sidoo kalena waxay ka mamnuucday inuu xafiis dambe oo dowladdeed maamulo.
https://hiiraan.com/news/2020/Aug/warar ... aantaFront
https://hiiraan.com/news4/2020/Aug/1797 ... pdateFront

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby Osob101 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:47 am

you have abdishukur, sharmake and sharif walking free while they sold somali seas to Kenya. You have warlords and ex shababists in the Parliament.

MX cannot accept this crap in the name of dowladnimo when no one else follows the rules, just because Farmaajo is the president does not mean we should be judged differently to the norms of society.
Do you want me to give you a list of people who Xasan Sheikh fires and prosecuted? As long as people with your view are in majority than we will never grow out of this nightmare. Even if it was my own brothers or sisters, NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW.

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Postby Nomand » Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:21 am

you have abdishukur, sharmake and sharif walking free while they sold somali seas to Kenya. You have warlords and ex shababists in the Parliament.

MX cannot accept this crap in the name of dowladnimo when no one else follows the rules, just because Farmaajo is the president does not mean we should be judged differently to the norms of society.
Do you want me to give you a list of people who Xasan Sheikh fires and prosecuted? As long as people with your view are in majority than we will never grow out of this nightmare. Even if it was my own brothers or sisters, NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW.
yes a list would actually be beneficial.

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Re: Finance Director Of Somali Ministry Of Health Just Arrested For Corruption

Postby paperino » Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:32 am

yes a list would actually be beneficial.
Searching Google in this format:

maxkamada xukun site:hiiraan.com
maxkamada musumaasuq site:hiiraan.com
maxkamada xatooyo site:hiiraan.com

with custom years range (15/9/12-5/2/17), yields nothing interesting, and mostly cases of Shabaab kids. There were some qoraalo highly critical of corruption in HSM's administration. Perhaps others can do better than I did.


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