YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST; AMERICANS ARE BEHIND JANAN MOVE, "PRESSURE TO MADOOBE"

[Gubbet]

1. First read this topic;
   
   https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=402510
2. Just yesterday I said there "WILL" be a price to pay for Madoobe/Deni for not starting the meeting with the rest.
3. Read my answer to Grandpa when I said "what" this price is will be unpredictable----powers that be will calibrate it based on discretion.
4. Now I received xog the Americans are responsible for what suddenly happened and it is supposed to be "come to Jesus" moment for Madoobe.
5. It is supposed to say the "airs you are putting on may be a little bit above your precarious situation."
6. Without Madoobe, Deni is a mere bystander who would already be sitting on the other table.
7. To what extent is Kenya's role besides "allowing" this to happen I still do not know yet but I will not be surprised to be surprised by what I further find out.
8. Make no mistake assuming Janan moved without Kenya's express permission to do so because he couldn't without it.
9. Kagwanja and group might be out there howling in failure, but their disappointed boss Kenya signalled the end of one strategy and the beginning of another when it withdrew from the ICJ.

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

America can easily change Somalia's entire political stalemate. It just doesn't want to. Heck, America can force Muuse Bixi, Deni and Madoobe to land in Mogadishu and bow down to Farmaajo within 24 hours, but it just doesn't want to. I don't know why. Somalia is not in the shit-hole it is in because of Somalis, but rather it is meant to be where it is because of the major world powers (US, EU, England, etc).

[Sbashi]

I will tell you Kenya's role. Kenya used an unnamed foreign country to negotiate with Somalia. After somalia refused to negotiate with Kenya. Somalia had conditions before any talks begin: 1. Stop interfering in Somalia's affairs. 2.Bring back Janan and his troops. 3.Stop pressuring Madoobe. 4. Open Ceelwaaq airport. among many other conditions.
Kenya agreed to all of that. And yesterday kikuyu officers came to mandheera and told Janan to go back and negotiate with his people. They called madoobe and told him from now on there is 0 support from us. Agree with your president. Madoobe called deni and told him let's just sign. They didn't agree and deni left. Madoobe claimed he is sick and needs treatment.

Adan barre duale and wiliam ruto called Madoobe and told him, "harden yourself and stay put". But he wasn't convinced. This is the situation right now.

[grandpakhalif]

I will tell you Kenya's role. Kenya used an unnamed foreign country to negotiate with Somalia. After somalia refused to negotiate with Kenya. Somalia had conditions before any talks begin: 1. Stop interfering in Somalia's affairs. 2.Bring back Janan and his troops. 3.Stop pressuring Madoobe. 4. Open Ceelwaaq airport. among many other conditions.
Kenya agreed to all of that. And yesterday kikuyu officers came to mandheera and told Janan to go back and negotiate with his people. They called madoobe and told him from now on there is 0 support from us. Agree with your president. Madoobe called deni and told him let's just sign. They didn't agree and deni left. Madoobe claimed he is sick and needs treatment.

Adan barre duale and wiliam ruto called Madoobe and told him, "harden yourself and stay put". But he wasn't convinced. This is the situation right now.

So the Kikiyus gave up and essentially admitted defeat but the hardcore Ogaden Sujuis didnt? Hahahah. This is interesting

[Murax]

America can easily change Somalia's entire political stalemate. It just doesn't want to. Heck, America can force Muuse Bixi, Deni and Madoobe to land in Mogadishu and bow down to Farmaajo within 24 hours, but it just doesn't want to. I don't know why. Somalia is not in the shit-hole it is in because of Somalis, but rather it is meant to be where it is because of the major world powers (US, EU, England, etc).

Agree. Non democratic despot regimes like UAE, others are held together by these powers. I don’t think America has to send a ‘strong signal’ to Deni, Madoobe, Madasha. They just have to give a order, and they will be there in minutes. I sense a ‘playing all sides’ from these Beesha Caalamka fools, yet Somalis are to short sighted to realize. If there is one thing I like about N&N the most is they did the most compared to previous regimes on at least having multiple allies to not have to March to the decades old US/EU beat. There is still a long way to go.

[Murax]

America can easily change Somalia's entire political stalemate. It just doesn't want to. Heck, America can force Muuse Bixi, Deni and Madoobe to land in Mogadishu and bow down to Farmaajo within 24 hours, but it just doesn't want to. I don't know why. Somalia is not in the shit-hole it is in because of Somalis, but rather it is meant to be where it is because of the major world powers (US, EU, England, etc).

[Sbashi]

I will tell you Kenya's role. Kenya used an unnamed foreign country to negotiate with Somalia. After somalia refused to negotiate with Kenya. Somalia had conditions before any talks begin: 1. Stop interfering in Somalia's affairs. 2.Bring back Janan and his troops. 3.Stop pressuring Madoobe. 4. Open Ceelwaaq airport. among many other conditions.
Kenya agreed to all of that. And yesterday kikuyu officers came to mandheera and told Janan to go back and negotiate with his people. They called madoobe and told him from now on there is 0 support from us. Agree with your president. Madoobe called deni and told him let's just sign. They didn't agree and deni left. Madoobe claimed he is sick and needs treatment.

Adan barre duale and wiliam ruto called Madoobe and told him, "harden yourself and stay put". But he wasn't convinced. This is the situation right now.

So the Kikiyus gave up and essentially admitted defeat but the hardcore Ogaden Sujuis didnt? Hahahah. This is interesting

Yes. They are thinking with their qabyaalad infected mind, but it won't save them. It's over.

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

America can easily change Somalia's entire political stalemate. It just doesn't want to. Heck, America can force Muuse Bixi, Deni and Madoobe to land in Mogadishu and bow down to Farmaajo within 24 hours, but it just doesn't want to. I don't know why. Somalia is not in the shit-hole it is in because of Somalis, but rather it is meant to be where it is because of the major world powers (US, EU, England, etc).

Agree. Non democratic despot regimes like UAE, others are held together by these powers. I don’t think America has to send a ‘strong signal’ to Deni, Madoobe, Madasha. They just have to give a order, and they will be there in minutes. I sense a ‘playing all sides’ from these Beesha Caalamka fools, yet Somalis are to short sighted to realize. If there is one thing I like about N&N the most is they did the most compared to previous regimes on at least having multiple allies to not have to March to the decades old US/EU beat. There is still a long way to go.

What I don't understand is this. If America is allowing Somalia to be in the shit-hole it is in, then what's stopping Russia or China to directly intervene in Somalia? I feel like Russia, China and America (NATO) have come to agreement as to what country belongs to who and Somalia is a property of NATO/America. Russia and China will never intervene in Somalia's affairs nor will they ever take part in rebuilding Somalia except if they are given permission by the landlords that own Somalia and that's America and NATO.

Bixi, Deni, Madoobe, Farmaajo and any politician or political group in Somalia are under the same payroll. America/NATO.

[Gubbet]

Honestly just take a basic 101 International Diplomacy course--online maybe?

It's like asking the diamond/water paradox... If we need water to survive and can live without djamonds, why are diamonds gazillion times more expensive.

Someone can give a surface explanation, but it is fundamental to so much of human commerce that you should probably learn substantively.

Yes the US is powerful, no the US doesn't just waltz in and grab you by the throat... There is an entire scientific track in diplomacy dealing with coercion or getting your way

Go and read about it for a bit with all due respect