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Re: Gubbet Come In

Postby Gubbet » Thu May 13, 2021 7:18 am

Saddam-

There is a lot of truth in what you said (for instance that the foreign policy of a nation is guided iby nterest first and formost---basically no one is in Somalia entirely motivated by charity), but what makes those truths altogether incapable of uniting to form the conclusion you did is the presence of a FALSE ASSUMPTION we Somalis are under because of our inability to see OUR OWN CONTRADICTION.

Our own contradiction ;

Heaven can't tell me NOT to destroy Somalia if I feel my clan's interests are at stake.


Saddam, there was an element of jest, but the number of times you essentially predicted recently that you are going to wage war against any governments that come deemed to be pro-Madoobe or against Marehan interests was cardinal truth.

I would wage war against them too---and so would Murax. Essentially, fock "Somalia's" interests and who ever is eating if it comes at the something we feel is at the EXPENSE of Marehan. I could give two hoots what "Somalia" even is as a matter of fact in that situation.

BURN IT ALL.It's not like we were eating anways.

So taking this understanding of OUR OWN CONTRADICTION into consideration, let's go back and look at the FLASE ASSUMPTION hiding in your post

The false assumption;

"Someone" has to tell Somalis to destroy Somalia.


No Saddam, no "one" has to tell Somalis to destroy Somalia.

No one has to "tell" Sahal to destroy Somalia. No one has to "tell" us to destroy Somalia.

He is doing it because his clan's interests are at stake as he sees it and we would do no less if not more if we were in the opposition and felt as he needed.

Let's separate the pebbles from the sand. Sure there's some sand stuck to the rock, but that's because of the presence of a little bit of moisture---it is not because pebbles stick to sand.

The world isn't in Somalia for just "charity," but that doesn t mean our situation and state is caused by nything to do with multilateralism and world order.

The problem at the heart is lack of resources and as you know I am not entirely convinced Somalia even has commercial prospects of minerals and oul as we sometimes like to imagine.

In combination with climate change, I think there is a need to understand just how precarious Somalia's situation is and even be grateful to the fact the world IS showing admirable dedication to allievating some of the negative effects of what is going on.

I think Somalia's LIKELIEST path to success is being a Singapore or Taiwan than a Saudi Arabia or Qatar.

Read that as a person is MORE LIKELIER to become a Doctor than an NBA player.

Somalia has been searched for 80 years now and there has beem nothing to show for it. No single memorable discovery.

Conversely, Somalia can galvanize the entire society, work on revamping education and produce a a transformational tech literate society that can easily join the information economy in one generation like Taiwan and Singapore.

This is the most likeliest and realistic path to success for Somalia.

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Postby Khalid Ali » Thu May 13, 2021 8:03 am

Excellent point gubbet well written post. Well thought of great arguments. Especially the part that Somalia downfall is and was the responsibility of somalis. I have been saying that for years somalis love to blame others surely as u said they have interest and there is no charity. But the lion share of Somalia downfall is because of somalis and their lack of understanding how a modern state nation can operate in the 20th century. Again excellent post and. U put it in perspective nothing to further add.

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Re: Gubbet Come In

Postby ReturnOfMariixmaan » Thu May 13, 2021 10:22 am

Saddam-

There is a lot of truth in what you said (for instance that the foreign policy of a nation is guided iby nterest first and formost---basically no one is in Somalia entirely motivated by charity), but what makes those truths altogether incapable of uniting to form the conclusion you did is the presence of a FALSE ASSUMPTION we Somalis are under because of our inability to see OUR OWN CONTRADICTION.

Our own contradiction ;

Heaven can't tell me NOT to destroy Somalia if I feel my clan's interests are at stake.


Saddam, there was an element of jest, but the number of times you essentially predicted recently that you are going to wage war against any governments that come deemed to be pro-Madoobe or against Marehan interests was cardinal truth.

I would wage war against them too---and so would Murax. Essentially, fock "Somalia's" interests and who ever is eating if it comes at the something we feel is at the EXPENSE of Marehan. I could give two hoots what "Somalia" even is as a matter of fact in that situation.

BURN IT ALL.It's not like we were eating anways.

So taking this understanding of OUR OWN CONTRADICTION into consideration, let's go back and look at the FLASE ASSUMPTION hiding in your post

The false assumption;

"Someone" has to tell Somalis to destroy Somalia.


No Saddam, no "one" has to tell Somalis to destroy Somalia.

No one has to "tell" Sahal to destroy Somalia. No one has to "tell" us to destroy Somalia.

He is doing it because his clan's interests are at stake as he sees it and we would do no less if not more if we were in the opposition and felt as he needed.

Let's separate the pebbles from the sand. Sure there's some sand stuck to the rock, but that's because of the presence of a little bit of moisture---it is not because pebbles stick to sand.

The world isn't in Somalia for just "charity," but that doesn t mean our situation and state is caused by nything to do with multilateralism and world order.

The problem at the heart is lack of resources and as you know I am not entirely convinced Somalia even has commercial prospects of minerals and oul as we sometimes like to imagine.

In combination with climate change, I think there is a need to understand just how precarious Somalia's situation is and even be grateful to the fact the world IS showing admirable dedication to allievating some of the negative effects of what is going on.

I think Somalia's LIKELIEST path to success is being a Singapore or Taiwan than a Saudi Arabia or Qatar.

Read that as a person is MORE LIKELIER to become a Doctor than an NBA player.

Somalia has been searched for 80 years now and there has beem nothing to show for it. No single memorable discovery.

Conversely, Somalia can galvanize the entire society, work on revamping education and produce a a transformational tech literate society that can easily join the information economy in one generation like Taiwan and Singapore.

This is the most likeliest and realistic path to success for Somalia.

I never hide my clan bias - I’m honest about it. Ofc I understand your point about foreigners using our grudges to their agenda. I get that, but it’s mostly the weak coastal clans who have no military prowess to stand up to their superior kin and kith. But once you use a foreign state and it’s military apparatus on civilians - civilians from my region. I owe no explanation to anybody. There’s no logic in seeing your own being killed in front of you and the whole world, and it’s normalized. You’re right it’s all about clan. And Somalis are hypocrites who are the biggest liars - most critically themselves. They deserve this humiliation, they brought it upon themselves. In a generation, Xabashi will be forcing us to speak Af Amxaaro anyways, it’s all mute. What I say and support is out of self defense. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Re: Gubbet Come In

Postby Gubbet » Thu May 13, 2021 4:17 pm

Excellent point gubbet well written post. Well thought of great arguments. Especially the part that Somalia downfall is and was the responsibility of somalis. I have been saying that for years somalis love to blame others surely as u said they have interest and there is no charity. But the lion share of Somalia downfall is because of somalis and their lack of understanding how a modern state nation can operate in the 20th century. Again excellent post and. U put it in perspective nothing to further add.
Why thank you. Intriguingly--coming to identify and then understand our great CONTRADICTION noted above, and how helpless, even pathetically weak we (and I) are in front of it----is quite literally what informed the change of perspective that I had concerning your own Somaliland and even SNM.

It is extremy difficult to cast rocks at people when your house is the definition of "glass."


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