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That's like you throwing Voltage into Guantanamo

Notice the ironclad brotherhood, mutual respect, and streength of the friendship between Saddam and I huh, Murax as well.

It is unfortunate. I tried.

That's like you throwing Voltage into Guantanamo

Notice the ironclad brotherhood, mutual respect, and streength of the friendship between Saddam and I huh, Murax as well.

It is unfortunate. I tried.

RoM and granpakhalif defends you behind the scenes, and all I have seen you do since coming back to Snet is throw them under the bus, what is this sixir you are working with ? I don't need your friendship waryaa keep posting history threads stay away from politics

AUN Abdullahi Farmaajo the father of President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmaajo

Abdullahi Mohamed Diirshe Shiil Cabdille Alamagan Dalal, known as Farmaajo, was imprisoned during the Italian administered UN trusteeship or AFIS by Giovanni Fornari the first governor of the trusteeship, he was imprisoned for staging the first SYL anti-AFIS protest in Mogadishu in 1950, the people we commemorate were ideologically from a wing of SYL which wanted to hasten the independence and was extremely anti-colonial, they are the ones staging protest, writing petitions etc using the geopolitics at the time and riding the anti-facsist sentiment in the world at the time, they are the godfathers of NGM, AUN many truly nationalist among that camp of SYL were killed or imprisoned from 1950-1960 AUN to all of them.

This is not a dig at others, AUN to all of SYL, they were able to compromise and put their differences aside to at least achieve independence and prevent the alternative which was extension of the trusteeship, despite being different ideologically, AUN to all of them, but I pay huge respect to my ideological ancestors AUN to Sh Ali Jimcaale, AUN to Adan Low, AUN to Abdulahi Issa etc.

RoM I like your interest in pre-kacaan, that is perhaps when the paradigm we are on now was established despite being interrupted by 2 decades of socialism and 3 decades of barbaric civil war and anarchy.

you should learn this era to understand Somali federal politics.

Voltage Adan Low fought Habeshi empire expanding into our territory using Italian empire, he has never done favours for fascists he even fought fascist, so to put it simply you are yet again wrong ! and not understanding geopolitics. History you study is written by victors history I study is in my freaking blood.

The thing about me is. I appreciate all periods of Sade glory. I don’t like to play favorites with taarikh. Did you know while Adan Loow was fighting the British in Ximan and Abdullahi Farmaajo was in Xamar fighting for our freedom; there was a Somali insurgency led by the Jeegir Shuftos which controlled from Nageyle til Gedo, they was fighting the British empire and the Ethiopian empire at the same time, bringing them to a diplomatic row! This conflict brought Libaan to our land holdings. The equestrian class is here to add land and conquer. Sentiment means nothing to men of action. Secondly, there was full on resistance in Jubaland in the early 1900s led by my forefathers which led to the consolidation of our position as led to the sale of Jubaland to Italy and adding our lands to Somalia proper and the deed of ownership. Sade history needs to looked as a connective tissue instead of separate regional or jiffo history. Our history should be studied and valued as a whole not pieces which make us uncomfortable. You run away from the darkness Naturo, I love it lmao. At the same time, I have my critiques of SYL. I don’t doubt their contribution to Somali freedom and independence. None at all, they are halyeys. But their failures allowed the state to decay due to their elite social compact and be taken over by the Equestrian class and in particular the Praetorian Guards. While the civilian leadership or patrician class fought and brought statehood and brought intellectual maturity to the halgan of the Darawiish and the Sayid. They failed when they centralized power and were unloved by the masses - this lead to a rose of a Caesar (MSB) who centralized it even further. While I agree with you in principle. Statehood won’t come until the elites of country are checked not to repeat the mistakes of SYL which which were corruption and letting foreigners have say in our affairs i.e. Arusha Records which angered the Equestrian class. This societal divide wasn’t based on clan btw! You eloquently stated the failures of the Kacaan and I agree on most points. But SYL wasn’t perfect either. One can’t look at the failure of the Kacaan without doing the same with SYL. The new generation has to let go of sentiment and look at all the facts without emotions or attachments to come to a true cure! I appreciate both perspectives of both the Kacaan sympathizers and the SYL loyalists. I propose a middle way. That is the true pragmatism!

Yes I read little about Jeegir, and it turned out to be very interesting and informative, my enemy's enemy is my friend, exactly what Adan Low did in the Italo-Abyssinian war.

horta do not take him for a soft liberal bureaucrat, Adan Low was the highest honored Somali Italian soldier who fought in multiple wars both in and outside of the country, he was among the earliest if not the first Somali to address the UN-League of nations, during the Italo-Abyssinian war putting our interest first before the world, he was not liberal but progressive indeed, he dragged MX elders into the 21st century my great grandfather and indeed most of our great grandfathers and/or grandfathers were against nation state and believed it to be a Kufr, so he dragged them into the 21st century literally sidaa aduunka la jaanqaadno, he was what we needed and to some degree desperately need now, he also had huge influence outside of MX as one of the most likely to be President Somalia in 1968. Siad Barre did not make himself, he is not self made man, he was literally raised by Adan Low, unfortunately he was so emboldened by his power as general and he ended up imprisoning his own teacher in one of the worst jails in Somalia where he left him to die.

That's like you throwing Voltage into Guantanamo

Anyway this thread made me realise you are definitely not Kacaanist as I thought, you have your eyes on the price if you looking into Jeegir, Adan Low, Abdulahi Farmaajo etc basically pre-Kacaan MX history. You should not be like me anti-Kacaan but study and learn from all that way you will be balanced.