Need for research into 1956 and '59 elections as sham.No one voted for Abdullahi Ciise, Adan Cade, or Ali Jimcaale

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Disclaimer: A very important Somali person who has a lot of legitimacy on these things is the one who said we need to study those elections from a different vantage point.

This after I forwarded the info I came across that caused me to think something was off about those elections.

Also I formed those thoughts not even from discovery of new information; but rather just the ever increasing accessibility that allows us to hit the pause button and see patterns and links we weren't able to notice from[/size].

We can now take uncontested facts and recontextualize it due to a bigger background picture----and all of a sudden those previously contested facts sudden look...contested.

Besides everything else though, fact is, no one actually voted for them. Their races were magically, undemocratically, and oddly designed to be different to majority of races.

They were appointed, not elected.


Is there anyone who can give an illuminating justification for these men's elections in the colonial period that various disparate circumstances taken together unmistakably says "inorganic" (as in SOMEONE wanted you there.)


Also by accessibility I mean we never had Italian Somalia Trust Government records online or 11Even from couple years ago it wasn't out.

So all researchers and historians studying this would have to go to Rome just to sit on dirty dusty floors and take notes&[/color]

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Also I might as well just say of the suspicions I have Adan Cadde is probably not involved if anything happened.

Even without this, the man was already a service to a purpose.

He was quiet, boring, uncontroversial, not ideological, very unassuming, and highly cooperative. He was also not one for outlandish or public spectacles.

I was the Italians myself, I would see him as a stabilizing force myself.

Cadde was a member of the "inner circle" of Consiglio Territoriale since the beginning.

Like the Haji Hashi Jaamac Geri (Marehan, Siad Barre's father in law) and Muuse Boqor (MJ, son of Hersi Boqor), Adan was sort of an "elder statesman" or the most respected men in their tribes.

It also means he was practical and not waging false nationalism or political gimmicks.

Adan lasted throughout the 10 years because the Italians were DESPERATE to use him as the foil to Haji Mohamed Hussein.

Haji was Digil and Mirifle and might very well have become our first President. He was the first SYL chairman but went to Egypt to study. Cadde replaced him only to lose it to him after Haji did a coup against him in the party in 1958.

They all, including the Italians, fought back to remove him because he was angry as a banshee, very ideological, extremely anti-Western, and he loathed all tribalists.

Adan Cadde literally and figuratively is relavant in history as the fo to that man and most of us don't even know the name of Haji Mohamed Hussein and the alternative history we almost faced.

I will reserve judgement for the other two in this post.

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No one voted in Hiiraan for these mps

im not gonna argue with you in this time of ramada. odey kaapo qabiil dhuusamareeb ka ahaa oo la barbardhigaa SYL estsblishments.







let the evidence speak for itself




Abdullahi issa iyo groupka hiiraan markey soo baxeen talyaaniga maba joogin waxaa lagu jiray xukunkii militaryga ee ingiriiska xiligaas oo SYL noqotey xisbi siyaasadeed. xisbiyada waxaa abuuray britain. SYC waxaa la aasaasey 1943 waxay aheed urur gobonimadoon ah ooy aasaaseen koox banaadiri iyo tunni ah ooy horboodaayeen sakhaawadiin(tunni) iyo haji mohamed hussein oo ahaa cadcad aad u aaminsanaa filrada jaamacada carabta ahaana sxbka jamaal cabdinaasir ee masar xooghayahana wuxuu ahaa lamagoodle mj ah yasin haji sharmarke. xiligii ingiriiska oo soo galay 1945kii, in late 40s ayay SYL isku badashey xibiga siyaasaseed oo la aqoonsanyahay waxaa 1947kii dhintay yasin haji sharmarke oo ahaa xooghayaha SYCda waxaa dhaxley abdullahi issa oo ahaa madaxa laanta baladweyne waxaa asagana laantii ka dhaxlay adan ade iyo sh ali jimcale oo nodey xooghayaasha laanta

1947 SYC waxay isku badashey SYL under abdullahi issa waxaa meesha laga saarey banaadirigii waxaana qabsadey groupkii baladweyne. xiligii daakhiliyada ayay u codeeyeen 4 powerska oo talyaaniga soo diray(1950 to 1960)

SYL talyaaniga uma codeeyn waxay u codeysay joint adminstration oo 4 powerska ah waxay diideen in ingiriiska kaliya nalagu soo daayo lsakin taas maba aheen arin utaala SYL ee 4 powerska ayaa isu codeeynyay dhexdooda ingiriisku waxay rabeen inay taageerada SYL isticmsalaan waana waayeen.. yaa goaamiyay in eritrea loo celiyo ethiopia? 4 powerska(britain, US, France and russia" britain maahana sadexde kale ayaa talyaaniga u codeeyeen.

markii talyaaniga soo noqdeen groupkaan hiiraan waaba heesteen meesha banaadiriga oo ka xanaaqay soo noqoshadii talyaaniga waxayba markaas lahaayeen somalia league doorashadana waa qaadaceen. SYL waxay aheed xiligaas hawiye dominated koonfur-oriented party xataa isku darka waqooyiga iyo koonfurta far baa uga taagneed sida in marka hore waxbarasha la mideeye and history has proven time and time again halka GSL laga taageernaa somaliwayn iyo djibouti

"The GSL boycotted the 1958 municipal election, charging harassment from the SYL.[3] It also boycotted the later 1959 elections.[4] In 1958, Halima Godane was elected to Mogadishu's city council, representing the party.[5]

During its existence, the party enjoyed good relations with the Republican Union in French Somaliland"

SYL history
https://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2012/sept/2 ... malia.aspx

50s elections doorashada waa codeeyeen waxaana ku guuleystey xisbiga issa saas ayuu pm ku noqdey. three of the 5 cabinet members were from hiiraan one hawadle two sacad HG, one iririst dir who was allied with sh ali jimale in 1961 elections and one mj that is the fiat simali cabinet you have to ask yourself why most cabinet were representing hiiraan? it became the center of political graphics under tge SYL in late 40s(laanta baladweyne)


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=R0p ... ns&f=false

Ali jimale with the koofiyad
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4Yt ... sa&f=false

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I always knew SYL were the Italian favorites. If you gonna make this argument. Make it with facts ina adeer. You're gonna be perceived to be attacking sacred cows (founding fathers of Somalia). Piece of advice. Ramadan Mubarak anyways

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i forgot one mj minister. first somali cabinet Abdullahi isse and Haji farah omar HG muse boqor and another one mj abdulqadir juje iririst southren dir who was allied sh ali jimale. 4 of these guys were ganging up on the two mj.

yeah no one elected Abdullahi isse and adan adde and sh ali jimale. stock of photos belonging to the candidates of 1956 elections


look hiiraan had 12 mps when majeertenia had 13 and base jubba(the two juba with baardheere) had 12 and Ex Galgaduud and Mudug had 12 and banaadir with the two shabelle had 18!


GSL egyptian stooge, Hizibia mirifle Ethiopian stooge
https://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2019/sept/1 ... btTVkhKJd0

if SYL were the italian favoroties the rest were worst. SYL waxay aheed xisbi calmani/secular ah oo wadani ah in kastoo qabiil ku jiray ma ogalayn maqagac qabiil in siyaasada lagu galo. SGL were egyptian stooge. i once wrote about egypt trying to assassinate adan cade


my english was very bad back then. yes i was 16 years old in 2000 when i came to the uk i wish i came from somalia my english would gave been better i was watching arab shit all this time
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 6#p3958721

Egypt hated Somalia bc all the jewish of the world who hated the italians facists were sympathizeling with Somalia even Israel was supporting our recognition by 1950 10 years ahead before the independence

Hibzia and arabs and barawanese were against 10 years trusteeship and calling for 30 years!

they were like the cafers of djibouti also SGL were using jaamacada carabta to rule Somalia. SYL was the true somalis. i insulted them but deleted due to ramadan






https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DPw ... pt&f=false

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No one voted in Hiiraan for these mps

im not gonna argue with you in this time of ramada. odey kaapo qabiil dhuusamareeb ka ahaa oo la barbardhigaa SYL estsblishments.

I don't think you understand the issue.

I don't want to get into "personality" things especially since Ali Jimcaale is ironically ongoing "kaabo qabiiil" even today. But that is not what this is about.

Everyone is 100% in agreement that there were TWO systems used in 56 and 59;

-One was called Urban and it was actual vote in person in a box...basically what we call viting today

-The other was called SHIR or rural voting, basically the qabiilo just give voice vote to closed list with party candidates.


The thing is I don't think many people know what district used what.

EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT HAD TO USE URBAN and ONLY BELED-WEYNE, BULO BURTE, AND AFMADOOW were given rural.

Seriously?

98% of Somalis were reer baadiye then. Was Luuq more urban than Beled-Wryne? Was Dhuusomareeb? CALULA?

Really dude.

And remember that number of parliamentarians was pegged to POPULATION where they were COUNTED DIFFERENTLY in urban and rural.

Luuq had 1 seat with an urban pop of 18000. Beled-Weyne had 4 or 5 seats with assumed 100,000 Shir constituency.

What the hell?

I Would bet not even 2% of Mareexaan let alone Raxanweyn were urban LUUQ.

So all of a sudden

ELECTIONS happen
One place in a less democratic vote
oddly turns out three guys
They become three of the top guys
But they never actually had to be counted
In a race

Do you see what is going on?

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Anyways I edited because I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO PERSONALITIES.

I don't know the man. He is dead. It's not even fair to mention something and they can't defend themselves.

So let's just stay on the election.

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kkkk post the aden cade link he said tgis about Sh ali jimale i dare you!

it was know them being rivals

sheikh back then was a big title. jimcaale was a lawyer.
the man who studied the sharia law in Mogadishu and was interpreting for for your daarood in dollo region cant write his name?

cause of ramadan i deleted most lines i dont need an argument




https://www.hiiraan.com/op2/2010/sept/t ... cracy.aspx

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Sahal,

Brother the book should be on Google books but if not I have a ebook copy (basically online ka xaday) I can upload later from laptop

It is the book first Democrats something biographies of abdirazak haki hussein and addan cadde by the older samatar brother

It is unimportant anyways I realize now it was absolutely inappropriate to use that book which only narrates one side and you are right we think everybody in the past loved each other when it could be they were not friends.

Forget personalities