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May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon May 18, 2020 11:54 am

May 15, 1990 a group of Somali intellectuals, businessmen, former freedom fighters sent a last minute proposal to the Barre regime asking the President to step down and reform the government. The signatories represented all qabiils and offered a reasonable path forward that they believed would save the country. It was a peaceful call for change but They instead were met with brute repression paving the way for change by armed force.

https://www.academia.edu/2593162/The_Ma ... e_Survival

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

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AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT MOHAMED SIYAAD BARRE

[Somali Manifesto I]

Somali Elders

Horn of Africa

Volume XIII No. 1 & 2 (Jan – June, 1990), p109-124

This issue of Horn of Africa was "in press" when, by some timely contact, we received the following document. Signed by more than 100 wise men, intellectuals, elders, notables and spiritual leaders, the document is entitled "Somali Manifesto I," thereby implying that other "manifestos" of similar nature and intent are to follow. We received it in two versions: one in elegant Somali, the other in English. We presume that it was fast written in Somali, with considerable thought and reflection, then hastily translated into English because: a) the prose of the Somali version is by far superior to the English equivalent and b) the authors' names and signatures are attached only to the Somali version.

Whatever the circumstances of its inception, there can be no doubt that it is a significant document, and that its title of "manifesto" was deliberately chosen by the authors to underscore that significance. To begin with, the signatories constitute many Somali personalities still remaining inside the country- elder statesmen (like H.E. Mr. Aadan Abdullah Osmaan; former president of truly democratic Somalia), seasoned politicians, intellectuals, and "senior figures" – selected, apparently, to represent numerous ethnic, religious, class and political interests in the country. Addressed, in the manner of a petition, to General/President Mohamed Siyaad Barre, the document does not mince words. It outlines, in painful, lacerating language, the political, economic, physical and spiritual horrors that have been inflicted upon the Somali people in 20 years of "reign of terror" by aging dictator, General Barre. The brave authors of this document, admirably, do not hesitate to call evil things by their names. As such, they are to be commended not only for their rare candor but also for their singular courage, given that they possess no physical protection against a tired, frustrated tyrant who has increasingly grown erratic, unpredictable and therefore "dangerous not only to his own health but to the health of anyone within his reach."

The contents of the "manifesto" are self-explanatory and require no exegesis on our part. We think, however, that we, "the Somali Diaspora," are morally obligated: a) to publicize and disseminate the signatories' names to all international human rights bodies in order to ensure their physical safety to the extent possible, b) to express, immediately and forthrightly, our solidarity with them c) to aid them, morally and materially, in their difficult circumstances and d) to help implement, with all due speed, the concrete and visionary proposals offered by them in order to realize their recommendation of a "Conference of National Reconciliation and Salvation" to be held in a safe, neutral venue.

To: General Mohamed Siyaad Barre

President of the Somali Democratic Republic

Mogadishu

Subject: Recommendation Aimed at Bringing About National Reconciliation and Salvation

We, the undersigned elders, who took part in the national struggle for independence – sultans and chiefs of the Somali Communities from the various regions, religious leaders, businessmen, intellectuals and others – strongly and unanimously feel that we can no longer remain passive spectators, nor ignore the duties and responsibilities that we owe to our people and our country, both from Somali and Islamic points of view, given the sufferings, the bloodshed and the incalculable loss of life and property that our people have suffered for so long; as well as all the consequent unforeseeable and negative repercussion and risks that these may result vis-à-vis our national integrity and security.

Among others things, we are deeply disturbed by:

THE CIVIL WAR:

The civil war ranging between the government forces and the opposition movements which has caused unlimited disaster to our motherland, not only militarily but also politically, economically, socially, morally, and materially- to the point of making us feel ashamed of ourselves as Somalis as well as being made pessimistic about our future.
The killings of tens of thousands of innocent civilians including: the aged, women and children as well as the destruction and looting of their properties.
The fleeing of hundreds of thousands of people from their homes because of fear for their lives which compelled to seek refuge in other countries like Ethiopia and Kenya.
The destruction and looting of major cities and towns including: Hargeisa, Burao, Shiekh, Erigavo, Buhodle, Galkaio, Galdogob, Do'ol, Wargalo, Hilmo and its surrounding hamlets, Afmadow, Liboya and Bada'de. To our shock and dismay, most of the wells and water reservoirs on which, because of the and nature of our land, the very existence and the life of the nomads and their livestock so much depend were deliberately destroyed as punitive measures.

LACK OF SECURITY AND RESPECT FOR LAW

The lack of security and respect for the law in the country have reached such proportions that there is hardly any Somali citizen, or a foreigner who sleeps at his house at present without fear for the safety of his own life, his family and property.

In addition, as a result of the regime, divide and rule policy, a widespread tribal feuds and hooliganism have taken and are taking an unlimited toll in almost every region throughout the country, causing great losses to life and property, and the disruption of trade, transport and communication as well as the sawing the seeds of disharmony among brotherly communities- thus endangering the peaceful co-existence of Somali communities.

VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

In its twenty years' rule, the present regime has succeeded in monopolizing power in the domains of politics, economy and security. In the process, the people lost all their basic freedoms and role in the participation of the affairs of their own country. What is well known to all is the regime's arbitrary practice of throwing thousands of innocent citizens to prisons simply because they 'happened to comment on certain government policies or decisions which seemed to them unjust; worse still, others were jailed for the mere suspicion of being members or sympathizers of the opposition. Thousands of citizens have suffered years of imprisonment under cruel living conditions without proper food, water, light, health care, bedding etc. for periods up to 17 years. Many were tortured and others died while still in detention without any formal charges against them or due process of law. We cannot help but note, hereby, in a combination of shame and irony, that under the European colonial rule, the ordinary Somali enjoyed the right to Habeas Corpus whereas he has been arbitrarily deprived of such rights as a citizen by the regime as early as October, 1969 with Decree Law No. 64. In this case, comparing the record of the present regime to that of the British and Italian colonialism, doesn't independence mean less freedom to the ordinary Somali citizen? We must say, that in light of the kind of treatment the present regime has normally subjected to the Somali people for the past twenty years, many Somalis cannot help but sadly say that: "things were better under colonialism!"

No one can deny the fact that the present regime's human rights violation against the Somali citizen has become so notorious for so long to have reached such a point whereby Somalia has been listed as one of the four or five countries worse violators of human rights in the whole world by Amnesty International, African Watch and other human rights Organization.

GOVERNMENTAL MALADMINISTRATION

All Somalis as well as foreigners interested in Somali affairs are fully aware of the fact that government mismanagement and public maladministration have reached such a low and shameful point that the present regime is normally characterized with unconstrained corruption – from top to bottom – tribalism, nepotism, tyranny, injustice and inefficiency to the point where one cannot help but ask whether there is any national sense of responsibility in those who are supposed to govern the Somali people.

Public administration, from the center to the regional and district levels, and all public services that were intended to provide the basic foundations for the life of the people throughout the land, such as maintenance of law and order, protection of life and property, public health, basic education, water and electricity, transport and communication and the economic system, have practically ceased to function.

The Somali Commercial and Savings Bank, practically the only bank in the country, as a result of the monopoly introduced by the regime, now refuses or is unable to cash, strangely as this may sound, the very circular cheques and other credit papers that it previously issued to its customers with savings and bank accounts. This adds to the painful misery of poor citizens who now cannot get their own little savings so badly needed for the daily survival of their children.

In addition, the far-reaching serious economic losses suffered by the Somali traders and business community with a large deposits who cannot get their capital out of the bank in order to conduct their normal business transactions. This is bound to consequently have negative ill-effects and incalculable losses to the whole national economy, which Somalia can ill-afford.

The Somali Commercial and Savings Bank has practically closed its doors to all customers for the past eight weeks as of March 15, 1990. It is now widely believed that the bank is totally bankrupt and in fact is thirty billion shillings in the red. This has resulted from political, tribal interference and unbearable pressures on the management of the bank from the highest circles of the government who facilitated easy credit to the tune of hundreds of millions of shillings to the wives, sons, daughters, brothers and other relatives, as well as tribesmen and other political favorites of the governing echelon. Most of these loans are irrecoverable, since they were guaranteed by any assets or equities.

Another issue that is of particular concern to us and so deeply distresses us is the case of the National Army and the extent to which it has been reduced to an instrument to monopolize power and serve the political and tribal interests of the regime. It has also been used as an instrument of oppression of the Somali people.

The high purpose for which the National Army was created by the fast freely elected government was to defend our national sovereignty and to serve our national interest as a professional body, above political, tribal and personal interests. The Somali people had very high hopes in the National Army and gave their limited resources, paid a high price by giving its creation a top priority over badly needed social and economic developments.

Contrary to any sense of justice, the regime has placed its own political power and tribal interest above that of the whole nation by corrupting the army and involving it in party politics and tribal interests and promoting the officer corps on the basis of political and tribal loyalty as opposed to the traditional promotional system based on "professional merits" as it used to be in the past, under the command of the late General Da'ud Abdulle Hersi during the democratic civilian government prior to October, 1969.

The irresponsible, egoistic and power hungry instrumentalization of the National Army in order to maintain dictatorial power and tribal interest has reduced the National Army to the point where it has lost all inspect and credibility in the eyes of the Somali people. It has now practically disintegrated into tribal factions, sadly and painfully as this may sound to all sensible Somalis.

ECONOMICAL DISASTER

Today there is no doubt that hunger and misery have been felt in ev­ery Somali house except in those of the very few privileged ones. The entire national economy is in shambles. As a result, tens of thousands of Somalis have fled the country to the outside world in search for survival.

Unfortunately, the bulk of emigrants are the educated and the skilled laborers whose skills and expertise the country would need most to remedy the present national chaos.

The economic situation puts the existence of state at risk. It has already reduced the Somali people to the humiliating condition of being international beggars. This is an end-product of the dictatorial regime's mismanagement and corruption as well as the arbitrary imposition of Marxist Economic system contrary to our Islamic beliefs and cultural heritage. This philosophy has now been universally acknowledged as a failing system as demonstrated by recent events in Eastern Europe. By comparison, it is worthwhile remembering here that prior to the military take-over; Somalia had a national reserve fund of over sixty million dollars, plus a sum of stand-by hard currency capable of covering all import requirements for the whole country for four months.

To sum up, the present disastrous and tragic situation in which we find ourselves locked in is the end-product of twenty years of dictatorial rule and mismanagement by the present regime. The regime has arbitrarily deprived the Somali people of their fundamental rights for self-determination as well as the participation in the national decision-making process, affecting their own lives, families and future.

According to our considered opinion, only a replacement of the present regime by a care-taker government will get us out of the present mess (and the sooner we admit the reality the better) and will pave the way for a political settlement and peaceful solution to our most critical issues. This care­taker government must enjoy the respect and the confidence of the Somali people in general. The sooner we recognize the God given rights of the Somali people to freely choose their own government at every level, the better.

After all, once European Colonialism has left for good is there any Somali who has any right to rule, colonize, or worse still enslave other Somalis by force?

We do take note of the fact that lately the regime has been publicizing its willingness to abandon the present one-party rule, and its readiness to make changes in its own constitution in order to provide for its replacement with a multiparty democratic system, in time for a new political election in 1990.

However, the grim truth is that the Somali people have for the past twenty years become utterly tired, disillusioned and skeptical of the usual political rhetoric and empty promises that they have been subjected to and can no longer be deceived. If the regime seriously means business, it should immediately take concrete, clear-cut and tangible steps regarding constitutional changes, the introduction of a multiparty democratic system and free political elections under the close monitoring of independent observers from the Muslim World and Western democracies.

In order to dissipate all doubts and suspicions, why not allow the widest possible popular participation by duly chosen representatives of the Somali people, in order to realize the proposed constitutional, political and electoral goals?

It seems to us that because the present regime has been accustomed to a total monopoly of political power for more than two decades, it is unable to appreciate the vital importance of popular participation in the political process. On the other hand, it is as clear as day light, to all concerned, that the present regime by itself alone no longer commands neither the power nor the ability to lead us from the present danger, without the concerted effort and full backing of the Somali people as a whole.

To give certain credibility to the proposed constitutional and democratic changes, the first step needed is to abrogate immediately all the repressive laws as well as all the institutional "appratichki" (NSS, the Hangash or Military Intelligence, the Dhabarjebinta or Military Counter Intelligence, Koofiyad-Casta- Red Hats or Military Police, Barista Xisbiga- Party Investigators, Guulwadayaal- Party militia etc) such as:

Law No. 01 of 10 January, 1970- power of arrest.
Law No. 03 of 10 January, 1970- creation of National Security Court.
Law No. 14 of 15 February, 1970- creation of National Security Services.
Law No. 54 of 10 September, 1970- National Security.
Law No. 64 of 10 October, 1970- the abrogation of the right to Habeas Corpus.
Law No. 67 of 01 Nov. 1970- Socialistic Defence.
Law No. 38 of April, 1972- judicial powers to the Military Supreme Revolutionary Council.
At the same time, the old penal laws of the land, code No-5 of 16 December, 1962 and the penal procedure No. 1 of 10 January, 1963- enacted by the former democratically elected Somali Parliament- should be immediately restored enforce entirely.

After having suffered oppressive dictatorship for more than two decades, the Somali people now feel heart-fully thirsty and hungry to re-acquire their fundamental freedoms and national dignity. Therefore, if the regime is honestly serious enough about its declared intentions of restoring democratic pluralism, then the best test case would be the immediate abrogation of all the above mentioned Marxist inspired oppressive laws, thus restoring forthwith, to the Somali people, their sacred rights to basic freedoms such as: freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and association, and freedom to travel. It may well be worth remembering of the various prominent Somalis who after having suffered detention without trail for well over a decade have subsequently been place under travel restrictions.

Considering the fact that the regime is now trying very hard to improve its lost image and creditability inside and outside the country, what better means can there be to achieve its own goals than the immediate abolition of these repressive laws and the restoration of basic democracy?

NATIONAL RECONCILIATION AND SALVATION CONFERENCE (NRSC)

First Priority of the NRSC is to:

Put a stop as quickly as possible all the blood that has so sadly and so painfully been shed in most parts of Somalia;
Restore law and order, peace and stability through the country;
Find a political solution to the widespread civil war being fought.
CREATE A TRUE DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM BASED ON THE CONSENT OF THE SOMALI PEOPLE

We believe that it is indispensable to call the Conference of National Reconciliation and Salvation according to our traditional "Shin" system of the most popular political, tribal, religious and business leaders from all regions of Somalia- leaders who enjoy the full respect and confidence of their local and national constituents- to convene on a neutral ground as early as possible preferably in Djibouti, Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Italy.

In order to prepare the ground and make sure that such a vital "shir" gets well organized, we propose that a 13-member committee, called the Committee For the Preparation of the National Conference of Reconciliation and Salvation, composed of the following personalities, who in our opinion posses all the necessary qualifications required for such a delicate task of national importance, be immediately created:

The Signatories of the Document

1. Mr. Adam Abbdulle Osman (First President of the Country)

2. Shiekh Mukhtar Mohamed Hussein (Former President of the National Parliament)

3. Dr. Ismail Jumale Osoble (Lawyer and Ex-Minister of Information)

4. Haji Muse Boqor (Ex Minister of Interior)

5. Dr. Mohamed Rajis Ahmed (Lawyer, Former Member of Parliament)

6. Mohamed Abshir Muse (Commandant of Somali Defence Forces 1958-60 Ex-Commandant of Somali Police Forces 1960—69)

7. Sultan Dulane Rafle Guled

8. Mohamed Shiekh Ahmed Muse Ex-President of Supreme Court

9 Garad Abdiqani Garad Jama

10. Haji Jirde Hussein Duale

11 Haji Ali Shidde Abdi (Ex-Vice President- Somali Youth League Ex-Ambassador)

12. Shiekh Sharif Sharafow

13. Shiekh Ibrahim Suley

The duties and the responsibilities of the Preparatory Committee would be as follows:

1. The organization, preparation of the agenda and the procedural rules of the conference;

2. The selection and invitation of all conference participants and the arrangements of all meetings required, making sure that all communities are fairly represented;

3. Consultations with any one, or party who may have useful contribution to make, inside or outside the country;

4. Conduct and oversee all necessary discussion with the government and the opposition groups, with the principal aim of laying the foundation for a peaceful political solution to the present crises;

Participants in the Conference for Reconciliation and Salvation:

Representatives of the governing party with full authority;
Representatives of all opposition groups with full authority;
Leaders, representing all regions in Somalia, who enjoy the full confidence and respect of their people;
Most prominent religious leaders and intellectuals of national standing;
The Principal aims of the conference on National Reconciliation and Salvation:

Stopping the blood-shed amongst Somali brothers and the restoration of law and order, peace and stability to the country;
Reaching a common agreement on the basic principles governing the new Somali constitution;
Reaching a political agreement on the timetable and the best electoral procedure for holding free elections e.g. for a new parliament, a new president, new regional and district councils, necessary reforms on public administration, the economy, public services and the armed forces.
Formation of a caretaker government to be charged with the responsibility of carrying out the final decisions and agreement arrived in the conference.
Finally, we earnestly hope that your Excellency will agree with us on the gravity of the present situation and the unprecedented danger facing our nation. Hence there is an absolute need on the part of every sensible citizen everywhere to put national interest first and concentrate all their efforts- moral and material resources- in safeguarding our motherland.

We, therefore, trust that you will give our proposal the maximum attention and most careful consideration as well as the urgency that the present national crisis objectively calls for in order to save our national integrity and honor.

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby dalalos101 » Mon May 18, 2020 12:28 pm

Abdiwahab your knowledge is deep and beyond silly clannism :wow:

I urge all MX to tackle this topic with factual points, especially our top runner intellectual Voltage, these are the type of threads you are needed in.

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon May 18, 2020 1:00 pm

Dalalos

Why do the MX have the obligation to defend the regime? There were MX opposition who disliked the regime and viewed it as an oppressive tool. Their voices were not heard due to peer pressure to keep quiet.

I viewed Manifesto with suspicion back then. They seemed to be idealists who were trying to conduct a Gandhi like experiment against a regime that used violence to maintain control.

Yet their olive branch to the two sides and pathway forward was noble. It’s representation was from all clans and offered a way forward beyond those actors holding the guns: Government and rebels

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby Kacdoon » Mon May 18, 2020 1:15 pm

Who should the Kacaan give power to in late 1990 ? you had drug child soldiers standing outside the capital lead by the Mafia you make it sound like an organized decent rebel group was marching on. Kacaan was terrible in the late 80s but the alternative was way worse as history proved later. Rape and looting was already taking place in early december 1990 in parts of Mogadishu.

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby dalalos101 » Mon May 18, 2020 1:28 pm

Dalalos

Why do the MX have the obligation to defend the regime? There were MX opposition who disliked the regime and viewed it as an oppressive tool. Their voices were not heard due to peer pressure to keep quiet.

I viewed Manifesto with suspicion back then. They seemed to be idealists who were trying to conduct a Gandhi like experiment against a regime that used violence to maintain control.

Yet their olive branch to the two sides and pathway forward was noble. It’s representation was from all clans and offered a way forward beyond those actors holding the guns: Government and rebels
There is alot you don't know about internal MX politics Abdiwahab, I will wait for Voltage response on this as he is well read intellectual I respect in these type of topics.

Just know in the civil war MX were two groups, 1 group wanting to retake power in Mogadishu and 1 group calling it a day and saying they not black enough to rule Mogadishu in that era of kill or be killed :lol:

Having said that majority of, I am talking the big dogs of MX refused the disgrace you wanted for MSB and hence defeated your USC in useless battles trying to kill and defile the body of our great leader MSB, Returnofmariixman his people are a massive backbone of Mareexaan you never seen, they housed his majesty in Buurdhoobo, no one could touch MSB aun 8-)

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby dalalos101 » Mon May 18, 2020 1:35 pm

Who should the Kacaan give power to in late 1990 ? you had drug child soldiers standing outside the capital lead by the Mafia you make it sound like an organized decent rebel group was marching on. Kacaan was terrible in the late 80s but the alternative was way worse as history proved later. Rape and looting was already taking place in early december 1990 in parts of Mogadishu.
As much as I respect the great Karanle who live with us as far north as Faafan in Ethiopia, don't try to rewrite history, you were small dogs in the civil war, Abdiwahab kin were calling the shots, my family left prior to the civil war, but my relatives were stragglers who left when the hordes were at the gates, they were saved by Sacad driver who use to work for them before the civil war, back then it was about who you know not your landheere status, native Gaaljecel, Jareer and even Ogaden were hunting down civlian Marehan, he managed to negotiate on their behalf for fuel to the car, food, and even rest places, while other Marehan were getting killed and entire cars full of money burning no one touching it cuh the savages only took shiny things. :lol:
After he brought my relatives to safety at the Kenyan border, he was paid and he returned the hell on earth and did his thing as a Laandheere Sacad, in naarul Haawiya, may God never show us that state again. :lol:

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby ReerGarowe » Mon May 18, 2020 2:35 pm

Simply put Marehan must never rule Somalia. Likewise in the new era of confederalism, MX must also not rule any regional state (this is hypothetical risk that won't happen since they are not the biggest in either JL or GM)

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby STARKAST » Mon May 18, 2020 2:47 pm

An Caydiid offspring should of known better.
MSB's Somalia is infinitely better than the status quo.

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby Murax » Mon May 18, 2020 3:34 pm

Abdiwahab252,

I have one question. If this Manifesto groups were so influential why couldn’t they wield control over the armed groups that proceeded to kill, rampage, rape into oblivion? Why couldn’t they tell them to stop and wait for their command?


Please answer that question first:

Now If they could not stop them, then they had no place at all asking for desolving a Government with functioning institutions. If you can’t make something better which you obviously couldn’t, a better effort would have been reaching legitimate consensus between the armed factions under a single chain of command a la Paul Kagame that could establish Governance since day 1. MSB AUN performed a coup himself, but there was not 1 day of anarchy. MSB was defeated, exited the country with a capital city that was 100% intact. To this very day we are paying for Anti Aircraft missiles being launched within the 4 month war, Aid destined for Baay/Bakool being sat on, Black hawk down with regard to the Arms Embargo that forces SNA to battle Al Shaydaan while they are outgunned.


I am absolutely willing to acknowledge there were fatal, irreconcilable flaws in the Government in the 80s and that change was going to be inevitable. But can you meet me even a quarter way, or are you going to stay in the USC battle position and not leave your intellectual revisionist, USC romanticization bunker?


I’ve done many a sanity check and tried to see if my viewpoints on this matter are clan defense mechanisms or are mainstream Somali views. I can say like 99.9% of Somalis have this view, the ones you meet outside not on SNET. Just go to Baileys Crossroads Starbucks.
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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby dalalos101 » Mon May 18, 2020 3:38 pm

Simply put Marehan must never rule Somalia. Likewise in the new era of confederalism, MX must also not rule any regional state (this is hypothetical risk that won't happen since they are not the biggest in either JL or GM)
:deadrose:

don't hate on Marehan bro we are Darood aren't we Subxanaah, you must be the laangaabs of MJ, still hiding your subclan from me like a pussyhole :pac:

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby dalalos101 » Mon May 18, 2020 3:41 pm

Abdiwahab252,

I have one question. If this Manifesto groups were so influential why couldn’t they wield control over the armed groups that proceeded to kill, rampage, rape into oblivion? Why couldn’t they tell them to stop and wait for their command?


Please answer that question first:

Now If they could not stop them, then they had no place at all asking for desolving a Government with functioning institutions. If you can’t make something better which you obviously couldn’t, a better effort would have been reaching legitimate consensus between the armed factions under a single chain of command a la Paul Kagame that could establish Governance since day 1. MSB AUN performed a coup himself, but there was not 1 day of anarchy. MSB was defeated, exited the country with a capital city that was 100% intact. To this very day we are paying for Anti Aircraft missiles being launched within the 4 month war, Aid destined for Baay/Bakool being sat on, Black hawk down with regard to the Arms Embargo that forces SNA to battle Al Shaydaan while they are outgunned.


I am absolutely willing to acknowledge there were fatal, irreconcilable flaws in the Government in the 80s and that change was going to be inevitable. But can you meet me even a quarter way, or are you going to stay in the USC battle position and not leave your intellectual revisionist, USC romanticization bunker?


I’ve done many a sanity check and tried to see if my viewpoints on this matter are clan defense mechanisms or are mainstream Somali views. I can say like 99.9% of Somalis have this view, the ones you meet outside not on SNET. Just go to Baileys Crossroads Starbucks.
:up: I am also quite undecided on manifesto group, perhaps it was just too close to the civil war to be able to succeed, I always believed HG failed to play their cards correctly, they were big players in the civil war era, but they refused to take a back seat and thus have been black listen by all other clans, Abdiwahab actually argued they take a back seat in 2016 but they didn't.

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon May 18, 2020 4:03 pm

Murax

Manifesto had a lot of influence. They were the third option to a government at war with its people and rebel groups at war with their government. They simply were attempting to find a way to end the civil war through dialogue.

Barre and the rebels did not like Manifesto. Both groups saw it as a threat to their plans. The regime did not want to quit and the rebels were not in the mood to compromise with the regime.


It was hard for Manifesto to stop any descent to utter chaos after the government cracked down on them and also began its own campaign against alleged USC sympathizers in the city before the USC had not even reached Xamar. The Red berets and other elements committed massive crimes against alleged USC civilians including kill lists.
Naturally, those aggrieved parties wanted their revenge and no one would listen to a bunch of old men speaking Gandhi to them.

There were mistakes made by all parties to the civil war. USC for not consolidating power efficiently and quickly. The MSB faction for not quitting while ahead and instead of selfishly holding on at any cost even when the writing was on the wall.

Manifesto offered an out that was not taken. Had it been, we would have had a different outcome.

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby Nomand » Mon May 18, 2020 5:30 pm

Interesting topic abdiwahab

I have one question, whats the clan composition of the 13 signatures?

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Re: May 15 1990: Manifesto Group - Somalia’s last chance

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon May 18, 2020 6:10 pm

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Hawiye, Darood, Issaq etc They represented anyone who wasn’t a rebel or government loyalist.

They represented a threat to those who wanted to resolve things by the gun.


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