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Aniga qabiil waa aaminsanahay ka deegaan iyo dhaqan iyo siyaasad goboleed saa darteed waligeey iguma jirin cuqdad qabiil against Daarood as a clan or any daarood subclan onces comes to their Deegaan. im well known for my position from JL since 2013 i was supportive of reconciliation with Madoobe and my beef with Mx crew here goes back to that era that why they say "why you hate mx" when i predicted the heshiis with madoobe

this sort of qabiilnimo is common in the arab countries starting from yemen. Muslim brotherhood of Yemen is about hashid tribe the biggest yemani tribe. founder of Al islaax of Yemen same leader of al hashid tribe. this is the khilaaf between saudi arabia and UAE as sacuudi sees them as qabiil while UAE looks at them as muslim brotherhood
Abdullah ibn Husayn al-Ahmar ex yemens strong man he was the interior minister, ikhwan and hashid leader
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulla ... n_al-Ahmar

mix of hashid tribe/ikhwan/salafi party
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Islah_(Yemen)
so let us come to the point.

MJ waa qabiil siyaasadooda Daaroodnimada cadahay laakin waxaan ka soo horjeedaa kuwa kugu soo galaya wadaniyad bug ah hoosna qabiil ka shaqeynaya

Qarxiskii Dani waxaa ka danbeeyay mark uu Mooge u yeeray wasiirada kablalax oo dhahay waa inaad ergo daarood sameysaan. wuxuu ku qasbay wasiirka MJ oo cumar maxmuud ah inuu islaankiisa ku kiciyo Dani oo uu tago galkacyo. Dani oo dhawraya midnimada guriga PL ayaa qarxiyay xantii Mooge ee hawiye hurdaaye. Dani wuxuu i xasusinaa boqor muuse boqor oo ka horyimid siyaasadii Ogaadeenka loogu deegaameynaayay hiiraan laakin waxaa ogalaadey dhulbahante iyo warsangale oo hada mooge ku taageersan xukun boobka. wallahi Dani waa nin sharaf leh oo dhaqan boqortooyo oo adag leh oo isku kalsoon inay wax ku yihiin dhulkooda .

Qaxootiga OG JL aa ka badan laakiin dhulkaan wuxuu u dajiyay inuu base ka dhigto

OG iyo Hawaadle siyaad barre aa isku diray markii hore waa la soo dhaweeysy waliba kuwii ugu horeeyay waxay ahaayeen reer warfaa oo dhuubo Xawaadle dhashey

ninkaan wuxuu ahaa madixuu UNHCRka Somalia 80skii. wuxuu dhahay markii 1988 kii heshiiskii itoobiyo lala gaarey siyaad barre wuxuu diiday in Ogaadeenkii Hiiraan itoobiya loo celiyo si uu ciidan uga dhigto.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=639 ... ty&f=false

Kadib markii SNM soo baxdey ayuu siyaad barre sameeyay wax la dhoho erga daarood. MJ intaan jufo cumar maxamuud ah ka aheen waa la soo celiyay waxaana loo dhisay Dekada boosaaso. kahor qorshaha wuxuu ahaa dekada hobyo maadaama berbera ku filantahay waqooyi iyo bari.

Dani maanta waa diiday another ergo daarood real qabiilist moogana waa qaawiyay 99% hawiye waa soo kaceen oo rooble iyo zoom qoorqoor hada waxay leeyihiin ceebteenii banaankaa la soo dhigay saan kuma sii jiri karno
https://www.doollo.com/mainpage/boggasu ... raaqsi.htm

WadaniggaBarakaysan,

It’s funny, MSB AUN was hosting Meles Zenawi in Mogadishu propping up TPLF, while also supporting Eritrean independence. Both happened 1991, while the Somali Gov collapsed 1991. If the Somali Government didn’t collapse, and held on JUST MONTHS LONGER Somalia might have had puppets in Addis Ababa, Asmara, with a Djibouti surviving a little longer. Completely alternative scenario.

Or if the Somali rebels a la Meles Zenawi actually had a plan for their country, they would have dislodged the MSB AUN Gov easily without destroying the Government institutions that were still pretty much in tact the way Meles Zenawi did Mengistu. Crazy 1991 two Governments in East Africa fell, one got up quickly while the other never recovered.


I lived in the biggest Ethiopian diaspora community, with former Eithopian Gov officials who used to sit in in meeting plotting how to destroy the MSB regime. I heard one time Meles Zenawi was told ‘hey the Somali Government hosted, and supported you why did you return their help by destroying them and keeping them down?’ Meles responded responded by saying they only supported me because he wanted we (Ethiopia) to become like them (Somalia). Ouch, but it’s true. Today 2021 With Ethiopia still going through turmoil, the Somali military having made huge strides, and with stable international friendships i.e Turkey, Qatar, Russia, hopefully by the time Ethiopia is done with their issues and turns an eye to Somalia we will be much better equipped to at least make it less of a subservient relationship as has been the case since the civil war.


Last but not least Qadar Allah Ma Shaa A’facal. As has come in Hadith saying would’ve, could’ve, should’ve opens the doors of Shaydaan of despair in Allah mercy, depression, regret, etc. I just said all that for a ironic piece of history. In Shaa Allah only think forward the past is the past!

qabiilada somalida waxay leeyihiin kuwo ilbax ah iyo kuwo reer baadiye ah hadii reer baadiyaha qabsadaan dhib ay keenee

anoo la kaftamaaya walaalaha isaaq hada ka hor aa mid saaxiibkey ah in real life oo reer jeegaan ah systemkooda iiga sheekeeyay dhaqaalo ahaan iyo siyaasad ahaan deegaan ahaan wuxuu isiiyay marka sawir ah in jeegaanta ay yihiin kuwa ilbaxa ah hadeey timaado carabtii iyo hindidii iyo cusmaaniyiintii iyo ingiriiskii soo galay deegaanadooda oo hadana dhaqaalaha iyo ganacsatada u badan yihiin

dhanka kale taageerayaasha wadani oo u badan qabiil nomadic ah oo aad u balaaran min ceerigaabo ilaa hawdka itoobiya tan oo keentay inta badan ka shaqeeyaan contrabandka iyo tahriibka outlated activitieska marka hadii ay xunkunka qabsadaan waxaa dumi kara xadaaradii waana waxa Xamar ka dhacay hadaan la kaftamo qaar ka mid ah oo baahnaa waxay noqotey inay sharci darada system ka dhigtaan

sidoo kale Daaroodka waxay qabaan kuwo system federalism aamisan sida MJ oo aamisan mar hadii 91kii hantidoodii xamar ka soo tageen oo saxarahoodii iska xaarxaarteen ooy dawlad iyo magaalooyin shidan ka dhisteen in mar danbe loo noqon dawlad aruursan iyo wixii hore iyo kuwo askar ah oo archaic ah oo aamisan wixii shalay burburka keenay waa wax xataa hawiye ka gudbeen oo hada aamisan banaadirland iyo Hirshabelle iyo Galmudug. hawiyihii aa hada leh war nimanyahow aan sharciga iyo dastuurka ku dhaqano oo diiday qori iyo dagaal hadeey ka baxsan waayaan

marka mushkilad dhaqan ah ayaa qabiilkaste ka dhex jirta

The only reason the rebel movements in the 1980's were able to function was because they were heavily funded and supported by outside forces. Ethiopia, Djibouti, Yemen, Libya, Soviet Union, Kenya, Cuba, etc played key roles in providing logistics, weapons and funding with any and all rebel movements that were against the Kacaan government.

The Soviet Union collapsed. Ethiopia has had change of governments. Yemen in in total disarray. Libya is somewhere in Akhira. If Somalia's current and future government(s) creates a diplomatic relationships with Ethiopia, Kenya, Djibouti, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt and other foreign nations, then I'm quite sure not a single Somali clan will be able to take up arms against the Somali government. Without assistance, no funding, no logistics and no support of any kind, any and all Somali clans will be incapable to start a rebellion against a Somali government that is internationally supported by most major powers of today's era.

I genuinely believe this is what Farmaajo's administration is working on. Disconnect all individual connections Somali clans have with outside influences by creating a long-lasting, friendly and diplomatic ties with foreign nations that have been dealing directly with individual Somali clans and thus disabling the breastfeeding that has been going on for three to four decades once and for all between Somali clans and foreign entities.

Isn't Kenya the one supporting Madobe? Why would they of all people turn a 180 when Farmaajo is a bane to their foreign policy (acting as a 'big brother') in the region? Nearly half of these nations want Farmaajo to step down (Qatar purchased some oil blocks in the disputed maritime area). The only other nation you mentioned that would be able to support the FGS in taking out the major federal member states is Ethiopia, and even then I'd doubt they'd do something so drastic.

Don’t people lie to you majerteen and marexaan are brothers. The only beef is who is going to lead the country. Like many others family intermarriages till today is also very strong. The competition is about power not hatred.

Absolutely, this whole diatribe online couldn't be more opposite in real life. Regarding Ogaden and Marexaan, the only problem we're dealing with is between the FGS and Kenyan backed Madobe militias - even Cawliyaan have jumped ship from Madobe's camp. Madobe also continues to have the support of some Marexaan sub clans, with the way people have been going on online you would think they'd be a ongoing war right now between MX/OG reminiscent of the 90's, nothing could be further from the truth.

Phinks,

I have no issues with average MJ shacbi, they are no different than any other Somalis. The MJ political establishment though, still operates on SSDF ideology, mindset. Which is basically if we're not leading the Government, do whatever could possibly be done, working with whatever destabilizing elements they need to work with to gain an advance until they lead again. Whether its Italians, Ethiopia mid 2000s, UAE, Kenya today, it doesn't matter. Say what you want about MX, you never hear them say "We don't recognize the Government, we don't recognize the Government" doesn't matter if we're leading or not.

You said something about people are encouraging fighting them, I'm not sure who's advocated for that. The best approach is what Farmaajo has done the past few years, simply ignore them which ironically infuriates them more than if he didn't.

Murax, I'm in agreement with you. At time it's very frustrating to see PL elite behaving as a sovereign nation, it honestly baffles me. Why would you say you won't continue to recognise the government when it was Abduallahi Yusuf (AUN) himself who established it in Xamar? You can't say 'Puntland waa hoyadaa federalka' then start with these antics. The FGS is for ALL Somalis, the good news is that I can assure you majority of MJ support Farmaajo, don't let these ciyaal keyboard warriors living in the west cloud your perception, unfortunately when it comes to our questionable political leadership we have no say in the matter, we can only hold our tongue for now.

The other thing I want to say is that I don't think Deni and his folk want to lead per say, they just want Farmaajo gone and have another candidate take his place, that is as long as Farmaajo doesn't remain president anyone will do.

qabiilada somalida waxay leeyihiin kuwo ilbax ah iyo kuwo reer baadiye ah hadii reer baadiyaha qabsadaan dhib ay keenee

anoo la kaftamaaya walaalaha isaaq hada ka hor aa mid saaxiibkey ah in real life oo reer jeegaan ah systemkooda iiga sheekeeyay dhaqaalo ahaan iyo siyaasad ahaan deegaan ahaan wuxuu isiiyay marka sawir ah in jeegaanta ay yihiin kuwa ilbaxa ah hadeey timaado carabtii iyo hindidii iyo cusmaaniyiintii iyo ingiriiskii soo galay deegaanadooda oo hadana dhaqaalaha iyo ganacsatada u badan yihiin

dhanka kale taageerayaasha wadani oo u badan qabiil nomadic ah oo aad u balaaran min ceerigaabo ilaa hawdka itoobiya tan oo keentay inta badan ka shaqeeyaan contrabandka iyo tahriibka outlated activitieska marka hadii ay xunkunka qabsadaan waxaa dumi kara xadaaradii waana waxa Xamar ka dhacay hadaan la kaftamo qaar ka mid ah oo baahnaa waxay noqotey inay sharci darada system ka dhigtaan

sidoo kale Daaroodka waxay qabaan kuwo system federalism aamisan sida MJ oo aamisan mar hadii 91kii hantidoodii xamar ka soo tageen oo saxarahoodii iska xaarxaarteen ooy dawlad iyo magaalooyin shidan ka dhisteen in mar danbe loo noqon dawlad aruursan iyo wixii hore iyo kuwo askar ah oo archaic ah oo aamisan wixii shalay burburka keenay waa wax xataa hawiye ka gudbeen oo hada aamisan banaadirland iyo Hirshabelle iyo Galmudug. hawiyihii aa hada leh war nimanyahow aan sharciga iyo dastuurka ku dhaqano oo diiday qori iyo dagaal hadeey ka baxsan waayaan

marka mushkilad dhaqan ah ayaa qabiilkaste ka dhex jirta

Sahal, qabiil is the main issue plaguing Somalia, my problem is when others point the finger and put the blame on one clan or group of clans as the source of all their problems.

Majeerteen upon being betrayed by the USC - who killed innocent civilians in the dead cover of night in gaalkacyo - chose to compromise on the grounds of walaalnimo, so much so it caught Aideed offguard. It was Majeerteen who said no to various darood clans coming up with the idea of expelling Hawiye from gaalkacyo once and for all and to begin pushing south towards xamar. And yet at the same time, wasn't it Majeerteen leadership who acted as lackeys for Amahara and Tigray, even going so far as giving up ONLF fighters to the Ethiopians for torture and inviting the Habesha, our arch nemesis to xamar, enabling them - for the first time in world history - to capture our coasts, something their kings have been yearning for centuries? So can Majeerteen have no cuqdad and be a source of goodwill with their political establishment having sheeshiye tendencies?

Both can be true!

Was it not Hawiye that destroyed xamar, looted the treasuries, gang raped girls inside mosques, dismantled and sold our sewage systems and electrical power stations as well as our industrial facilities to the Middle East? But when Abgaal/Mudulood said enough is enough to the war and looting, did peace not finally return to the south? With some semblance of government being achieved thanks to the goodwill and leadership of the Hawiye people? Wasn't it HabarGidir mothers who shielded and offered protection to Majeerteen when they were being hunted down like dogs by the red berets?

Both can be true!

Was Siad Barre a brutal tyrant dictator who massacred people, did everything in his power to remain president by pitting various clans one against the other? And yet at the onset of his administration, wasn't he the greatest Somali leader we ever had to date, honestly? Did he not call for Somaliweyne, inspiring a generation that was mere kilometers from taking Addis Ababa, had it not been for the Ethiopian government receiving support from the Soviet world (half the planet) to quell our fight for sovereignty over the Ogaden region? Mind you, we were 4 million compared to Ethiopia's 40, we put up that much of a fight outnumbered 10 to 1, what modern African leader has ever achieved that milestone against those odds? Did he refuse to pillage the treasury and leave the infrastructure intact, even when threatening he wasn't going to?

Both can be true!

Was it not Isaaq fighting on the behalf of Ethiopia (SNM) using civilians as collateral then using that fact to galvanise support from their brethren to topple the Kacaan? And yet didn't they fight for Somaliweyne by sacrificing their daughters and sons to free the Ogaden? Wasn't Hargesia considered a crucial forward operating base that played an important part in the war? Upon the independence of Somaliland, did they not hoist up that blue flag and come to join us on the grounds of kinship and love, even when they weren't OBLIGATED to?

Both can be true!

My point is that once you start with 'clan A did this' and 'clan B did that', you are part of the problem (not referring to you). EVERY clan has it's good and bad, and IMO the good outweighs the bad. This is why Somali politics is so frustrating, there's zero nuance to anything. What we can all agree on is that Somali men have failed, utterly FAILED in establishing a government in the 90's, and the fruits of their labour - lack of it really - are still being played out today in 2021.

qabiilada somalida waxay leeyihiin kuwo ilbax ah iyo kuwo reer baadiye ah hadii reer baadiyaha qabsadaan dhib ay keenee

anoo la kaftamaaya walaalaha isaaq hada ka hor aa mid saaxiibkey ah in real life oo reer jeegaan ah systemkooda iiga sheekeeyay dhaqaalo ahaan iyo siyaasad ahaan deegaan ahaan wuxuu isiiyay marka sawir ah in jeegaanta ay yihiin kuwa ilbaxa ah hadeey timaado carabtii iyo hindidii iyo cusmaaniyiintii iyo ingiriiskii soo galay deegaanadooda oo hadana dhaqaalaha iyo ganacsatada u badan yihiin

dhanka kale taageerayaasha wadani oo u badan qabiil nomadic ah oo aad u balaaran min ceerigaabo ilaa hawdka itoobiya tan oo keentay inta badan ka shaqeeyaan contrabandka iyo tahriibka outlated activitieska marka hadii ay xunkunka qabsadaan waxaa dumi kara xadaaradii waana waxa Xamar ka dhacay hadaan la kaftamo qaar ka mid ah oo baahnaa waxay noqotey inay sharci darada system ka dhigtaan

sidoo kale Daaroodka waxay qabaan kuwo system federalism aamisan sida MJ oo aamisan mar hadii 91kii hantidoodii xamar ka soo tageen oo saxarahoodii iska xaarxaarteen ooy dawlad iyo magaalooyin shidan ka dhisteen in mar danbe loo noqon dawlad aruursan iyo wixii hore iyo kuwo askar ah oo archaic ah oo aamisan wixii shalay burburka keenay waa wax xataa hawiye ka gudbeen oo hada aamisan banaadirland iyo Hirshabelle iyo Galmudug. hawiyihii aa hada leh war nimanyahow aan sharciga iyo dastuurka ku dhaqano oo diiday qori iyo dagaal hadeey ka baxsan waayaan

marka mushkilad dhaqan ah ayaa qabiilkaste ka dhex jirta

Sahal, qabiil is the main issue plaguing Somalia, my problem is when others point the finger and put the blame on one clan or group of clans as the source of all their problems.

Majeerteen upon being betrayed by the USC - who killed innocent civilians in the dead cover of night in gaalkacyo - chose to compromise on the grounds of walaalnimo, so much so it caught Aideed offguard. It was Majeerteen who said no to various darood clans coming up with the idea of expelling Hawiye from gaalkacyo once and for all and to begin pushing south towards xamar. And yet at the same time, wasn't it Majeerteen leadership who acted as lackeys for Amahara and Tigray, even going so far as giving up ONLF fighters to the Ethiopians for torture and inviting the Habesha, our arch nemesis to xamar, enabling them - for the first time in world history - to capture our coasts, something their kings have been yearning for centuries? So can Majeerteen have no cuqdad and be a source of goodwill with their political establishment having sheeshiye tendencies?

Both can be true!

Was it not Hawiye that destroyed xamar, looted the treasuries, gang raped girls inside mosques, dismantled and sold our sewage systems and electrical power stations as well as our industrial facilities to the Middle East? But when Abgaal/Mudulood said enough is enough to the war and looting, did peace not finally return to the south? With some semblance of government being achieved thanks to the goodwill and leadership of the Hawiye people? Wasn't it HabarGidir mothers who shielded and offered protection to Majeerteen when they were being hunted down like dogs by the red berets?

Both can be true!

Was Siad Barre a brutal tyrant dictator who massacred people, did everything in his power to remain president by pitting various clans one against the other? And yet at the onset of his administration, wasn't he the greatest Somali leader we ever had to date, honestly? Did he not call for Somaliweyne, inspiring a generation that was mere kilometers from taking Addis Ababa, had it not been for the Ethiopian government receiving support from the Soviet world (half the planet) to quell our fight for sovereignty over the Ogaden region? Mind you, we were 4 million compared to Ethiopia's 40, we put up that much of a fight outnumbered 10 to 1, what modern African leader has ever achieved that milestone against those odds? Did he refuse to pillage the treasury and leave the infrastructure intact, even when threatening he wasn't going to?

Both can be true!

Was it not Isaaq fighting on the behalf of Ethiopia (SNM) using civilians as collateral then using that fact to galvanise support from their brethren to topple the Kacaan? And yet didn't they fight for Somaliweyne by sacrificing their daughters and sons to free the Ogaden? Wasn't Hargesia considered a crucial forward operating base that played an important part in the war? Upon the independence of Somaliland, did they not hoist up that blue flag and come to join us on the grounds of kinship and love, even when they weren't OBLIGATED to?

Both can be true!

My point is that once you start with 'clan A did this' and 'clan B did that', you are part of the problem (not referring to you). EVERY clan has it's good and bad, and IMO the good outweighs the bad. This is why Somali politics is so frustrating, there's zero nuance to anything. What we can all agree on is that Somali men have failed, utterly FAILED in establishing a government in the 90's, and the fruits of their labour - lack of it really - are still being played out today in 2021.

The last generation of Somali men failed. And are currently failing and are foreign pawns. Somali women have no monopoly on violence in a patriarchal society. I would even prefer female leadership over this gunimo. Remember the youth are the majority now. It’s them leading this revolution to push aside the failures that we call Somali men as of now. If you can’t question your leadership or even change it. What’s the point of following them? This is why you see the aggressive nature of the youth. Youth doesn’t respect stagnancy. Somalia is stagnant due to the old men who profited off our misery the last 30 years. It’s time to cut their heads off. Being nice gets you nothing

SHACABKA MAJEERTEN WA WALAALO DHABA

bruh sna beat the f outa SSDF. then dey throw in da towel

budhcad land call dat appeasement

WadaniggaBarakaysan,

It’s funny, MSB AUN was hosting Meles Zenawi in Mogadishu propping up TPLF, while also supporting Eritrean independence. Both happened 1991, while the Somali Gov collapsed 1991. If the Somali Government didn’t collapse, and held on JUST MONTHS LONGER Somalia might have had puppets in Addis Ababa, Asmara, with a Djibouti surviving a little longer. Completely alternative scenario.

Or if the Somali rebels a la Meles Zenawi actually had a plan for their country, they would have dislodged the MSB AUN Gov easily without destroying the Government institutions that were still pretty much in tact the way Meles Zenawi did Mengistu. Crazy 1991 two Governments in East Africa fell, one got up quickly while the other never recovered.


I lived in the biggest Ethiopian diaspora community, with former Eithopian Gov officials who used to sit in in meeting plotting how to destroy the MSB regime. I heard one time Meles Zenawi was told ‘hey the Somali Government hosted, and supported you why did you return their help by destroying them and keeping them down?’ Meles responded responded by saying they only supported me because he wanted we (Ethiopia) to become like them (Somalia). Ouch, but it’s true. Today 2021 With Ethiopia still going through turmoil, the Somali military having made huge strides, and with stable international friendships i.e Turkey, Qatar, Russia, hopefully by the time Ethiopia is done with their issues and turns an eye to Somalia we will be much better equipped to at least make it less of a subservient relationship as has been the case since the civil war.


Last but not least Qadar Allah Ma Shaa A’facal. As has come in Hadith saying would’ve, could’ve, should’ve opens the doors of Shaydaan of despair in Allah mercy, depression, regret, etc. I just said all that for a ironic piece of history. In Shaa Allah only think forward the past is the past!

Somalia can only survive with two ways:

1) A Somali government that consists of ONE clan (like Rwanda or like Ethiopia's TPLF), where the country's military power is in the hands of ONE clan and that clan has the support of the International Community.

2) A Somali government that is diverse and has the support of the world's strongest and most powerful nations. This will cease any and all possibilities for any Somali clan to pick up arms and challenge the government because no nation will be allowed to support any dissidents inside Somalia.

That's why I support linking Somalia so tight with Uncle Sam, we compete with the Philippines as the 54th State of America.

Obviously Israel already has the 51 position, followed by Taiwan and South Korea as the 52nd and 53rd States.

But seriously, I would lock Somalia's arms and legs so tight next to Uncle Sam---let him have the whole and since we can't starve next to him, have us eat together like happened in Isreal, Taiwan, and South Korea.

Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam---he's our man!

That's why I support linking Somalia so tight with Uncle Sam, we compete with the Philippines as the 54th State of America.

Obviously Israel already has the 51 position, followed by Taiwan and South Korea as the 52nd and 53rd States.

But seriously, I would lock Somalia's arms and legs so tight next to Uncle Sam---let him have the whole and since we can't starve next to him, have us eat together like happened in Isreal, Taiwan, and South Korea.

Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam---he's our man!

Uncle Sam is the only choice everyone has.