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Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby STARKAST » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:15 pm

Sinister, I try to look past this whole 'qabiliyad' stuff, I like it for what it is when we COMPETE with each other on merit and accomplishment, not who can kill who or which sub-clan controls which gobol/city. My reasoning is this, if Isaaq and Hawiye can get along for the most part, why can't Darood? If Darood can't get along, then let's call it a day and abolish this whole government, you can't have it both ways.

Soft spot? I admit I might have some bias, but that's because they are my actual family (cousins and in-laws), they detest Barre Hiraale and what he did to Harti in Kismayo, I also have OG cousins (moms sister husband) and they have also expressed their frustrations with Madobe and this ongoing charade, people are getting tired of small groups of families with business interests ruining it for everyone else, that goes for all clans.

Majority of Somalis are good people, the problem is that we're hopeless, we got ourselves to blame cause we refuse to put a stop to spoilers both foreign or domestic. Anyways, if you want a abtirsi check hit the dm sxb, I've got nothing to hide.
I accept that you are who you say you are. I don't like to accuse people of being sheegato online. In an ideal world, I would agree with you.

Of course there are a few families with business interests running JL, just like every where else in the world. But do you honestly think failmajo and his ilk are doing everything they can to destabilize JL, work with foreigners and ethiopians, so they can make it equitable? No, they want their families to run things. They want to use JL as their base to bring a kacaan style government back and if they had the ability, they would destabilize PL as well.

OG are a natural ally to PL, while MX have historically been our biggest obstacles. In an ideal world, JL is shared, but the status quo with Madobe in charge is the best for PL. MX's biggest problem is they don't understand their place within Darood. I hate to say it, but as a clan they are not capable of building or development. The Somali Republic was built by mostly people from the Northeast, and then Barre took one of the best countries in africa with strong institutions, and reputation at the time and turned it into a dictatorship. After the civil war, the people of the Northeast and Northwest built their own states. Even places galnus and hiirshabeele have seen some progress, but look at Gedo? Instead of working with Madobe and helping him build JL, these guys want to destroy what little progress has been made in JL and Somalia at large.

All that being said, I agree majority of Somali's are good people, I just think some have poor political/clan leadership.
A MJ has no right to tell MXs what they can do in their land because you clearly told us not speak on yours. If you keep this annoying habit up things will get ugly. MXs never said other Daroods can’t be allowed to live there. You’re against MX, therefore we don’t owe you anything.

The difference is that Harti population are a recorded population since the 1800s in JL hence our say.
MX population today mostly are in Gedo with 2 towns in Galgaguud and Saaxo settlement in PL.
You need to ask yourself how can you gain allies and change the status quo. Logic/politics 101

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby MrSinister » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:19 pm

Starkast

Doqon baad tahay. Mariixmaan knows who his political enemies are. I disagree with him but waa nin rag ah. While soft niggas like you and phinks want to hold hands and sing kumbaya. I hope you guys are not the future of PL.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby STARKAST » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:27 pm

Starkast

Doqon baad tahay. Mariixmaan knows who his political enemies are. I disagree with him but waa nin rag ah. While soft niggas like you and phinks want to hold hands and sing kumbaya. I hope you guys are not the future of PL.
Do you think d block is game of thrones ? I have no time for forum battles,bravado and insults.
My concern is who can bring development and security the best.
Mx and mj are not political and Enemies. It’s just a disagreement on leadership and influence, maybe when you grow up you will understand.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby MrSinister » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:32 pm

Starkast

Doqon baad tahay. Mariixmaan knows who his political enemies are. I disagree with him but waa nin rag ah. While soft niggas like you and phinks want to hold hands and sing kumbaya. I hope you guys are not the future of PL.
Do you think d block is game of thrones ? I have no time for forum battles,bravado and insults.
My concern is who can bring development and security the best.
Mx and mj are not political and Enemies. It’s just a disagreement on leadership and influence, maybe when you grow up you will understand.
Like I said doqon. I’ll assume it’s because of age.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby ReturnOfMariixmaan » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:14 pm

Sinister,

All I’m say is the extremists in PL are only breeding more hawkish MXs. Gubbet represents the rational dhaqan of MXs. Phinks and Starkast seem moderate and agree in principle with Gubbet. There is room for all opinions if there’s a holistic solution. To tell the truth, I haven’t even unlocked Ultra Instinct on you niggas yet hahahaha. There will be a point where the Amandule comes in. Our pride and honor is on the line. Pressure makes beesha more ruthless.


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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby MrSinister » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:23 pm

Sinister,

All I’m say is the extremists in PL are only breeding more hawkish MXs. Gubbet represents the rational dhaqan of MXs. Phinks and Starkast seem moderate and agree in principle with Gubbet. There is room for all opinions if there’s a holistic solution. To tell the truth, I haven’t even unlocked Ultra Instinct on you niggas yet hahahaha. There will be a point where the Amandule comes in. Our pride and honor is on the line. Pressure makes beesha more ruthless.


:wow:

Landheere talk. At least you’re politically aware which is good for the future of MX.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby SpmVeteran2 » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:51 pm

Kismayo is to us what Garissa,Wajir,Bu’aale,Baardheere is an Ogaden Absame city. We have gentlemen agreement with Puntland. They need us more than we need them otherwise they will be isolated politically by Hutus and their minions. Jubaland is an Ogaden kingdom and will always be. Dds and Nfd as well for extra bonuses. No one can try to challenge Ogaden in big 2021 we are starting to slowly wake up and we will crush all our enemies Bi’idnillah!

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby Phinks » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:11 pm

Sinister, Marixmaan, STARKAST: All I want is a effective Somali government that will be respected and feared on the world stage, and eventually Somaliweyne if Allah wills. We can't achieve this with all this bickering and mind games, there are more pressing issues to deal with such as climate change, food security and development of state institutions and industries.

We're a laughing stock to the world, nobody cares about your qabiil, to them we're all skinnies. Harti, Sade and Absame have a historic stake on Jubaland, nobody is going anywhere, let's just get along already.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby Khalid Ali » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:16 pm

Phinks are u a woman

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby Phinks » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:44 pm

I just got with a Isaaq girl recently and she's blowing up my line, you tell me sxb. :lol:

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby ReturnOfMariixmaan » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:04 pm

I just got with a Isaaq girl recently and she's blowing up my line, you tell me sxb. :lol:
Lmao. We aren’t playing mind games. You take us too seriously lmao. What is evident is evident sxb. No matter what I say or do. The trend will go a certain way and it is.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby Phinks » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:29 pm

I just got with a Isaaq girl recently and she's blowing up my line, you tell me sxb. :lol:
Lmao. We aren’t playing mind games. You take us too seriously lmao. What is evident is evident sxb. No matter what I say or do. The trend will go a certain way and it is.
I should've clarified I wasn't talking about you guys, I'm talking about these politicians and leaders being sworn into office making speeches about wadanimo while kowtowing to globalists and allowing these foreigners to set up shop.

What's the alternative? As in a solution for Marexaan? Another war between Harti/Absame vs Sade/Sacad? If it's like that then the region will be engulfed with marauding militias exacting revenge on each other, thousands will be displaced, giving Kenya more reason to stay longer because 'regional stability'.

What Jubaland needs is a new face, Madobe should step down and a proper democratic election be allowed to take place. That trend you speak of is thanks to Kenya, they can't be here forever, sooner or later they'll have to leave seeing as Kenya is crumbling from within from rising debt/tense political atmosphere.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby Gubbet » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:54 pm

I have always been clear; give everyone their due equity and limit NO INDIVIDUAL IN ANY FREEDOM, RIGHT, OR DESIRE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW.

If the system is 4.5 Somalia;

-Marehan owns the single biggest piece of the equity in Jubbaland
,-They have the population, the plurality of districts, the legitimacy (EVEN STRONGER TODAY AFTER 30 YEARS OF TARGETED ATTACK "Siad Barre" brought them blah blah blah), etc.

-There is problem in Jubbaland PRECISELY because an UNNATURAL settlement thst does NOT reflect the very basic realities which even led to the realization of 4.5 and Federalism as Somalia's solution; namely we are clans as socio-cultural institutions and STABILITY in Somalia is dependent on recognizing the equity of spheres of influence.

Jubbaland's single most powerful socio-cultural instituiton with the plurality of influence, settlement, trade, even monopoly of violence is the one titled Marehan.

I don't know what informed the decision made by anyone who tried to advance the unnatural settlement literally dependent on the physical presence of Kenyan military----but I know it was not a rational belief that it could be permanent, long term resolution.

So it is obvious it was done for short term gain, monitory or otherwise, informed by what ever proceeds would yield from its existence while it existed.

I refuse to believe rational and logical belief informed such an irrational and really cancelling assumption about their state of knowledge about Somalid after all this time.

Jubbaland, under 4.5 Somalia has only one NATURAL entity that can control AND influence the sphere from within and around it.

That entity is MAREHAN.

Equity is not only ⏸️ but also horizontal; INDIVIDUALLY every Somali citizen regardless of clan or group should be free and secure to live, work, or trade in Kismaayo ot any other part of Jubbaland.

To me this takes care of the Puntland/MJ share of equity.

You want to live in Kismaayo? You should be free and secure to do so as anyonr else wishes to do so in Mogadishu or Bosaaso or anywhere else.

YOU ARE NOT TO JUBBALAND WHAT A DAROD ISN'T TO BENADIR GOVERNOR OR A NON-MAJEERTEEN ISN'T TO PUNTLAND PRESIDENCY.

You are not relevant, deserving, or symbolically notable in an objective, rational, and logical conversation even about measuring just the weight of Marehan's natural ownership of the equity with the largest shareholding powers over Jubbaland.

I RESENT YOUR VERY UNSOLICITED INPUT JUST AS YOU SHOULD RESENT MY UNSOLICITED INPUT ABOUT WHAT INFORMS THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR EQUITY IN PUNTLAND.

You are NOT Marehan and Jubbaland is NOT Puntland.

It is long past time you understood that if your goal is really to live freely and securely in Kismaayo or any other city in a Jubbaland at peace and quiet.

What equity you think you are due as INDIVIDUALS to live in Kismaayo is never going to be made possible AT THE EXPENSE of the equity Marehan feels due as a socio-cultural INSTITUTION over the federal sphere of influence known as Jubbaland under 4.5.

Period.

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby grandpakhalif » Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:07 pm

I have always been clear; give everyone their due equity and limit NO INDIVIDUAL IN ANY FREEDOM, RIGHT, OR DESIRE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW.

If the system is 4.5 Somalia;

-Marehan owns the single biggest piece of the equity in Jubbaland
,-They have the population, the plurality of districts, the legitimacy (EVEN STRONGER TODAY AFTER 30 YEARS OF TARGETED ATTACK "Siad Barre" brought them blah blah blah), etc.

-There is problem in Jubbaland PRECISELY because an UNNATURAL settlement thst does NOT reflect the very basic realities which even led to the realization of 4.5 and Federalism as Somalia's solution; namely we are clans as socio-cultural institutions and STABILITY in Somalia is dependent on recognizing the equity of spheres of influence.

Jubbaland's single most powerful socio-cultural instituiton with the plurality of influence, settlement, trade, even monopoly of violence is the one titled Marehan.

I don't know what informed the decision made by anyone who tried to advance the unnatural settlement literally dependent on the physical presence of Kenyan military----but I know it was not a rational belief that it could be permanent, long term resolution.

So it is obvious it was done for short term gain, monitory or otherwise, informed by what ever proceeds would yield from its existence while it existed.

I refuse to believe rational and logical belief informed such an irrational and really cancelling assumption about their state of knowledge about Somalid after all this time.

Jubbaland, under 4.5 Somalia has only one NATURAL entity that can control AND influence the sphere from within and around it.

That entity is MAREHAN.

Equity is not only ⏸️ but also horizontal; INDIVIDUALLY every Somali citizen regardless of clan or group should be free and secure to live, work, or trade in Kismaayo ot any other part of Jubbaland.

To me this takes care of the Puntland/MJ share of equity.

You want to live in Kismaayo? You should be free and secure to do so as anyonr else wishes to do so in Mogadishu or Bosaaso or anywhere else.

YOU ARE NOT TO JUBBALAND WHAT A DAROD ISN'T TO BENADIR GOVERNOR OR A NON-MAJEERTEEN ISN'T TO PUNTLAND PRESIDENCY.

You are not relevant, deserving, or symbolically notable in an objective, rational, and logical conversation even about measuring just the weight of Marehan's natural ownership of the equity with the largest shareholding powers over Jubbaland.

I RESENT YOUR VERY UNSOLICITED INPUT JUST AS YOU SHOULD RESENT MY UNSOLICITED INPUT ABOUT WHAT INFORMS THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR EQUITY IN PUNTLAND.

You are NOT Marehan and Jubbaland is NOT Puntland.

It is long past time you understood that if your goal is really to live freely and securely in Kismaayo or any other city in a Jubbaland at peace and quiet.

What equity you think you are due as INDIVIDUALS to live in Kismaayo is never going to be made possible AT THE EXPENSE of the equity Marehan feels due as a socio-cultural INSTITUTION over the federal sphere of influence known as Jubbaland under 4.5.

Period.
Well said, respect individual rights but also respect the natural order of things this post should be embalmed in gold 👏👏👏👏

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Re: Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

Postby barbarossa » Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:18 pm

Yes, in Jubaland we are all equals, but ilkoyars should be accorded the special status of being more equal than others.


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