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TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby theyuusuf143 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 pm

The peaple of ethiopia have always been suffering.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby luis1 » Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:49 pm

Bring back the WSLF
WSLF was a weak insurgency. Mengistu and cubans crushed it.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby paperino » Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:21 pm

WSLF was a weak insurgency. Mengistu and cubans crushed it.
The Russians, Cubans and others ganging up against WSLF doesn't suggest that it was weak. Mano a mano, WSLF could easily defeat their foes without the involvement of the Soviet.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby Phinks » Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:01 pm

WSLF was a weak insurgency. Mengistu and cubans crushed it.
The Russians, Cubans and others ganging up against WSLF doesn't suggest that it was weak. Mano a mano, WSLF could easily defeat their foes without the involvement of the Soviet.
He's Cuban, let him have it. Poor bastards country is a small island that's only relevance to the world was its close proxmity to the Soviet Union, this is all he has.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby zidane88 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:18 am

Maybe Luiz is this guy.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby paperino » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:35 pm

He's Cuban, let him have it. Poor bastards country is a small island that's only relevance to the world was its close proxmity to the Soviet Union, this is all he has.
Cubans have done well in the fields of medicine & sports, for which I admire. What's strange is luis1 run from communist Cuba to Peru, yet relishes Cubans traveling halfway the world to help Ethiopia. Perhaps he's a religious zealot who can't stand his Christian fellows being defeated by Muslims.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby luis1 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:37 am

Mano a mano, WSLF could easily defeat their foes without the involvement of the Soviet.
The reality is WSLF was crushed by Cuba, Ethiopia and Soviet Union. Nobody can change that fact even Allah can not change that. :mrgreen:
Perhaps he's a religious zealot who can't stand his Christian fellows being defeated by Muslims.
I am just a man who is proud of his country. We won 1977 war and defeated Somalia. Somali nation and somali people will never forget 1977 defeat. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby Phinks » Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:39 am

He's Cuban, let him have it. Poor bastards country is a small island that's only relevance to the world was its close proxmity to the Soviet Union, this is all he has.
Cubans have done well in the fields of medicine & sports, for which I admire. What's strange is luis1 run from communist Cuba to Peru, yet relishes Cubans traveling halfway the world to help Ethiopia. Perhaps he's a religious zealot who can't stand his Christian fellows being defeated by Muslims.
Cuba is a small island, it has no significance to the world in terms of geopolitics, Shipping lanes, population, production, industrial output etc. Industrious people though, I'll give them that.

Like I said, it's all he has, WSLF was fighting against the second largest military faction consisting of half the planet, and backed by the West too (contrary to what many believe, the West and Soviet Union struck a deal, Christian Ethiopia was to be saved at all costs), in addition to Ethiopia, outnumbered 10 to 1, not bad at all. But poor Luis is proud of it, like Cuba actually did something, let's just let him have it.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby luis1 » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:02 pm

Cuban troops played an important role in Ogaden War. All sources support my point of view.

We are the champions :clap:

Check out this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby nine » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:10 pm

He's Cuban, let him have it. Poor bastards country is a small island that's only relevance to the world was its close proxmity to the Soviet Union, this is all he has.
Cubans have done well in the fields of medicine & sports, for which I admire. What's strange is luis1 run from communist Cuba to Peru, yet relishes Cubans traveling halfway the world to help Ethiopia. Perhaps he's a religious zealot who can't stand his Christian fellows being defeated by Muslims.
Cuba is a small island, it has no significance to the world in terms of geopolitics, Shipping lanes, population, production, industrial output etc. Industrious people though, I'll give them that.

Like I said, it's all he has, WSLF was fighting against the second largest military faction consisting of half the planet, and backed by the West too (contrary to what many believe, the West and Soviet Union struck a deal, Christian Ethiopia was to be saved at all costs), in addition to Ethiopia, outnumbered 10 to 1, not bad at all. But poor Luis is proud of it, like Cuba actually did something, let's just let him have it.

Mengistu was at Somalia's mercy and in danger of being toppled. Soviets never intervened in conflicts outiside its neighboring sphere on such a massive and public scale. The Cubans initially struggled to stop the Somali offensive it was USSR's aid that did the trick. Cuban troops continued to stay in Galbeed to prevent a counter attack and keep Mengistu in power.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby luis1 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 1:06 am

Cuban troops played a very important role Ogaden War.

A soviet adviser says a very interesting opinion:



4:42 to 5:19

Cubans crushed Somalia and nobody can change it. :mrgreen:

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby Phinks » Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:41 am

Cubans have done well in the fields of medicine & sports, for which I admire. What's strange is luis1 run from communist Cuba to Peru, yet relishes Cubans traveling halfway the world to help Ethiopia. Perhaps he's a religious zealot who can't stand his Christian fellows being defeated by Muslims.
Cuba is a small island, it has no significance to the world in terms of geopolitics, Shipping lanes, population, production, industrial output etc. Industrious people though, I'll give them that.

Like I said, it's all he has, WSLF was fighting against the second largest military faction consisting of half the planet, and backed by the West too (contrary to what many believe, the West and Soviet Union struck a deal, Christian Ethiopia was to be saved at all costs), in addition to Ethiopia, outnumbered 10 to 1, not bad at all. But poor Luis is proud of it, like Cuba actually did something, let's just let him have it.

Mengistu was at Somalia's mercy and in danger of being toppled. Soviets never intervened in conflicts outiside its neighboring sphere on such a massive and public scale. The Cubans initially struggled to stop the Somali offensive it was USSR's aid that did the trick. Cuban troops continued to stay in Galbeed to prevent a counter attack and keep Mengistu in power.
The support they received was immense, the Ethiopian air force was also given AIM-9 sidewinder missile technology, which tipped the balance of air superiority in their favour. The Ethiopians got 100,000 tonnes of military equipment, 1000 Soviet advisors on the ground and South Yemeni tank battalions in addition to 17,000 Cuban troops + mechanized units.

All this and they still couldn't take down the Somali army, after withdrawing we managed to retain >60% of our armaments.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby Murax » Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:42 am

I don’t know of a society that is the worst possible version of what they could be. Small population, longest coastline, marine resources, a population in 3 countries. If Somalis didn’t play stupid, zero sum games they easily would have been able to reclaim Somali lands right now from Ethiopia, and declare independence. Instead they are torn between some Somalis fighting on behalf of Ethiopia, with others fighting for dear life survival against Afar, Oromo, etc

Sometimes you realize maybe Somalis are just better off being ruled over as subjects.

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby luis1 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:04 pm

All this and they still couldn't take down the Somali army, after withdrawing we managed to retain >60% of our armaments
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This is false, Cubans and Ethiopians crushed Somali army in second Jijiga battle. We expelled Somali army from Ogaden and after Ogaden debacle Somali army was not a serious threat to Ethiopia. Somalia resigned Ogaden claims in 1988.

This is the true, my dear friend. Somalia lost the war and Greater Somalia dream was shattered.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War
For the Barre regime, the invasion was perhaps the greatest strategic blunder since independence,and it weakened the military. Almost one-third of the regular SNA soldiers, three-eighths of the armored units and half of the Somali Air Force (SAF) were lost

Can anyone show me sources that Somalia defeated Cuba and Ethiopia in 1977 war? :mrgreen: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: TDF Capture Afar Regional Capital Samera

Postby luis1 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:14 pm

CIA document about the disastrous situation of Somali army in 1983.

https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electroni ... Id/137368/

ETHIOPIA-SOMALIA: CONTINUING MILITARY IMBALANCE IN THE OGADEN

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CI ... 0003-4.pdf


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