Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

[Khalid Ali]

Why are u even against madoobe do u even know. You have been here years supporting the jva. But they never build a jubbaland. But now jubbaland is build you oppose madoobe. Had he been your marehan you might have supported him right. So tell us leaving out clan. Why do you oppose him.

WHY ARE YOU AGAINST SOMALIA, SIAD BARRE'S GOVERNMENT IS GONE AND IN FACT SOME OF YOUR REGIONAL LEADERS HAVE BEEN FAQASH LIKE DAHIR RIYAALE? PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU JUST WANT YOUR LITTLE ISAAQ STATE HUH?

Your answering a question with a question. I oppose Somalia for nationalistic ambition as I see that Somali weyn is a wrong ideology I no longer aspire to put kiloo5 Djibouti nfd and Somalia and Somaliland under one administration. I believe the union destroyed both of our nations. It has nothing to do with afweyne. The reason hey rayaale was president was because we forgave every one in the war and started a new page. That shows u it wasn't avout ur uncle afweyne. Now having said that u oppose madoobe simply subclanish reasons had he been Marehan u would jump up and down in joy. That u finannly had a mamuul goboleed. Sorry but I can't respect that if you really believed in a jubbaland state people u would have supported him. There is no other reason why u oppose him. Is it because he is a former islamist why u hate him. What is it. Hadanay reer nimo hoose ahayn oo kaliya.

[Gubbet]

Why are u even against madoobe do u even know. You have been here years supporting the jva. But they never build a jubbaland. But now jubbaland is build you oppose madoobe. Had he been your marehan you might have supported him right. So tell us leaving out clan. Why do you oppose him.

WHY ARE YOU AGAINST SOMALIA, SIAD BARRE'S GOVERNMENT IS GONE AND IN FACT SOME OF YOUR REGIONAL LEADERS HAVE BEEN FAQASH LIKE DAHIR RIYAALE? PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU JUST WANT YOUR LITTLE ISAAQ STATE HUH?

Your answering a question with a question. I oppose Somalia for nationalistic ambition as I see that Somali weyn is a wrong ideology I no longer aspire to put kiloo5 Djibouti nfd and Somalia and Somaliland under one administration. I believe the union destroyed both of our nations. It has nothing to do with afweyne. The reason hey rayaale was president was because we forgave every one in the war and started a new page. That shows u it wasn't avout ur uncle afweyne. Now having said that u oppose madoobe simply subclanish reasons had he been Marehan u would jump up and down in joy. That u finannly had a mamuul goboleed. Sorry but I can't respect that if you really believed in a jubbaland state people u would have supported him. There is no other reason why u oppose him. Is it because he is a former islamist why u hate him. What is it. Hadanay reer nimo hoose ahayn oo kaliya.

The sheer entitlement mistakenly informing your arrogant imposition stuns me----when I am almost never made surprised by most things Somali politica.

YOU. ARE. A. SECESSIONIST. CONSIDERED. BY. MOST. SOMALIS. TO. BE. COMMITTING. TREASON. AND. YOU. HAVE. THE. HUBRIS. NOT. ONLY. TO. CONTEST. MY. FREEDOM.OF. POLITICAL. EXPRESSION. WITHIN. THE. LEGITIMATE. BOUND. OF. STATE. BUT. YOU. EVEN. HAVE. THE. GALLS. TO. PASS. JUDGEMENT. ON. MY. RIGHT. TO. DO. SO.

I am now left saddled with doubt regarding the true state of your rational faculties as perhaps one logical explanation for the sheer disconnect between the above two observations

[Khalid Ali]

Why are u even against madoobe do u even know. You have been here years supporting the jva. But they never build a jubbaland. But now jubbaland is build you oppose madoobe. Had he been your marehan you might have supported him right. So tell us leaving out clan. Why do you oppose him.

My god, MX really is the bogeyman now eh? Why do you people care about this? Everyone and his reer is obsessed with MX on every Somali forum. Maxaa kaa galay what they are up to? You have some OG posters saying they log in just to reprimand MX members, meaning they're daily keeping a log on them, some fangirl behaviour. And now we have Hawiye and landers jumping in, at least with other Darood it makes sense since we all live in Jubaland and have a stake, but MX really has you guys that spooked huh? Amusing to say the least.

Kenya illegally invaded without a AMISON mandate, they tried to wrestle a portion of OUR coast (and when I say 'our' I'm also referring to YOU), why on earth would we let some Kikuyu mafia pocket our natural resources? Kenya has innocent blood on their hands and have been doing business with Al-Shabab, they don't even engage them anymore, all they do is hide in their bases and collect their dividends that's provide by the EU, I don't know if you're trolling or being serious but the VAST majority of Jubaland/Somalia citizens want KDF to withdraw immediately.

Last I checked you are not MX but a dhaboyaco I must have rolled over dead to see a dhaboyaco speaking on MX behalf, stay in your lane ukhti.

Khalid, Voltage is individual and has answered the question his way, but I will say this, a live ongoing genocide that has resulted in the death of tenths of thousands of people in Jubaland is directly blamed on former terrorist and now foreign agent Madoobe, his clan dictatorship rule has been murdering MX civilians, businsss men, elders, mothers and children up and down Jubaland, he has destroyed properties including essentials like berkado, stolen properties in and around Kismaayo, he has invited indiscriminate bombing of Gedo. That is why MX oppose Madoobe its an insult to ask such a question, hence Voltage reaction.

Oke fair enough that is a legit reason but why is madoobe targeting Marehan. What is his motive do you think. Was there something Marehan done. Or did he just have resentment towards them. Did these injustice happen just after his elections or did it just happen later.

[Gubbet]

My god, MX really is the bogeyman now eh? Why do you people care about this? Everyone and his reer is obsessed with MX on every Somali forum. Maxaa kaa galay what they are up to? You have some OG posters saying they log in just to reprimand MX members, meaning they're daily keeping a log on them, some fangirl behaviour. And now we have Hawiye and landers jumping in, at least with other Darood it makes sense since we all live in Jubaland and have a stake, but MX really has you guys that spooked huh? Amusing to say the least.

Kenya illegally invaded without a AMISON mandate, they tried to wrestle a portion of OUR coast (and when I say 'our' I'm also referring to YOU), why on earth would we let some Kikuyu mafia pocket our natural resources? Kenya has innocent blood on their hands and have been doing business with Al-Shabab, they don't even engage them anymore, all they do is hide in their bases and collect their dividends that's provide by the EU, I don't know if you're trolling or being serious but the VAST majority of Jubaland/Somalia citizens want KDF to withdraw immediately.

Last I checked you are not MX but a dhaboyaco I must have rolled over dead to see a dhaboyaco speaking on MX behalf, stay in your lane ukhti.

Khalid, Voltage is individual and has answered the question his way, but I will say this, a live ongoing genocide that has resulted in the death of tenths of thousands of people in Jubaland is directly blamed on former terrorist and now foreign agent Madoobe, his clan dictatorship rule has been murdering MX civilians, businsss men, elders, mothers and children up and down Jubaland, he has destroyed properties including essentials like berkado, stolen properties in and around Kismaayo, he has invited indiscriminate bombing of Gedo. That is why MX oppose Madoobe its an insult to ask such a question, hence Voltage reaction.

Oke fair enough that is a legit reason but why is madoobe targeting Marehan. What is his motive do you think. Was there something Marehan done. Or did he just have resentment towards them. Did these injustice happen just after his elections or did it just happen later.

[Khalid Ali]

WHY ARE YOU AGAINST SOMALIA, SIAD BARRE'S GOVERNMENT IS GONE AND IN FACT SOME OF YOUR REGIONAL LEADERS HAVE BEEN FAQASH LIKE DAHIR RIYAALE? PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU JUST WANT YOUR LITTLE ISAAQ STATE HUH?

Your answering a question with a question. I oppose Somalia for nationalistic ambition as I see that Somali weyn is a wrong ideology I no longer aspire to put kiloo5 Djibouti nfd and Somalia and Somaliland under one administration. I believe the union destroyed both of our nations. It has nothing to do with afweyne. The reason hey rayaale was president was because we forgave every one in the war and started a new page. That shows u it wasn't avout ur uncle afweyne. Now having said that u oppose madoobe simply subclanish reasons had he been Marehan u would jump up and down in joy. That u finannly had a mamuul goboleed. Sorry but I can't respect that if you really believed in a jubbaland state people u would have supported him. There is no other reason why u oppose him. Is it because he is a former islamist why u hate him. What is it. Hadanay reer nimo hoose ahayn oo kaliya.

The sheer entitlement mistakenly informing your arrogant imposition stuns me----when I am almost never made surprised by most things Somali politica.

YOU. ARE. A. SECESSIONIST. CONSIDERED. BY. MOST. SOMALIS. TO. BE. COMMITTING. TREASON. AND. YOU. HAVE. THE. HUBRIS. NOT. ONLY. TO. CONTEST. MY. FREEDOM.OF. POLITICAL. EXPRESSION. WITHIN. THE. LEGITIMATE. BOUND. OF. STATE. BUT. YOU. EVEN. HAVE. THE. GALLS. TO. PASS. JUDGEMENT. ON. MY. RIGHT. TO. DO. SO.

I am not saddled with doubt regarding the true state of your rational faculties.

I am not a secessionist to be a secessionist I had to be integral part of italian Somalia. I was never ever part of Somalia. The act of union was never ratified evne the Somali Republic was never a legitimate state. Having said that we control the narrative not you. Your so called freedom is solely based on clanish or should I call it subclanish objectives. You wish to have a state for your own small subclan. As u tried to rule the coastal town in the 1990s. For you it has nothing to do with grievances against madoobe u just use that to further legitimise ur claim on kismayo. Adeer wanu ku baranay adiga.

[Gubbet]

...mumbo jumbo...

[Khalid Ali]

Voltage u have been predecting the downfall of madoobe for over 8 years. But all your analyse briefings were wrong on the situation. It looks like madoobe will even outlive. Farmaajo. I mean if farmaajo couldn't deliver u the defeat of madoobe. What makes u think some one else can. Mise xiniiyo qarsoon baad meel ku qarsanaysa.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Gubbet, you should expand the Marexaan section on Wikipedia and provide your sources, this is too informative to let it go under the radar.

Marixmaan, as far as I'm concerned all Darood are aristocracy, the majority of our sub-clan has each had his own sultunate/kingdom, can't say the same for the rest.

Let ask you a serious question no fkd. How can Kabalax and MJ be the eldest born when Marehan have history that predates theirs? Seriously, the oral tradition doesn’t match up with the written taarikh. Nor I’m discounting Majeerteen history as each Darood sub has history that is worth a nation state’s history, bias and internal rivalry aside.

It's my firm belief 80% of our history has been lost/changed, that goes for all Somalis. Who knows how many clans went extinct, or that once upon a time our langaabs used to be the ones calling the shots? What if Darood used to be the langaab and our impressive resume is only thanks to recent memory? (last 1000 years). Oral transmission of events and sequences isn't exactly reliable, too many questions to ponder on.

But to answer your question, I don't know. It's not a big deal to me, if Marexaan were the first born, what's the problem? It'd be great to offer an additional historic perspective on things. Sade, Absame and Harti are so closely related it doesn't matter, if one is older than the other it can't be by much, perhaps you guys were the first to start making moves. What's more important to me is if our abtirsi is legit, that's what I'm having doubts about, maybe Gubbet can chime in here.

All our history is muddied through colonial glaze and their propaganda. There’s no “native” understanding imo since the Kacaan. All these narratives were colonial state propaganda and some clans fall for it because it benefits them. Somalis don’t want accountability. That’s the nomadic arrogance. If you notice history all our greatest leaders were dictators - Imam Ahmed Gurey, Emir Nur, Sayid Mohammed, Sultan Keenadiid, Sultan Mohamud Shire, Siad Barre etc. Somalis need a strong leader. This jileec shit is historical revisionism to stop the natural Darwinian order. Therefore don’t believe what your enemies says. But what you can prove in your superiority.

[Gubbet]

Voltage u have been predecting the downfall of madoobe for over 8 years. But all your analyse briefings were wrong on the situation. It looks like madoobe will even outlive. Farmaajo. I mean if farmaajo couldn't deliver u the defeat of madoobe. What makes u think some one else can. Mise xiniiyo qarsoon baad meel ku qarsanaysa.

And you have been predicting recognition for 30 years so I have 22 more years before we are even.

[Seedyare]

Adal is not that bad an idea but Absame leadership is always paramount in Jubland .Abdi Ibrahim and Magan Yusuf were actual conquerors of Jubaland and Tanaland from Galla.

Marehan have their portion of land in Jubaland but their presence was confined to Gedo where they historically wrestled with a section of Ogaden(AWlyahan) for dominance.

[Gubbet]

Adal is not that bad an idea but Absame leadership is always paramount in Jubland .Abdi Ibrahim and Magan Yusuf were actual conquerors of Jubaland and Tanaland from Galla.

Marehan have their portion of land in Jubaland but their presence was confined to Gedo where they historically wrestled with a section of Ogaden(AWlyahan) for dominance.

[Gubbet]

For those unaware of Marehan culture;

• Internally, the clan identifies as;
  
  
  • Beesha Sade during peace and formal occasions.
  • Marēhān informally and when banners are raised (state of hostilities)
• If ever the clan asks for someone's preference, a friend or an enemy is the salient point..

[original dervish]

Khalid.....you gotta it right the first time.
When the JVA was ruling Kismayo they cannibalised the people and caused and environmental disaster.
They had no affinity for the land or people because HG/MX were foreign to the region......they even named their criminal alliance walaalaha Galgaduud.

Fortunately they were overthrown and driven out and a new J/L state was born that includes EVERY clan.

Ever since then the former moryaans have been using the last two presidents to return their tyranny to Kismayo.

One thing about Somalis is that we know each other very well......all this talk about democracy, nationalism etc is just a ruse to mask petty tribal agenda.

[Halmogg]

Phinks

Why do you have a soft spot for the low caste boons? Something is fishy about you sxb.

Is this phinks guy MJ? Why does he care what people say about these ilkayares ?



Lol @the response he got defending them. Shameful

[Gubbet]

Khalid.....you gotta it right the first time.
When the JVA was ruling Kismayo they cannibalised the people and caused and environmental disaster.
They had no affinity for the land or people because HG/MX were foreign to the region......they even named their criminal alliance walaalaha Galgaduud.

Fortunately they were overthrown and driven out and a new J/L state was born that includes EVERY clan.

Ever since then the former moryaans have been using the last two presidents to return their tyranny to Kismayo.

One thing about Somalis is that we know each other very well......all this talk about democracy, nationalism etc is just a ruse to mask petty tribal agenda.

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