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Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.
Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.
Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.
Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).
Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).
As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.
Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.
Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.
Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.
Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).
Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).
As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.
Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).yes i know Galmudug needs to get rid of Suufa who r controlled by ahlu qubuur yuusuf direed and are proxy militias on behalf of other external entities and bc Duusamareeb is the capital wich should be clean from their backwardness but qoorqoor reached heshiis with Cabsiiye Ceyr and made ina macalin maxmuud an mp only the Dajaal shaakir is left behind. what im talking about is the social contract and clan powersharing like the capital vs the presidency and power rotation. even if they got defeated the Ceyr will still matter in Dhuusamareeb politically and let us not forget this is HG-dominated State where Ceyr see QoorQoor or Xaaf or Guuleed as their fellow clan members and go war together not like PunJub or Hirshabelle. my point is if we want the things to faction in the FMS justly they should have Gentleman's Agreement to ensure the existance of checks and balances where no side has absolute control over the power. Hirshabelle will be based on rotation and the capital and vice president will go together at any adminstration not static(wixii shaley saarnaa madaxweyne ku xigeenka hala wareejiyo)
Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.
Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.
Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.
Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).
Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).
As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.
Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).yes i know Galmudug needs to get rid of Suufa who r controlled by ahlu qubuur yuusuf direed and are proxy militias on behalf of other external entities and bc Duusamareeb is the capital wich should be clean from their backwardness but qoorqoor reached heshiis with Cabsiiye Ceyr and made ina macalin maxmuud an mp only the Dajaal shaakir is left behind. what im talking about is the social contract and clan powersharing like the capital vs the presidency and power rotation. even if they got defeated the Ceyr will still matter in Dhuusamareeb politically and let us not forget this is HG-dominated State where Ceyr see QoorQoor or Xaaf or Guuleed as their fellow clan members and go war together not like PunJub or Hirshabelle. my point is if we want the things to faction in the FMS justly they should have Gentleman's Agreement to ensure the existance of checks and balances where no side has absolute control over the power. Hirshabelle will be based on rotation and the capital and vice president will go together at any adminstration not static(wixii shaley saarnaa madaxweyne ku xigeenka hala wareejiyo)
I agree with you 100% Ustaadow, there needs to be an social contract for any state to function, and this is the very problem that's holding back jubaland with it's Gedo fiasco where the social contract is based not internally but in Nairobi under kikuyes say.
All states as you said ustaad Sahal will eventually settles when they have reached their social agreement.
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. If Sahal says the presidency and capital city of an FMS shouldn't both be in the hands of a single subclan/family then nationally the presidency and capital city of the whole country shouldn't both be in the hands of a single clan, namely Hawiye.


Maxaa kaa galay Jubbaland or Gedo region. You have no say init whatsoever Mr Dugaag. Marehan & Ogaden will eventually settle their disputes but we don’t need 3rd party Poopers having their say. Mind your bussiness sxbUstaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.
Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.
Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.
Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).
Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).
As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.
Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).yes i know Galmudug needs to get rid of Suufa who r controlled by ahlu qubuur yuusuf direed and are proxy militias on behalf of other external entities and bc Duusamareeb is the capital wich should be clean from their backwardness but qoorqoor reached heshiis with Cabsiiye Ceyr and made ina macalin maxmuud an mp only the Dajaal shaakir is left behind. what im talking about is the social contract and clan powersharing like the capital vs the presidency and power rotation. even if they got defeated the Ceyr will still matter in Dhuusamareeb politically and let us not forget this is HG-dominated State where Ceyr see QoorQoor or Xaaf or Guuleed as their fellow clan members and go war together not like PunJub or Hirshabelle. my point is if we want the things to faction in the FMS justly they should have Gentleman's Agreement to ensure the existance of checks and balances where no side has absolute control over the power. Hirshabelle will be based on rotation and the capital and vice president will go together at any adminstration not static(wixii shaley saarnaa madaxweyne ku xigeenka hala wareejiyo)
I agree with you 100% Ustaadow, there needs to be an social contract for any state to function, and this is the very problem that's holding back jubaland with it's Gedo fiasco where the social contract is based not internally but in Nairobi under kikuyes say.
All states as you said ustaad Sahal will eventually settles when they have reached their social agreement.
The only State in which you hear a real dispute between the president and the vice president is Hirshabelle and the reason is that the power is divided on a tribal and regional basis. Waare once said he dealt with his vice president cleverly so that Villa Somalia would not take advantage of him and the others clan is influential in the capital and now Guudlaawe is facing Dabgeed in Baladweyne before the capital was moved into it and the local politicians are with the president who is weaker in there. The power in PL and JL is concentrated in the hands of one clan who controls the capital and the president is from them so you see Dani and Madoobe appointing the mps from other clans because they do not have influence and political weight in the capital. There was a conflict in Boosaaso between Reer Galkacyo and Reer Qardho so they decided to move the capital to a middle place like Garowe and a third party(Reer Faroole) appeared from nowhere to balance the power in the state. this is the secret of PL stability but the non Mj clans will alweys be subject to them so PL needs more decentralization and inclusivity like to elect the federal mps in more than two cities so they can truely represent their clans.
The Galmudug agreement between HG where Dhuusamareeb takes the capital and cadaado the Parliament and mudug(hobyo) the president balances power. the solution is not in the retard Farmaajo outdated program to militarize society in there like he did in Gedo it needs a bottom-up approach and political coohibitan, reconciliation and social contract. Somalis are a tribal society and their political system must be tribal like the Gulf states
if the president from the FMS hails from one subclan and region the capital must to allocated for the other clan and region this will result a system of checks and balances in the State where each one checks or holds back the other one and this helps to keep the balance of power in the State.
listen to the local polticians like Goodah who was against Guudlaawe but now supporting him against Dabageed in Baladweyne!
https://fb.watch/bCEUiiNS0C/
Nice to meet you again kees70. This is trapmacalin from sspot. Saaxib you have real cuqdad towards abgaal so much so you side with xawadle over your own hiraab great great nephew abgaal. And stop spewing bullshit that hg are more dominant than abgaal in xamar. You know godamn same way we are majority and dominant in wadajir and dharkenly in south Mogadishu, you guys also have numbers in huriwa in north Mogadishu. That whole south and north is just politics. Abgaal are majority in 9 districts and are top three in every other. Hg only dominant in three and those are the houses of daroods and isaaqs pre 1991 yaa ahlul tuug. Abg were never majority in places you guys liveUstaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.
Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.
Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.
Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).
Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).
As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.
Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
Wcs brother trapmacalin and welcome, walaal there is no cuqdad or any hatred here, it's just political competition between us Hiraabs and Xawadle, Aniga to be honest would have loved if Abgaal had annexed Lower Shabelle and made their states even bigger, therefore making isqabqabsi between Abgaal and Xawadle practically ZERO.Nice to meet you again kees70. This is trapmacalin from sspot. Saaxib you have real cuqdad towards abgaal so much so you side with xawadle over your own hiraab great great nephew abgaal. And stop spewing bullshit that hg are more dominant than abgaal in xamar. You know godamn same way we are majority and dominant in wadajir and dharkenly in south Mogadishu, you guys also have numbers in huriwa in north Mogadishu. That whole south and north is just politics. Abgaal are majority in 9 districts and are top three in every other. Hg only dominant in three and those are the houses of daroods and isaaqs pre 1991 yaa ahlul tuug. Abg were never majority in places you guys liveUstaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.
Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.
Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.
Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).
Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).
As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.
Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
No problem. I just see you attack abgaal here and there a few times. Saaxib I see hg as brothers. You have to realise lineage wise, ilmo hiraab are like Mohamed salabeen of MJ. That’s how landheere we are. I am genuinely happy for galmudug state as my reer abti waceysle are there. But it’s in the best interest for hg that abgaal lead hirshabelle. As you guys can pave your way even further into lower shabelle if that’s what you wish. Standing up for langaab XL serves no purposeWcs brother trapmacalin and welcome, walaal there is no cuqdad or any hatred here, it's just political competition between us Hiraabs and Xawadle, Aniga to be honest would have loved if Abgaal had annexed Lower Shabelle and made their states even bigger, therefore making isqabqabsi between Abgaal and Xawadle practically ZERO.Nice to meet you again kees70. This is trapmacalin from sspot. Saaxib you have real cuqdad towards abgaal so much so you side with xawadle over your own hiraab great great nephew abgaal. And stop spewing bullshit that hg are more dominant than abgaal in xamar. You know godamn same way we are majority and dominant in wadajir and dharkenly in south Mogadishu, you guys also have numbers in huriwa in north Mogadishu. That whole south and north is just politics. Abgaal are majority in 9 districts and are top three in every other. Hg only dominant in three and those are the houses of daroods and isaaqs pre 1991 yaa ahlul tuug. Abg were never majority in places you guys liveUstaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.
Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.
Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.
Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).
Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).
As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.
Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
Again brother I meant no ill intention here, I just stated all that is wrong in Somalia's states and even included Galmudugs isqabqabsi with their Shia's aswj, so you see it's a State wife problems I mentioned, so I hope you understand now.
P,s I never mentioned Mogadishu demographics here.
No problem. I just see you attack abgaal here and there a few times. Saaxib I see hg as brothers. You have to realise lineage wise, ilmo hiraab are like Mohamed salabeen of MJ. That’s how landheere we are. I am genuinely happy for galmudug state as my reer abti waceysle are there. But it’s in the best interest for hg that abgaal lead hirshabelle. As you guys can pave your way even further into lower shabelle if that’s what you wish. Standing up for langaab XL serves no purposeWcs brother trapmacalin and welcome, walaal there is no cuqdad or any hatred here, it's just political competition between us Hiraabs and Xawadle, Aniga to be honest would have loved if Abgaal had annexed Lower Shabelle and made their states even bigger, therefore making isqabqabsi between Abgaal and Xawadle practically ZERO.
Nice to meet you again kees70. This is trapmacalin from sspot. Saaxib you have real cuqdad towards abgaal so much so you side with xawadle over your own hiraab great great nephew abgaal. And stop spewing bullshit that hg are more dominant than abgaal in xamar. You know godamn same way we are majority and dominant in wadajir and dharkenly in south Mogadishu, you guys also have numbers in huriwa in north Mogadishu. That whole south and north is just politics. Abgaal are majority in 9 districts and are top three in every other. Hg only dominant in three and those are the houses of daroods and isaaqs pre 1991 yaa ahlul tuug. Abg were never majority in places you guys live
Again brother I meant no ill intention here, I just stated all that is wrong in Somalia's states and even included Galmudugs isqabqabsi with their Shia's aswj, so you see it's a State wife problems I mentioned, so I hope you understand now.
P,s I never mentioned Mogadishu demographics here.

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