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Shirka thread

Postby sahal80 » Sat May 22, 2021 3:33 am

Huge win for Madoobe in Gedo for the first time things for Gedo will go through JL no more through the Gedo governor not just bc of Rooble but bc they r sagxada even Mooge is ok with it as long he is sagxada the only way they can get money is sharing it with JL and PL so the donors can release it.

in 17 may i said shirka is about money and that Rooble will sign for JL its share. this means the funds for the elections will go directly to Madoobe and Deni and qoorqoor and Guudlaawe and laft gareen and this would make it out of the Mooge influence even in Gedo!

This is huge victory for Madoobe controlling Gedo financially besides JL regional forces that will be sent to Garbahaarey besides the Amisom police and appointing the Garbaharey DC. in this way all mx pro madoobe and Mooge mps will have the chance and funds will come from JL! who will control it then? Madoobe!


"Joogitaanka Mooge macno maleh haduusan ownership laheen ama wax asagu wato. doorashada ma daaheyso waayo Rooble waa sagxada lacagihii in la soo celiyo ayuu shirka 20ka bisha ka shaqeynayaa waana in JL iyo PL iyo MM ay wada ogol yihiin. bilkacsi JL iyo PL uu lacago u fasixi rabaa inay toos u helaan si uu wax u helo asagana hami waxay galiyeen isa soo sharax oo u baahan badanaaba lacag. shirka lacag uu ku saabsanyahay shardiga donorskana waa in la fuliyaa sep 17 "





Mooge waxba kama duwana yeey maadama uu shirka doorashada hogaamin karin wuxuuna ku bixi isla wadadii


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Re: Shirka thread

Postby sahal80 » Sat May 22, 2021 5:01 am

what a Great day!! finally Mooge is not in the picture!

jawi degan iyo isfahan ayaa la soo sheegayaa! happy faces lacanadii umada ilaahey waa dhaafiyay :blessed:




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Re: Shirka thread

Postby Nomand » Sat May 22, 2021 6:44 am

sahal,

For your interpretations to make sense you are assuming that Farmaajo and Rooble are enemies and that Rooble wants to get rid of Farmaajo.

but the question is Rooble trying to get rid of farmaajo and what does rooble get out of ousting farmaajo?

one thing is clear Rooble is king maker and the international community supports him. However if we analyse the international community unequivocal support for rooble and the tweet you posted who is it addressing?

is it addressing farmaajo or the FMS?. why would it address farmaajo when farmaajo had given the reigns of election to rooble weeks ago and why post it the day before rooble is meeting FMS?.

it does not make sense that a tweet would address farmaajo when farmaajo is not part of the meeting and has said so weeks ago.

to me it seems like it addressing deni and madoobe the international community is saying that they support whatever Rooble comes up with and that deni and madoobe have no leeway.

the international community giving rooble unequivocal support does not hurt farmaajo when farmaajo himself done the same thing weeks ago.

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby GuleedWarsame » Sat May 22, 2021 7:14 am

Huge win for Madoobe in Gedo for the first time things for Gedo will go through JL no more through the Gedo governor not just bc of Rooble but bc they r sagxada even Mooge is ok with it as long he is sagxada the only way they can get money is sharing it with JL and PL so the donors can release it.

in 17 may i said shirka is about money and that Rooble will sign for JL its share. this means the funds for the elections will go directly to Madoobe and Deni and qoorqoor and Guudlaawe and laft gareen and this would make it out of the Mooge influence even in Gedo!

This is huge victory for Madoobe controlling Gedo financially besides JL regional forces that will be sent to Garbahaarey besides the Amisom police and appointing the Garbaharey DC. in this way all mx pro madoobe and Mooge mps will have the chance and funds will come from JL! who will control it then?
I doubt Madoobe will have a say in Gedo region, infact he is at disadvantage in these talks and will accept whatever demands are put infront of him.

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby original dervish » Sat May 22, 2021 7:18 am

Madobe has out smarted his enemies once again.
Can we just say Madobe should have the title..." president for life", and be done with.all the bitching.

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby Shantabaq » Sat May 22, 2021 8:32 am

sahal,

For your interpretations to make sense you are assuming that Farmaajo and Rooble are enemies and that Rooble wants to get rid of Farmaajo.

but the question is Rooble trying to get rid of farmaajo and what does rooble get out of ousting farmaajo?

one thing is clear Rooble is king maker and the international community supports him. However if we analyse the international community unequivocal support for rooble and the tweet you posted who is it addressing?

is it addressing farmaajo or the FMS?. why would it address farmaajo when farmaajo had given the reigns of election to rooble weeks ago and why post it the day before rooble is meeting FMS?.

it does not make sense that a tweet would address farmaajo when farmaajo is not part of the meeting and has said so weeks ago.

to me it seems like it addressing deni and madoobe the international community is saying that they support whatever Rooble comes up with and that deni and madoobe have no leeway.

the international community giving rooble unequivocal support does not hurt farmaajo when farmaajo himself done the same thing weeks ago.
Your kind were saying the same thing about Kheyre. Something about them being in power like Putin and Medyev or similar bs.

What happened to that?

HG have been sidelined for the first 3 years of farmajo and now he appointed a sacad man as a means to save his own skin as he fears hg more than any other tribe.

Today farmajo is at the mercy of hg, and I see no reason why they should do him a favour, when instead they can ditch his toxic ass and go for the throne.

OG will definitly support our sacad brothers.

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby Nomand » Sat May 22, 2021 9:13 am

shantabaq,

Ogadeen are not an independent entity they do what is told to them or fear loosing everything. you can't go against Kenya and you can't go against puntland.

now back to your kheyre point. what did kheyre gain from going against farmaajo? he will be lucky if he get 5 votes and who ever wins won't include him in their government.

again rooble is not loyal to farmaajo or vice versa, at this moment in time they are depended on each other. because farmaajo has waqooyi/gedo/koonfur galbeed and banadir seats without question. and i am sure rooble wants to continue being PM and then launch his presidential race.

Kheyre had nearly 4 years and then gambled which back fired. kheyre is a cautionary tale.

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby sahal80 » Sat May 22, 2021 9:29 am

Nomad

You ask and answer for yourself at the same time instead of leaving to me the answer!
i will give you logical answer!
Why Mooge fired Kheyre? and why did he appoint Rooble after the September 17 agreement, nearly 50 days later? The only reason was for him to control solely the electoral process in the SFGs name like he use the parliament and then laheloow Rooble had no choice but to carry it out and the evidence is that the latter called for partial elections after PL and JL boycotted it

During this period, the donor countries cut off the budget that they were supporting the govt from last October and they did not pay for the Hirshabelle elections too 9 months ago also Qatar stopped paying them from last January now they are completely bankrupt and after this month they will not be able to pay any salary to an employee, military, or teacher.(police is different they r paid regularly by the donors that why Xijaar acts impartial but this wannabe dictator has tried to politicize them specially the police in the airport who r more independent so he can use them against madoobe and Deni. this was very independent section under hassan sheekh)
anyways they no longer pay those CCB who drum for them(gurbaanka u tuma) and many of them have returned to the diaspora after they were expelled from their luxury hotels!
In this miserable situation, Mooge tried to commit political suicide which was the failed extension attempt and the cancellation of the current election process which made the MM resort to the shabeelooyinka army that belongs to them tribally and besieged him in his building at a time when he was facing sanctions from the IC. Suddenly he asked them to protect him so they told him to quit immediately :russ:
They asked him to surrender to the MM conditions like handing power and security over to the Prime Minister and retreating back from the extension. The Prime Minister was against the idea of ​​the extension and he knew that he could not pay the salaries without the donors support and that this man is crazy but after the army’s intervention he declared his intentions to the MM that he was against it. he said I promise you that I will do everything and implement your security requests and run the elections but give me the opportunity and withdraw your army from the capital. This new rooble is our Rooble who is implementing the MM program not Mooge program so how can you claim he works for him? The police chief and the security minister are all acting at his command. he listens to PL and JL so the donors can release the funds he even allowed madoobe to get the elections funds including Gedo!
all we want is this free atmosphere Rooble is not working for mooge anymore 100% that is the pm we want and finally there r rumours that he will run for president but first he want to isolate mooge first or in Af somali inuu meelo badan ka soo xir xiro oo uu rajo beelo markaas asaga u daayo inuu isa soo sharaxo

That is why Deni and Madoobe are free in Xamar inside the airport but before the airport police was under Mooge and they did not accompany their soldiers with them. they may go to mirnaayo and kaaraan and hotel jazeera. The Abgaal leaders control Jawhar now so they r working on how all hirshabelle mps can be elected in Jowhat with the support of Guudlaawe. in this Guudlaawe is in line with madoobe and deni who dont want it in Gedo this will prevent Daahir Jeesow and other pro mooge mps from returning to Parliament. and here we have some of clueless kids who r still glorifying guudlaawe :pac:

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby grandpakhalif » Sat May 22, 2021 9:48 am

We fully support Rooble and he has done a great job. Farmaajo is chilling in Villa somalia chewing snacks qnd watching TV. He will be re elected inshallah doorasho hala aado waaye muhiimada.

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby MrSinister » Sat May 22, 2021 10:27 am

Failmaajo fucked it up for darood. If he played his cards right and not antagonized his Darood cousins, Somalia would be under 1000 years of Darood rule. Now he is the first president that has been removed from the election process and is hoping his pm doesn’t abandon him.

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby Nomand » Sat May 22, 2021 3:01 pm

sahal,

the donor countries cut aid in september thats before anything happened. and the country was then heading towards an election so funds being cut had nothing to do with farmaajo's 2 year extension.

plus if you recall hassan sheikh was unable to pay the MPS, civil servants and soldiers for the last 9 months of his tenure as president. do you see the pattern here?

donor countries will always use their money to control you and the best time to do so is during election year. most of the guys you mention online like shiina and solaportal where being paid by kheyre. farmaajo does not pay anyone his supporters do so without any compensation. but again you are assuming that rooble is against farmaajo and that rooble would sacrifice himself for hassan sheikh and sheikh sharif.

one thing i do agree with you is that the 2 year extension was ill advised. but i don't agree that rooble is against farmaajo. Rooble is either neutral or in the same camp as farmaajo.

you also mentioned sanctions what sanctions farmaajo does not own anything, he has no houses or properties no offshore bank account.
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Re: Shirka thread

Postby BigBreak » Sat May 22, 2021 3:08 pm

Failmaajo fucked it up for darood. If he played his cards right and not antagonized his Darood cousins, Somalia would be under 1000 years of Darood rule. Now he is the first president that has been removed from the election process and is hoping his pm doesn’t abandon him.
Nonsense, Hawiye surely is the plurality or even absolute majority of the former Italian Somalia colony

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby gobdoon » Sat May 22, 2021 4:10 pm

I do not understand it what's the point all this, is it something worth wasting so much time calling conference after conference and neglecting the real problems facing the nation and public services
We know its not possible to have one man one vote so then we should have as 2016 indirect election without any one wanting to dominate and steal it as Farmajo wanted all along
So hopefully now he is out of the way as the cat is out of the bag and everybody see him as the crook and cheat
Mamul gobeled must be independent reflecting and represents the people of that region without the manipulation of Federal government for some short sighted and selfish reasons

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Re: Shirka thread

Postby sahal80 » Sat May 22, 2021 4:18 pm

sahal,

the donor countries cut aid in september thats before anything happened. and the country was then heading towards an election so funds being cut had nothing to do with farmaajo's 2 year extension.

plus if you recall hassan sheikh was unable to pay the MPS, civil servants and soldiers for the last 9 months of his tenure as president. do you see the pattern here?

donor countries will always use their money to control you and the best time to do so is during election year. most of the guys you mention online like shiina and solaportal where being paid by kheyre. farmaajo does not pay anyone his supporters do so without any compensation. but again you are assuming that rooble is against farmaajo and that rooble would sacrifice himself for hassan sheikh and sheikh sharif.

one thing i do agree with you is that the 2 year extension was ill advised. but i don't agree that rooble is against farmaajo. Rooble is either neutral or in the same camp as farmaajo.

you also mentioned sanctions what sanctions farmaajo does not own anything, he has no houses or properties no offshore bank account.
You ignored or did not understand what I said about Mooge fear about the Prime Minister participating in the decisions/process after his shock with Kheyre who stood with the FMS when the indirect model was adopted this was reached thanks to Kheyre and why did it take a period of 50 days from him to appoint a replacement for him and why after signing the September 17 agreement? All this so that no one in power would dispute him in the decisions and only he can reach a deal with the FMS. It was required of Rooble to implement his policies only and I gave you an example for the partial elections that he announced. Now Rooble will not implement his policies after the military invasion of the capital and the agreement with the MM and this in itself is a victory for them. war cad soo maaha? also the talks are between Rooble and the FMS Rooble said i will go with what the majority says. here MM started using Hirshabelle and Galmudug and PL and JL are already free! now Guudlaawe backs madoobe so they both can held elections only in Kismaayo and Jowhar. this was stated in the sept agreement so cannot be changed but as all FMS atleast Hirshabelle PL and JL want a change they will be the majority.



Donors paid hassan sheekh for the elections infact hassan Sheekh was caring about the money the most. he changed his Jowhar conference for Hirshabelle after donors refused to pay bc of hiiraan until the gentleman's agreement and then they paid for him. Hassan Sheekh got paid for the federal elections bc of his consultation with the FMS its some thing now Rooble is doing when i said he let JL keep its elections funds and he has NGO mentality like hassan sheekh

because there were no consultation with the FMS they stopped every thing in august and they have seen what happened in baidoa its not about extension rather about not holding free and upon agreed elections

There is difference between Hassan Sheikh period and now. In the past, the New deal money was in the World Bank and there were technical interruptions that needed to be signed in each payment and phase 1 and phase 2 and you have two wait fir moths until the second phase and the parliament and other sectors were paid to them by certain countries such as Denmark.

most economic policies this govt follows was planned under Hassan Sheikh time like the VAT rate and paying for the employees and the army and mps with foreign budgetary support. The govt was asked to introduce more taxes like the value added tax so it can pay the salaries and the donors will cover the education, hospitals, infrastructure with more concentration in the FMS as Xamar had its share of projects. that why you hear govt annexing the schools all this was planned under hassan sheikh. Goodax went to Nairobi and signed them and the conflict between him and PL was over the funds. before this Govt they were paying to PL $25m
so all the funds for every sector including the mps go to one national budget about 70% and 30% from the local revenue so this govt was able to pay it from that budget directly instead of waiting to be signed for phase one and ohase two. that was hassan sheekhs problem also theu used to believe in tuugsi as formore NGO men even if they had the money will not pay instead they will beg in the name of the army sake for every sector but it has more to do with the stage. hassan sheekh was way better then sh sharif who started from nothing.

this is the national budget. for example parliament $22.6 million no more through Norway
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Re: Shirka thread

Postby gobdoon » Sat May 22, 2021 5:13 pm

We do need to find Somali problems for Somali solutions geedka hostiis and everything
We shouldn't be competing and fighting over foreign funded or handouts, if you are thinking about the nation and its wellbeing you shouldn't be happy with a few shillings from with most probably some conditions attached, as there is no such thing as free lunch like Qatar wanting Kenya to get its hands with Somali waters just because they have invested interest of oil/gas exploring companies


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