Clan alliances between the gluf states

[sahal80]

The Tribal Sheiks in the persian Gulf are different than the Somali Garaads or Ugaases they r the ruling Sultans who operate as authority figures with power and represent the regime while there has been no Islamic state in Somalia throughout history instead we r a pastoral community that does not know a system of government. There is another difference but some Somali clans and tribes knew this type of dealings which is dealing with the colonial countries that recognized them as protectorates but the Arab tribes are more than a century and a half older than the Somali ones since the seventeenth century when they started to deviate from the obedience of the Ottomans. Among them are the Najdi tribes from northern Saudi Arabia in which the capital of Riyadh is located and the Wahabi movement also emerged from it. They allied themselvies with the Europeans against the Ottomans and the tribe of Banu Khaled that was running the Northern and Eastern parts of the Arabian Peninsula such as northern Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain on behalf of the Ottomans. so Kuwait and Bahrain rulers origins are from Najd from the عتبه tribe who came to power in their countries with the help of the Saudi family so you find a special relationship between these three countries to the point that Saudi Arabia annexed Bahrain to protect the ruling family from Its Ajami and Persian origin people who follow the Shiite sect.

The Saudi Arabia’s historical regional competitor was the Emirates not Qatar as is happening now. The UAE is made up of seven Arab sheikhdoms and was trying to include Qatar and Bahrain to be the 8 and 9 Emirates under Sheikh Zayed especially Qatar to be the eighth Emirate because there are tribal societies on the borders of Qatar with Saudi Arabia that r claimed by the UAE so the latter tried to build a sea bridge between it and Qatar but Saudi Arabia prevented it at a time when the UAE was in a weak position in the seventies saying that these marine waters belong to Saudi Arabia. When the Europeans arrived in the region, Abu Dhabi and Dubai were ruled by one family but they became two separate branches the al Nahyan and ala maktoum ruling families of Abu dhabi and Dubai

old ruling clan under the ottomans
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Khalid

Dubai and abudhabi tribe. These two have the right to veto any national policy so if they don't agree to anything, it will not be passed on.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Yas

wahabi Ala sheekh and the the ruling qatari family tribe. There is a tribal overlap between Qatar and Saudi Arabia while the Bani Tamim tribe rules Qatar it was historically allied with the Saud family and manages religious affairs such as the religious police and the Scholars Council such led by Muhammad bin Al-Uthaimin who are the grandson of Muhammad Abdul-Wahhab so Qatar supported their largest branch and the mother the Banin Tamim of Saudi Arabia while Saudi Arabia supported the second largest tribe in Qatar that dwell in the border between the two countries, so that two are playing with fire
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Tamim


Najdi origin Kuwait and bahrain ruling tribe
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Utbah

[SunFromNorth]

Thanks for posting that seems like another group of naked savages no understanding of a modern state

[Miscellaneous]

Somalis, due to acquiring so much wealth and being stubbornly hard-headed, have never thought of the idea of uniting under one state (until recently), because they thought it was unnecessary. It's quite obvious why they would have a significant difference in alliances, because they do not view each other as one.

Great find, btw.

[mahoka]

Somalis, due to acquiring so much wealth and being stubbornly hard-headed, have never thought of the idea of uniting under one state (until recently), because they thought it was unnecessary. It's quite obvious why they would have a significant difference in alliances, because they do not view each other as one.

Great find, btw.

Somalis are like Arabs, some similarities in languages and religions but deep down they are different groups of people so they can’t be one nation or state.

[sahal80]

Thanks for posting that seems like another group of naked savages no understanding of a modern state

No i don't think so They are an absolute monarchy and their citizens earn a higher salary than those in western countries and most of them do not pay taxes and have Indian and Asian maids. Secondly, because of the western oil interests, the British and the Americans helped them draw their tribal borders so that they would not fight over them and there were quasi-state structures that paved the way for their unity. When you are in the Emirates except Abu Dhabi, you would see Emirates on the coast with no much distance between them same distance between Xamar and Afgooye or Afgooye and Marka or Jawhar and Xamar and each one has its own laws, its borders with the other, and an absolute ruler. The UAE is the most successful experiment in history.


"The Trucial States Council was a forum for the leaders of the emirates to meet, presided over by the British Political Agent. The first meetings took place in 1952"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trucial_States


"each emirate reserves considerable powers, including control over mineral rights (notably oil) and revenues. In this milieu, federal powers have developed slowly as each Emirate already had its own existing institutions of government prior to the country's official foundation"


"The UAE consists of seven emirates and was founded on 2 December 1971 as a federation. Six of the seven emirates (Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman, Umm Al Quwain and Fujairah) combined on that date. The seventh, Ras al Khaimah, joined the federation on 10 February 1972"

only Abu dhabi 1960



now 7


this is like Galkacyo wich divides Mj and HG but look how different they look


the Emirate that no longer rely on oil

[Nubis]

[SunFromNorth]

But Sahal if the Gulf states did not have the wealth there will be clan wars and failed nations right ? even now in Kuwait the Sunni and Shia are hating on each other in the parliament

the US army is keeping them from killing each other

[sahal80]

But Sahal if the Gulf states did not have the wealth there will be clan wars and failed nations right ? even now in Kuwait the Sunni and Shia are hating on each other in the parliament

the US army is keeping them from killing each other

Gulf Tribes are going extinct alot of cities, park and gardens, companies and national instititions have been built in their lands. this tribe is going extinct soon they dwell between Saudi and Jordan. they use tribe only for formalities these days but unlike us the person will carry the name of his tribe as his surname but no more tribal lands

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inde ... html%3famp

Saudia Arabia normalization with israel project

Future Abu dhabi

New trade routes bc of Iran controlling yemen they also want to get access tp the indian ocean i will talk about it another time both projects


looks look you havent been to dubai.

[sahal80]

Gulf arabs are very interesting in the Somali sea and indian ocean and socotra island bc Iran controls
hormuz strait and Bab al mandab strait from the Yemen side. they said fuck yemen let us annex hadramout and socotra this is why UAE is occupying the Island for trade purposes.
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=366820

[SunFromNorth]

Sahal what happened to the Large Somali Expat community of the 1980s UAE ? they are gone now

[Phinks]

Somalis, due to acquiring so much wealth and being stubbornly hard-headed, have never thought of the idea of uniting under one state (until recently), because they thought it was unnecessary. It's quite obvious why they would have a significant difference in alliances, because they do not view each other as one.

Great find, btw.

Somalis are like Arabs, some similarities in languages and religions but deep down they are different groups of people so they can’t be one nation or state.

This is so stupid I can't even wrap my head around it, the German clans always ruled as kingdom (sultunate) states until Bismark united them and were known as the poets of Europe, sound familiar?

All these nations when looking at it from world history are recent and started as a 'game of thrones' so to speak. U.S and Australia started off as states, Canada provinces, Europe cities etc Japan itself is another perfect example, 100 years of clan wars and now look at them today, you would never think these are the same people that would skin children from a rivaling clan alive.

It's simple, constant war will always lead to unity and innovation or at the very least mutual understanding, and mutual understanding = POLITICAL MATURITY, something Somalis LACK. As Somalis we were about to have our 'game of thrones' moment, Dir (Biimaal) were in the makings of establishing another sultunate and making huge progress in engineering before the Italians dismantled it by force, darood were more than likely to merge as a kingdom (Ogadeniya, Juba and Majeerteeniya combined into one state) and expand as far as Mt Kilimanjaro, Isaaq could have been living in Eritrea today but colonisation promptly put a stop to all that.

I've always maintained that colonisation saved east Africa from Somali expansion, these Africans should be thanking these cadaans for saving them. As for Somali unification, never say never. The old guard are already on their deathbeds and croaking daily, too many people have seen what these so called qabiil proponents have achieved, nothing but destruction and shame, maybe not now it's not possible but it is INEVITABLE.

[sahal80]

Sahal what happened to the Large Somali Expat community of the 1980s UAE ? they are gone now

majority of the old folks are isaaqs who r concentrated in Sharja and Ras al Khaimah who r ruled by Al qasimi Family. Al Qasimi are originally from Oman and established themselves as Sharifs who have the right to rule the local people but the Sultan of Oman waged war against them so Al qawasim asked Somalis help and started recruting them as soldiers. The ruler of Sharjah is a down to earth educated and historian pro sharia and he resisted normalizing with Israel.

in the old Dubai there is somali market سوق الصومال in Deira these r the new ones alot of them are HG and hawiye who control Xamar business and same who came back from Europe and America Harti Daarood have also old and new comers.
UAE: Sharjah royal slams normalization with Israel
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/ua ... el/2127470
These r isaaqs from berbera. author is the Sharja ruler. it has alot of simali good kids and imams and i want to move to here for that reason


Al qawasim historical relationship with waqooyi Somalis
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qasimi

[Murax]

For someone who lives in the Gulf most of the year, Somalia are nothing like Gulf Arabs. I like to consider myself as very observant so this is what I notice:

-Due to severely harsh climate, little rain, shortness of livestock they always had less appetite for war, anarchy, unlike Somalis who are blessed with good land, that allows them the kibir to fight over little stuff. You’ll be in a whole Khutbah there talking about conserving water. Even with the Ottomons many Gulf tribes were reluctant to fight, the Britts had to use a lot or effort orchestrating.

-Gulf Arabs are more degan, less feisty, than Somalia, but on the flipside have way less pride than Somalis. A Somali who is about to die if hunger, will look at a Gaal like ‘yaa tahay adiga’ while Gulf Arabs will literally worship them. This is a very unique trait of Somalis that I find extremely fascinating. I think it’s because Somalis Historically were a very closed society who didn’t deal with outsiders. They have a lot of pride that when you channel it the right way they could do amazing things. A nation like Somalia of 8 million was minutes from capturing Addis Ababa, the capital of a nation of like a hundred million. Even today after decades of lawlessness, Somalis are going tit for tat with Kenya at the courts.

-Again due to living in very rough conditions, they have more of a culture of obeying a king, ruler, etc, and war is a last result. In all Gulf countries they make Dua for the ruler ‘اللهم وفق ولي عهـدنا إلي ما تحب و ترضي، اللهم البسه لباس الصحة و العافية' etc

Somalis are way more likely to inkaar a ruler nacalaa hebel

[sahal80]

For someone who lives in the Gulf most of the year, Somalia are nothing like Gulf Arabs. I like to consider myself as very observant so this is what I notice:

-Due to severely harsh climate, little rain, shortness of livestock they always had less appetite for war, anarchy, unlike Somalis who are blessed with good land, that allows them the kibir to fight over little stuff. You’ll be in a whole Khutbah there talking about conserving water. Even with the Ottomons many Gulf tribes were reluctant to fight, the Britts had to use a lot or effort orchestrating.

-Gulf Arabs are more degan, less feisty, than Somalia, but on the flipside have way less pride than Somalis. A Somali who is about to die if hunger, will look at a Gaal like ‘yaa tahay adiga’ while Gulf Arabs will literally worship them. This is a very unique trait of Somalis that I find extremely fascinating. I think it’s because Somalis Historically were a very closed society who didn’t deal with outsiders. They have a lot of pride that when you channel it the right way they could do amazing things. A nation like Somalia of 8 million was minutes from capturing Addis Ababa, the capital of a nation of like a hundred million. Even today after decades of lawlessness, Somalis are going tit for tat with Kenya at the courts.

-Again due to living in very rough conditions, they have more of a culture of obeying a king, ruler, etc, and war is a last result. In all Gulf countries they make Dua for the ruler ‘اللهم وفق ولي عهـدنا إلي ما تحب و ترضي، اللهم البسه لباس الصحة و العافية' etc

Somalis are way more likely to inkaar a ruler nacalaa hebel

politicizing every thing Kenya maxaa keenay
they relay on desalination. money talks here. they have less animals than us but have more milk because of maximising milk yield per cow. there is no more bedouin days sii soco soo soco they have. dairy farms abd companies. war niyahow dadkaas iyo Somali wax la isku matalo maaha i think you lived in Saudiga wich is a big country but they have green side like abha and Tihama mountains in the south and finalliy you heard the Saudi green initiative these days.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/saudi ... 50968.html
من علامات الساعة Return of Arabia to Being Full of Pastures & Rivers


dubai desalination


cloud seeding

[SunFromNorth]

Sahal

Woow interesting we Somalis were even dealing with Omanis both in independence wars and business, the Omanis I have meet were wonderful elderly men they seem like the Arabs that loves Somalis most. Yeah the Gulf is rich but a small poor Eastern European nation like Latvia is way more sophisticated regarding Ethnic Nationalism, loyalty towards the state, educated people, political ideologies. Horta how come Saudis are such evil people ? its the only Arab nation where Somalis are beaten by their boss.