Hirshabelle powershing is a gentlemen's agreement no one can breach it!

[sahal80]

its like 4.5

wareysi xiiso leh with ali Osoble coming soon. he also warns against term extension.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Are you saying farmaajo is pushing for a Abgaal president? Update me sxb.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Are you saying farmaajo is pushing for a Abgaal president? Update me sxb.

[sahal80]

Are you saying farmaajo is pushing for a Abgaal president? Update me sxb.

kkkk wax xassan sh sameyn waayey muu Farmaajo sameen karaa? dont tell me buuloburde was not declared to be the capital bc he wanted the president to be harti abgaal so he can stop them from villa somalia tartan. his candidate was 30 jir 30 million heesta from the same jufo as shariif. was asked hypothetical question IF the govt backs non Hawadle candidate he said waa lagu kala tagayaa. hiiraan state will be declared any any maamul in jowhar wont be accepted by the IC. Farmaajo just failed in his own JL what can he do in region he does not belong to.

hawadle are not still backing this state bc we were forced. 6 june ayaa shir wadatashiga beesha ka dhacaya baladweyne on Hirshabelle big titles: respecting IGAD broked heshiis that the President has to be Hawadle so the state can be accebted in Hiiraan. 2 hirshabellada cusub where hawadle gets more seats that reflect their size in the State. hadiii nin Abgaal ah madax ka noqdo, 100% it wont work in Hiiraan.

[ReerGarowe]

Instead of being the president of Hiirshabelle state, the brotherly Abgaal people should also have, in addition to the vice presidency and the capital of Hiirshabelle,

1. Create the position of 'Chief Minister' of Hiirshabelle for Abgaal to also have but that this Chief Minister can be appointed and dismissed by the state president

2. Create a new state consisting of Banadir and Lower Shabelle which Abgaal can rule through the presidency of this new state

[sahal80]

Instead of being the president of Hiirshabelle state, the brotherly Abgaal people should also have, in addition to the vice presidency and the capital of Hiirshabelle,

1. Create the position of 'Chief Minister' of Hiirshabelle for Abgaal to also have but that this Chief Minister can be appointed and dismissed by the state president

2. Create a new state consisting of Banadir and Lower Shabelle which Abgaal can rule through the presidency of this new state

No No we dont want dual executive system iyo is qabqabsi. Waare is free for his cabinet infact his early cabinet were guys who worked with him in the NGOs but bc of Nabar iyo Naxdin using these illiterate mps he formed new cabinet from them 68 wasiiro from the parliament out of 98 mps!

he got only 20 mucaarad!

he threatened his speaker recently until he said sorry and bc of the bad timing associated with flooding.

Hawadle like to sortout things between them and Abgaal anything that has something to do with Abgaal they leave it for the vice prez like the middle shabelle admin. the second point we dont like them involving Banaadir shit in the State wich was Ali Osobles biggest mistake bc he was more allied with Wacbuudhan Abgaal and Damjadeed than the vice presidents subclan who is warsangali harti or let us put it jowhar vs balcad and banaadir. yes wacbuudhan r native to Jowhar as well but the admin was warsangali since mohamed dheere they came from the coastal side where they had ceelmacaan port for 10 years and used this money to conquer Jowhar wich has become more abgaal dominated after they moved in. the vice prez cooperated with N&N bc of Osoble middling in Abgaal affairs. Waare is corrupt but he is great interms of his Abgaal relations as he secured the backing of the vice prez against the speaker and N&N also he stayed away from ceelmacaan port wich is oitside of kaaraan and promotes Adali port 130km north of mogadishu. Abgaal bussiness he left it for the vice president.

Compare this to Galmudug where sacad had the prez, cayr tried to have the pm and the capital Dhuusamareeb and cadaado hosts the parliament even still under qoorqoor. our qabiil split way is much better .

[ReerGarowe]

OK thanks for clearing things up for me, yes you don't want Hiirshabelle to suffer like Galmudug did

Would you like to happen with the Banadir region in terms of state formation Sahal?

[sahal80]

full interview

[SultanOrder]

You sound insecure sxb. Kulaha if we don’t get prez then we out. It’s Abgal’s turn sxb relax and take a seat.

[sahal80]

OK thanks for clearing things up for me, yes you don't want Hiirshabelle to suffer like Galmudug did

Would you like to happen with the Banadir region in terms of state formation Sahal?

Nooooo

sxb we had some role in the state formations as goodax was the interior minister there were many options on the table. Mj had this strategy of moving the capital to Garowe this is why they refused to state it in the draft of saxiixayaasha led by faroole who was backed by gaas gudiga ansixinta iyo parliament stated it in the constitution a month a go before the 2012 election markii shariif iyo gaas kala tageen oo la tartamay ayuu faraha ka qaadey awal wuxuu amri jiray qareenada dastuurka in faroole loo yeelo wuxuu rabo but still needs to sort out its status in the federalism.

http://yusuf-garaad.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... a.html?m=1


so mj wanted Banaadir and Jowhar forming a state, hiiraan joining Galgaduud and then move the capital to garowe since you have more harti provinces but hawiye will not have more gobolo after this option. this is the reason why mj will never let dhuloos and warsangali form their own nothern state with other clans in these provinces bc the mj will not be able to move the capital with only bari and nugaal and half mudug. Goodax fought against this option of hiiraan joining galmudug. Ceyr and abdiqaasim were entertaining the idea of Hiiraan joining Galgaduud with mudug or without Mudug so lower shabelle can join Jowhar(Shabelle state) and we supported lower shabelle joining KG with Farah Abdulqadir and sakiin and behind them ethiopia.

one of the "gobolada dhexe" intiatives back in 2013

https://hiiraan.com/news/2013/oct/warar ... -33820.htm

marka hore hadaadan sharta iska moosin gadaal lagama sixi karo hada waxaan rabnaa inaan saxno waxqaybsiga beelaha .

[ReerGarowe]

Thanks Sahal

[sahal80]

You sound insecure sxb. Kulaha if we don’t get prez then we out. It’s Abgal’s turn sxb relax and take a seat.

i know you wanna iskudir by mentioning Abgaal. mx guys here think im scared of Abgaal taking hirshabelle if they lose villa somalia for the second time. if hawadle guy becomes the president of Somalia it wont have an effect on Hirshabelle at all the state president will still be Hawadle. Banaadir and Xamar and federal politics have nothing to do with this State. meeshaan qofka aan waxba ogeeyn oon hawadle aheen isma soo taagi karo ayadoo heshiis jiro. watch the link above you at 22:00 Ali osoble explains it very good. i believe Nabar iyo Naxdin understands this xataa hadeey isku dayaan waa ku fashilmi. waa burburinkaraan wax easily laakin its hard to rebuild it and there will be only three months till this govts term ends. hirshabelle prez election is 16 sep waare told beesha caalamka he stays till 16 sep. parliament is oct
Ali osoble says he is free guy waxba kameysan faaideysan dumintii maamulkiisa.

https://www.garoweonline.com/en/news/so ... -president

[Murax]

Beesha Sade needs to get their xaqq in HiirShabeele. Beledweyne always had a community in Beledweyne.

[Splash]

You sound insecure sxb. Kulaha if we don’t get prez then we out. It’s Abgal’s turn sxb relax and take a seat.

i know you wanna iskudir by mentioning Abgaal. mx guys here think im scared of Abgaal taking hirshabelle if they lose villa somalia for the second time. if hawadle guy becomes the president of Somalia it wont have an effect on Hirshabelle at all the state president will still be Hawadle. Banaadir and Xamar and federal politics have nothing to do with this State. meeshaan qofka aan waxba ogeeyn oon hawadle aheen isma soo taagi karo ayadoo heshiis jiro. watch the link above you at 22:00 Ali osoble explains it very good. i believe Nabar iyo Naxdin understands this xataa hadeey isku dayaan waa ku fashilmi. waa burburinkaraan wax easily laakin its hard to rebuild it and there will be only three months till this govts term ends. hirshabelle prez election is 16 sep waare told beesha caalamka he stays till 16 sep. parliament is oct
Ali osoble says he is free guy waxba kameysan faaideysan dumintii maamulkiisa.

https://www.garoweonline.com/en/news/so ... -president

Hooyada iyo abgaal Wass langaab xawaadle inagumeed .5 ah no history or tariiq lol

[Nomand]

lots of changes are happening in somalia, people think the fight is between n&n and mucaarid but it's more like proper representation vs current status quo.

For example who knows who the majority of hiirshabaale is without having a census. Half of hiiraan is settled by gaaljecel.

Jareer live from beledweyne all the way to Mogadishu. And most jareers in somalia live in shabeele dhexe and hoose.

So what will happen is the 4.5 will be gone. Federalism is all about destroying 4.5 and replacing with districts/ federal state.

And for that to take place a census will be done in somalia and the people will elect their representatives. There will be no more agreements. The ballot box will be the decider