deefow skirmish is the turning point for somali civil war

[Nomand]

for the first time a bantu clan in somalia, hiiraan, beledweyne district have defeated an hawiye clan (jijeele who where being helped by xawaadle)

the whole conflict was about a rural town deefow 25km north of beledweyne. Makane who live in the city wanted to build a bridge since the town itself is split by the river. jijeele and xawaadle opposed it. jijeele then attacked makane(bantu) and where defeated in an unprecedented way.

because of al shabaab, somali bantus today are battle hardened and armed to the teeth. they are no longer the miskiin poor farmer who you could just oppress.

xawaadle are against the bridge for two reasons.

1) the new bridge will be in competition to the bridge in beledweyne
2) they are against DIR using it and they fear DIR would cross the river and attack beledweyne from two sides.

but one thing is clear beesha jareerweyne will soon go from 0.5 to 1, they have gone from being an unarmed clan to an armed clan.

[Kees70]

Jijele and Makanne have been fighting fiercely over Deefow and many other issues, one of those other issue is also the DC of Howlwadaag of Beledweyne who Jareer took its DC, bear in mind Beledweyne consists of four urban Districts namely Bundoweyn, Howlwadag, Hawo Tako and Kooshin so every clan within Baledwyne wants its own DC.

Basically Jareerweyne are carving their little mini-state.

[Nomand]

kees here is a xawaadle guy explaining why they are against the bridge being build in Deefow.

[Kees70]

Walaalgey Nomand, Beesha Xawaadle waa rageedi if they are fighting for their interest in sabotaging the Jareerweyne Bridge, having an extra bridge built to compete with their monopoly Bridge is an outright an Hegemonial challenge to their dominance in Hiiraan.

Every clans either fights for recognition of their rights or to safeguard their interest, the Beesha Makaane Jareerweyne falls in the first criteria that is fighting for their basic rights.

[paperino]

For a long time, 0.5 folks have been marginalized, discriminated against, their rights violated, their farms robbed or burned, belittled, etc. Their people are known for being peaceful, law abiding, hardworking, self sufficient, etc. It's positive that they're saying enough is enough, and I fully support them.

[Nomand]

For a long time, 0.5 folks have been marginalized, discriminated against, their rights violated, their farms robbed or burned, belittled, etc. Their people are known for being peaceful, law abiding, hardworking, self sufficient, etc. It's positive that they're saying enough is enough, and I fully support them.

i 100 percent agree

[Nomand]

Walaalgey Nomand, Beesha Xawaadle waa rageedi if they are fighting for their interest in sabotaging the Jareerweyne Bridge, having an extra bridge built to compete with their monopoly Bridge is an outright an Hegemonial challenge to their dominance in Hiiraan.

Every clans either fights for recognition of their rights or to safeguard their interest, the Beesha Makaane Jareerweyne falls in the first criteria that is fighting for their basic rights.

the thing is xawaadle did not even do any of the fighting they send jijeele and promised them that if makene lost that jijeele would take over their land.

now as for xawaadle if their whole power and influence can be challenged by a building a mere bridge then their alleged grasp on hiiraan is very weak.

[Phinks]

Almost all clans in Somalia are armed to the teeth and expected to fight for and defend their interests, I see no problem here, it was a long time coming.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Xawaadle play above their weight class and can’t even handle some Bantus

[Gubbet]

Walaalgey Nomand, Beesha Xawaadle waa rageedi if they are fighting for their interest in sabotaging the Jareerweyne Bridge, having an extra bridge built to compete with their monopoly Bridge is an outright an Hegemonial challenge to their dominance in Hiiraan.

Every clans either fights for recognition of their rights or to safeguard their interest, the Beesha Makaane Jareerweyne falls in the first criteria that is fighting for their basic rights.

This is a very juvenile (and conversely ignorant) understanding of power.

It isn't even like the misunderstanding people show on probability theory where people don't understand probability is a mathematical concept (heads vs tails is 1/2 or 50% in 1 toss).

It is like SEX where one thinks the "act" of penetration by it's nature is the display of one's power to "rape."

Well no; there is CONSENT vs COOERCION vs FORCED

1. Consent is achieved voluntarily through "seduction"

2. Coercion is pressured through manipulation, threats, etc.

3. Force is exacting through duress and physical violence

Power in those 3 situations mean completelg different thins consequentiallg, materially, and even morally

1. The first is subject to "Association" (convince, freely choose)

2. The second is subject to "Compliance" (someone is being compelled)

3. The third is subject to "Submission" (someone is being controlled)

You have a really shockingly immature understanding of power id you think what is being diaplayed here is "hegemonic" or based on political realism.

Hegemonies are about OBTAINING and what is going on here is the opposite, it is about LIMITING

Research "crabs in a bucket" to understand the differenc.

Again, you said this about a "bridge" being built over a river that constantly floods in the poorest nation on eartb that is also the most needy and helpess.

This isn 't "hegemony;" it is "madness" on a scale that makes even ME (so versed in Somali politics) shocked and speechless.

And here I thought I couldnt see anyrhing more "madness" like than somrthing that concerns you personally ironically clan wisr namely the fact due to your own clan identity of Sacad, 3/4neighborhoods of Gaalkacyo are completely segregated to you.

To see you display this mindset rationalizing someone like the guy in that video with those views about a little bridge in the place on earth that needs it more than anywhere elss is the definition of "crabs in a bucket."

There is no brain left in that country.

[sahal80]

There are no Al shabaab in North of Baladweyne to help the jareer kkkkk

ilaahow qofaan wax ogeen ha cadaabin these jareer r using weapons given to them by Hawadle to copy Jabhata Xuut(Gen Xeyder) this is why jareer is not part of fahad yasiins "Xaqsoor"

This is not my opinion but i will explain how my clan see it

Hawadle are allied with Jareer even in villages near Jowhar against Abgaal. west side of the river north of Jowhar is hawadle and jareer never clashed with them while the east side they fight with Abgaal constantly. in Buuloburde Jareer and eylo are against Baadicade i will post video jareer elders saying buuloburde belong to us you lamagoodles all r new to it but now hawadle r the majority why baadicade claiming it when we r the original?. since buuloburde on the west side of the river basdicade claim it but hawadle took over it and beyond to the point there r no gaaljecel and baadicade borders anymore except at jimbiley village. once you reach jalalaqsi the whole west is hawadle until Jowhar. reer waqooyiga waxay dhahaan 20 jir isaaq ah oo caynabo ku dhashey iyo 60 dhulbahante ah yaa ukala gar qaada

hada all our ugaases including Ugaas hassan were born in buuloburde also goodax was born in it. its like reer cadcad claiming Xamar now just bc of shingani and Xamarweyne but its 18 districts same way buuloburde is 7 xaafado and only one xaafad is baadicade kkkk

Faqyaadha(dir) came in the 40s and setlled with Jareer on the east side of Deefow but they had wars in the in early 2000s before hawadle so jareer support hawadle in the east not Faqayaasha but me i dont look at them as enemies they r clanwise irir minority who will not hurt any thing and the role of HiilWalaal in hiiraan wich has played big role in stopping this war.

The guys who r behind jareer r r reerow who live in the last village on the borders. after their war with Hawadle some dir moved to the west side of deefow wich is purely Jareer.that bridge is very old and was built by the italians unti it got ruined so hawadle made deal with Jijeele to move in jareer villages and observe the faqayaasha(dir and reerow hassan) closely. hawadle and jareer can live together but they wont accept Jijeele or gaaljecel as they all concentrated on the west. like many think mistakinky our border with Gugundhabe is not the river but the jareer who live on the west side 95% that why you have alot of mixed hawadle and jareer villages like in the west gambarlawe, shabeelow, quracley in south west of baladweyne behind buundoweyne a big xawaadle xaafad on the west side of the river in baladweyne that why i used quotation marks when ever i mention the "East"

also hawadle live in the Jijeele side of Baladweyne so when you reach liiqliiqato ine side is gaaljecel and the other Hawadle then you have jareer next to hawadle and go all the way to Deefow. jijeele starts from the hinterland but their villages are far from the river banks

howlwadaag is very diverse not just because of Gaaljecel, Jijeele and Jareer who share with jijeele in their side but bc all the pre 1991 clans hawadle kicked them from the "East" moved to them. Baladweyne before 1991 was just "The East" so that why without Hawadle you cant go there or get support every thing is located in here except the airport as the "East" is exposed to the mountain floods but we moved it to the "East" side by 1993 and now two stereo terminal is close to finish only the runaway left
This is why Hawadle laughs when people talk about Gaaljecel who r facing Jijeele proxy militia in Howlwadaag supported by Hawadle. now Hawadle supports Jijeele and after jareer burned three villages they sent the army to bring back Jijeele who protects the western borders no just bc of the faqayaasha but bc they dont let in Al shabaab and we arm their macawisleey.

وقبل اندلاع الحرب الأهلية فى البلاد فى عام1991م كان الثقل السكاني فى بلدوين يتركز فى الضفة الشرقية من المدينة،ولكن بفعل الحرب انتقلت بعض القبائل الى الجهة الغربية من المدينة.
القبائل التى تقطن مدينة بلدوين
1-قبيلة حوادلى،تسكن هذه القبيلة شرق المدينة.
2-مكنى وهي من قبائل البانتو او جرير ويني
أما الضفة الغربية للمدينة فيسكنها جميع القبائل فى هيران عدا قبيلة حوادلى والتي يقتصر وجودها فى الجانب الشرقي من بلدوين،ويمكن أن نذكر من القبائل القاطنة فى الجانب الغربي:
أ) قبيلة جالجعل ب) ججيلي ج)باداعدى د)جدلى هـ)مكنى و)رير أوحسن ز)در،وشيخال وهبر جدر
google translation
And before the outbreak of the civil war in the country in 1991 AD, the population weight in Baldwin was concentrated on the east bank of the city, but as a result of the war, some tribes moved to the western side of the city.
The tribes inhabiting the city of Baldwin
1- The Hawadli tribe, this tribe lives in the east of the city.
2- Makna, who is from the Bantu tribes or Greer Winni
As for the West Bank of the city, it is inhabited by all the tribes in Hiraan except for the Hawadli tribe, whose presence is limited to the eastern side of Baldwin, and we can mention of the tribes living on the western side:
A) The Jalal tribe, b) Jujili, c) Badaaada, d) Jadali, e) Makna, f) Rayer or Hasan Z), Dr.

http://mogadishucenter.com/2015/09/%D8% ... 86-%D9%88/


Jijeele guy



i hope you understand were Jijeele r coming from. they welcomed dir in their war with hawadle and instead of going back to their villages after the heshiis they want to build bridge and stay in the jijeele side think of the future wars and land grabbing as they r inciting jareer against jijiile who refused other lamagoodle in the west side
This jareer jabhad was created by Xaawadle near deefow against Hirshabelle

[Murax]

What a crab bucket mentality. People want to build a bridge with their own xoog, sweat and they’re being attacked for it?! I’m glad they karbashed the aggressors. Good for them I say. Bad for Somalia we have retarded mofos.

[Nomand]

sahal,

if you listen to the first video i posted the makene spokes person points the finger clearly at governor of hiiraan Cali Jeyte, then at my second video you can clearly hear xawaadle political spokes person giving their opinion on why they are against the bridge

finally this is jijeele clan meeting inside beledweyne opposing the bridge being build in daafow and saying it will lead to a war. xawaadle is clearly against the bridge in deefow.

[sahal80]

i told yoo Xawaadle Supports Jijiile in this bc firstly Jijeele are their main ally against Gaaljecel. Gaaljecel brothers cant do shit in "the west" bc of Jijeele who r pro Hawadle but now things have changed bc of Fahad Yasiin and Reroow hassan who created something social media group called "Xaqsoor clans" only Sheekhal and Jareer stayed away from them some ex allies joined them. this is the reason why they gave the president seat to Abgaal using all these clans. some of them had close relations with Hawadle like udeejeen but ironically reerow hassan took their hirshabelle seat so most r shocked kkk

Jijeele is back now kkkkk

so they r reversing the situation and creating fearmongering on Jijeele. this is bigger than Deefow bigger than Hiiraan this is about Hirshabelle.

[Gubbet]

I would like to say Baadicadde is "original" to (or was as used "native" to) Buulo-Burde.

Just as the people being called "Jareerta" who call themselves Makanne are "original" to Beled-Weyne (itself originally called "Makanne"

Ironically, both of the settlements were started by the Italians to mark the north and south boundaries of Baadicadde.

Beled-Weyne grew around the Italian station built on the Makanne shambas (farms) where the Makaene formed the northern boundary of Baadi-cadde grazing territory.

And Buulo Burde was the southern boundary of Baadicadde where another Somali Bantu geoup the Shiidle and Kaboole.

Timea change and people migrate but let us not lie about history.

Marehan today live and even dominate Luuq and Baardheere, but that doesn't mean Marehan can try to revise history how the town's were founded to try to fit a present narrative