Map of Galgaduud clans 1954 the history they don't want you to know!

[Gubbet]

This topic animates Sahal for the same reason it exposes his very sad ignorance at a basic level.

Quantity vs Quality.

So I was just looking at the new Worls Bank report on urbanization in Somalia and it perfectly confirms everything Sahal concluded in this topic is not only incorrect but is actually the opposite.

Because I am too bored and uninterested legitimizing the petty behind the topic;

1. Here I will source another Somali forum and their take down nof the report linked in it;

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/worl ... rt.114889/

2. Afterwards, compare that with this topic where I present context and very clearly presentation (diligently referenced and source).

I stopped contributing to the topic midway for reasons of my own, but there is enough information to make even a child in elementary school understand this issue

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 6&t=402414

The problem with this entire topic is the assumption "the land is wanted.'

" No one" wants the quantity of the land in Mudug.

That's why the original Marehan have continuously been moving out the past 200 years having secured for themselves the conquest of 2 rivers.

And going by the World.Bank report, Habar Gidir are all fleeing towards Benadir in a sort of population hemorrhaging of all the non-Darod area of central Somalia, including his own Beled-Weyne district.

The Darod having seemed to conspicuously take all the limited richer grazing Westerm side of the region historically.

"NO ONE" wants the bulk of the land whose length is informing your ignorance Sahal.

Quantity vs Quality.

[Phinks]

Gubbet, Mudug/Galgadud is a barren land of drying wells devoid of any tolerable weather. I used to believe that HG daily incursion into our side of the Gaalkacyo border was an attempt at land grabbing, little did I know they were taking DESPERATE measures, this region is going to have catastrophic living conditions in the near future, we can expect more clans migrating from this region.

Hawiye and other clans from Hiraan, Middle & Lower Shabelle will try to move into the Juba valley. It is simply a matter of time, just as Sahal is protecting his interests you have to do the same. MX is sitting on prime real estate, and other clans are going to get desperate and try setting up shop, that's why we need to solve this Jubaland/Kismayo impasse as soon as possible, ilmo Darood will soon have a war at hand.

[Gubbet]

Phinks, this issue causes me no joy. I literally have not thought the same since the cumulative effect of understanding this issue started weighing on me.

I want from wanting to show why their understanding of Mudug is completely misinformed to saying, wait a minute is there a "Darod" legacy of forced inequality here (it is not just Marehan, there is an actual geographical, geological, and biological reason for the entire of Buudhoodle to Laas Caanood to Baacadweyn to Galkaacyo-Galaadi to Goldagob to Dhabat to Caabudwaaq to Balanbale ring of fence) to where I am now completely sympathetic to HG situation oddly enough for a Somali who is on the other team.

I don't think yet even 1% of Somalis understand what I have come to understand about central Somalia.

If you want to get just a small understanding, put this into the Google search bar

site:somalinet.com voltage grazing hawd Dhusamareb

And read some of my small ramblings. Read esch one more than once than start looking at LIVELIHOOD AND ENVIRONMENTAL maps on google maps.

Go from there and you have no heart if even as a Marehan oe Majerten one doesn't feel sympathy for everyone involved; especially HG.

[sahal80]

Sahal relentlessly karbaashing MX crew. I had been busy these days with overload of work. You never tired of embarrassing them and they keep coming back for more.

they got reduced to saying "we dont want mudug and Galgaduud"

الشيخ كشك ayaa karbaashi jiray madaxda carabta markaasuu midka syria ku dhahay اسد فى دمشق ونعامة فى الجولان a lion in Damascuss and ostrich in Golan

now can claim "you conquered the uninhabitable bantu and eelaay infested Gedo" while your conquered in Mudug and Galgaduud.

[Gubbet]

Like a 2 year old. Meh. We have different reasons for contributing to this forum.

[zidane88]

Sahal relentlessly karbaashing MX crew. I had been busy these days with overload of work. You never tired of embarrassing them and they keep coming back for more.

they got reduced to saying "we dont want mudug and Galgaduud"

الشيخ كشك ayaa karbaashi jiray madaxda carabta markaasuu midka syria ku dhahay اسد فى دمشق ونعامة فى الجولان a lion in Damascuss and ostrich in Golan

now can claim "you conquered the uninhabitable bantu and eelaay infested Gedo" while your conquered in Mudug and Galgaduud.

Hillarious comeback.

[Gubbet]

One of the odd features of this forum is, on my side, the closest to me will shame me into standing down even as a reaction or response to Sahal, et al's tribal malice towards Marehan.

But not only does the guy not have any kin to give him advice and constructive criticism here, he is actually manipulated by reactionaries who are not in the topic because it concerns them or even that they it concerns Sahal either

It is like a dysfunctional, parasitic relationship united by nothing but shared malice for a 3rd entity.

Then, of course, they will tell each other they are the victims of tribal bashing, hostility, and incivility.

[Phinks]

Gubbet, I'm going to be completely honest with you here, Darood is the cultural and historic backbone of the SOMALI RACE. I'm not saying this with faan, but with abject honesty. It's so apparent that I sometimes feel guilty, almost like it's HARAM. From our historical Sultunates and kingdoms, freedom fighters and through our contributions to Somali culture and poetry.

When the civil war occurred, Darood had a INTRA-civil war while at the SAME TIME was fighting a coalition of IRIR-SAMAALE and RX. Now that everyone has more or less gone back to their lands of origin, Darood will be crowned the ultimate winner of the civil war when the fog settles.

Marexaan, Ogaden and Majeerteen is just a MICROCOSM of the problem we will have at hand soon, I'm well aware the Anglo-Ethiopian border commission curbed MX influence. I'm in full agreement OG dominance of galbeed is embellished, that's a fact.

For instance, Ogaden - according to our absame brothers - is supposedly 50-60% of Darood, and yet;

- Ogaden needed Dhulbahante and Warsangeli to wage war against the Majeerteen boqortoyo (while we were still warring states)

- All this while having the assistance of Umar Maxamuud, a major sub-branch of MJ, with the Sayyid admitting the war was practically over when Umar Maxamuud decided to change sides

- Apparently, according to 'verified' sources, 10 thousand MJ were thrown off a cliff, with Somalis a single battle consisting of casualties of this magnitude couldn't be achieved with 21st century weapons and artillery (Somalis will retreat when needed and continue the fight another day)

The supposed supremacy and dominance claimed by Ogaden doesn't hold weight, they are the largest sub-clan of Darood for sure, but the absolute exaggeration of their population and exploits is shameless to say the least, I blame Kacaan propaganda. OG/MX/MJ numbers are so close it's negligible, half the population of DH perished in the Dervish wars, by 2030 I believe they'll catch up to us in numbers, and we need all the people we can get.

Isaaq are a NON-FACTOR, I honestly can't even take them seriously anymore, no offence to our brothers but they're too langaab. Harti have 2/3 of the land Isaaq have, what's worse is that they'll be forced - have already started - to kill/displace Cisse and Gabadursi to acquire land, they have effectively boxed themselves in. You can imagine my surprise when I found out some Isaaq sub-clans have been asking MJ/DH permission to graze and water their camels as far as Eyl, I was astounded, what on earth brought them there? DESPERATION, THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.

https://www.voanews.com/africa/official ... somaliland

Only a psychopath would feel great about what's about to come, even at the time when Gaas was president and was begging Reer Hersi/Khalaf from continuing the fight with HG (HG WAS BACKED BY HSM GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME) I never understood why he was trying to call them off when HG was forced to withdraw deep into Galgadud, I was just a naive diaspora kid with zero understanding of the situation, at the end of the day waa dad masaakeen, I can't blame them, all this is beyond them.

The Hawiye elite are not preparing for future contingencies, but then again these are the same elite watching their own people languish in IDP camps and turning xamar into a deathtrap no thanks to the constant influx of newly arriving Hawiye migrants, forced by climate change.

RX is what worries me, they're a threat, not to mention them having a historical/economic claim (Geledi sultunate) and a presence in Bay, Bakool and Lower Shabelle (it wouldn't surprise me in the future if there was a IRIR-SAMAALE-RX pact to push into Darood territory.) Darood needs to wake the fock up and start arming ourselves because the future is looking grim.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Somalis need to forgo pastoralism

[Nubis]

[sahal80]

Most hilarious karbaash i ever heard.

https://voca.ro/15W58NbfAGXD

[Shantabaq]

Gubbet, I'm going to be completely honest with you here, Darood is the cultural and historic backbone of the SOMALI RACE. I'm not saying this with faan, but with abject honesty. It's so apparent that I sometimes feel guilty, almost like it's HARAM. From our historical Sultunates and kingdoms, freedom fighters and through our contributions to Somali culture and poetry.

When the civil war occurred, Darood had a INTRA-civil war while at the SAME TIME was fighting a coalition of IRIR-SAMAALE and RX. Now that everyone has more or less gone back to their lands of origin, Darood will be crowned the ultimate winner of the civil war when the fog settles.

Marexaan, Ogaden and Majeerteen is just a MICROCOSM of the problem we will have at hand soon, I'm well aware the Anglo-Ethiopian border commission curbed MX influence. I'm in full agreement OG dominance of galbeed is embellished, that's a fact.

For instance, Ogaden - according to our absame brothers - is supposedly 50-60% of Darood, and yet;

- Ogaden needed Dhulbahante and Warsangeli to wage war against the Majeerteen boqortoyo (while we were still warring states)

- All this while having the assistance of Umar Maxamuud, a major sub-branch of MJ, with the Sayyid admitting the war was practically over when Umar Maxamuud decided to change sides

- Apparently, according to 'verified' sources, 10 thousand MJ were thrown off a cliff, with Somalis a single battle consisting of casualties of this magnitude couldn't be achieved with 21st century weapons and artillery (Somalis will retreat when needed and continue the fight another day)

The supposed supremacy and dominance claimed by Ogaden doesn't hold weight, they are the largest sub-clan of Darood for sure, but the absolute exaggeration of their population and exploits is shameless to say the least, I blame Kacaan propaganda. OG/MX/MJ numbers are so close it's negligible, half the population of DH perished in the Dervish wars, by 2030 I believe they'll catch up to us in numbers, and we need all the people we can get.

Isaaq are a NON-FACTOR, I honestly can't even take them seriously anymore, no offence to our brothers but they're too langaab. Harti have 2/3 of the land Isaaq have, what's worse is that they'll be forced - have already started - to kill/displace Cisse and Gabadursi to acquire land, they have effectively boxed themselves in. You can imagine my surprise when I found out some Isaaq sub-clans have been asking MJ/DH permission to graze and water their camels as far as Eyl, I was astounded, what on earth brought them there? DESPERATION, THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.

https://www.voanews.com/africa/official ... somaliland

Only a psychopath would feel great about what's about to come, even at the time when Gaas was president and was begging Reer Hersi/Khalaf from continuing the fight with HG (HG WAS BACKED BY HSM GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME) I never understood why he was trying to call them off when HG was forced to withdraw deep into Galgadud, I was just a naive diaspora kid with zero understanding of the situation, at the end of the day waa dad masaakeen, I can't blame them, all this is beyond them.

The Hawiye elite are not preparing for future contingencies, but then again these are the same elite watching their own people languish in IDP camps and turning xamar into a deathtrap no thanks to the constant influx of newly arriving Hawiye migrants, forced by climate change.

RX is what worries me, they're a threat, not to mention them having a historical/economic claim (Geledi sultunate) and a presence in Bay, Bakool and Lower Shabelle (it wouldn't surprise me in the future if there was a IRIR-SAMAALE-RX pact to push into Darood territory.) Darood needs to wake the fock up and start arming ourselves because the future is looking grim.

You must be a harti who looks down when you meet an OG because of inferiority complex. 3 things:

1: Most of the ogaden were not with the Sayid for various reasons. That’s why his armies were made of others and not of his people.

2: Ogaden is 60% of darood but we are spread far and wide and most of our wars have tended to be with other races and not Somalis (oromos and borana for example). Other darods have always followed us after we cleared the way for them.

This is you will find OGs in the frontiers and perepehries while these other darods are stuck in the middle, and many live in uninhabitable lands. The harti lands in Somalia are not green nor good for farming. The same with the ilkayars, who came to jubbaland long after Ogaden cleared it of borana.

3: harti and OG numbers are not even close to close, just look at the lands harti occupy, baren lands not able to support big populations. Even your cities are very small compared to OG cities. Garissa is bigger and has more population than garowe. Bosaso is the only big harti city and that is mainly because of elay who go there for work.

Forget Ogaden, the Issaq, who you discount, are much bigger than harti. Just look at their booming cities and compare them to harti cities. Burco, Bosaso and Hargaysa beat anything in puntland.

How will you catch up with ogaden then in 2030 when we are already magnitude of populations ahead of you, plus are we going to stand while you expand? And where will your new population expand to? We Ogaden already have the best lands, in Somalia, Ethiopia and Kenya.

[Phinks]

Hold your own nuts and stop making this about HARTI-ABSAME, I'm MJ and MJ alone, no need to bring others in, if you're going to come at me come at MJ, then I might consider responding.

[grandpakhalif]

Hold your own nuts and stop making this about HARTI-ABSAME, I'm MJ and MJ alone, no need to bring others in, if you're going to come at me come at MJ, then I might consider responding.

If Ogaden were millions as he claims why cant they liberate Buale? Atleast MJ and MX lands are AS free. They cant even go past Kismaayi and Dhoobleey

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Hold your own nuts and stop making this about HARTI-ABSAME, I'm MJ and MJ alone, no need to bring others in, if you're going to come at me come at MJ, then I might consider responding.

If Ogaden were millions as he claims why cant they liberate Buale? Atleast MJ and MX lands are AS free. They cant even go past Kismaayi and Dhoobleey

That’s actually a legit mothafucking point bro