Somaliland and Somalia hassan sheikh to reach an agreement by the end of this year

[Khalid Ali]

And the talks will be held in the United Arab emirate’s u heard it from me first Somalia will allow somaliland to join the Olympics and have their own seat at fifa the special arangment for aid will be re instated . These are the talking points referendum un supervised will also be discussed no agreement on this Somalia wants ten year somaliland wants five years somalia also inserted a ridiculous re referendum to be held in 50 years or hundred years if indepedence becomes successful very strange but any way this is what I heard from the somaliland mission in Addis Ababa

[FarhanYare]

According to waraabe he know wants farmajo back. Odayga has no backbone one minute insult farmaajo another minute insult xsm.

[SunFromNorth]

The Idoor said the same in Jan 2013 exatly the same talking points

I just wonder why Whites will regonize South Sudan a place where people are literally walking around naked and yet refuses to give Somaliland the same deal

[paperino]

And the dream for the impossible ictiraaf continues on...

[Khalid Ali]

Recognition is just a formality really at the end we rule our land and ur People are Kenyan subjects

Somaliland has all that it wants really we have tamed our kashmiriries we have the dp world project that will generate us more then then two hundred million dollars every year and counting oil exploration is in full gear a possible milliarary base for the USA in berbera is likely to happen

Somaliland has existed now longer then the cancerous union ever existed. Long live the Sadat nation

And may allah keep the jebertis vermins under our shoes

[original dervish]

What the deluded iidoor fail to comprehend is that there is no benefit to a Southern politician in granting sl official recognition.

What does HSM gain in allowing sl to leave the union?
Presently the FGS has a monopoly on all aid, air space revenue, etc......why would they relinquish these revenue streams? The iidoor need to stop being so emotional.

If recognition ever becomes a reality, and I doubt it ever will, it won't be at the hands of a southern politician.
Furthermore, sl has no foreign sponsor. They used to kid themselves Ethiopia would recognise their enclave, then Israel, then Russia, then the AU, then Taiwan.

The international community doesn't want to see any Somali region/ state prospering. The iidoors are like black coons......they think they can be the one black friend that is different to the other blacks......accepted and loved by white supremacists. It ain't never gonna happen but will give them something to talk about in their khaat dens.

[original dervish]

What the deluded iidoor fail to comprehend is that there is no benefit to a Southern politician in granting sl official recognition.

What does HSM gain in allowing sl to leave the union?
Presently the FGS has a monopoly on all aid, air space revenue, etc......why would they relinquish these revenue streams? The iidoor need to stop being so emotional.

If recognition ever becomes a reality, and I doubt it ever will, it won't be at the hands of a southern politician.
Furthermore, sl has no foreign sponsor. They used to kid themselves Ethiopia would recognise their enclave, then Israel, then Russia, then the AU, then Taiwan.

The international community doesn't want to see any Somali region/ state prospering. The iidoors are like black coons......they think they can be the one black friend that is different to the other blacks......accepted and loved by white supremacists. It ain't never gonna happen but will give them something to talk about in their khaat dens.

[STARKAST]

What the deluded iidoor fail to comprehend is that there is no benefit to a Southern politician in granting sl official recognition.

What does HSM gain in allowing sl to leave the union?
Presently the FGS has a monopoly on all aid, air space revenue, etc......why would they relinquish these revenue streams? The iidoor need to stop being so emotional.

If recognition ever becomes a reality, and I doubt it ever will, it won't be at the hands of a southern politician.
Furthermore, sl has no foreign sponsor. They used to kid themselves Ethiopia would recognise their enclave, then Israel, then Russia, then the AU, then Taiwan.

The international community doesn't want to see any Somali region/ state prospering. The iidoors are like black coons......they think they can be the one black friend that is different to the other blacks......accepted and loved by white supremacists. It ain't never gonna happen but will give them something to talk about in their khaat dens.

Talking like a proper dhulos

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[Khalid Ali]

Two things. He can gain and go into history as the man who solved the longest dispute in Africa and solve it. With calico xadhaan or we can go and prolong it and prolong it and eventually somaliland gets what it wants but relations between Somalia and somaliland will be bad because Somalia neither helped or did anything for somaliland other then sabotage. There are a few things going on for somaliland it seems that the biggest block the Arabs who opposed somaliland more then. Walanweyns. Do. Have given up Egypt and Saudi Arabia are not as vocal as be before a decade ago the use has an embassy in hargeisa they invested in the port . Another point is the USA the USA always does thing for their own interest they don’t care whether Abgaal hurt of. Darood is in a bad mood if the Chinese and us contention continues its likely the USA will establish a base in somaliland and when the negotiations come you know what we will demand and since there is no real factor a real power in the horn that opposes us. Like the Turks do with the Kurds things will go smoothly a third factor is if oil is found in somaliland it will be a game changer. Now about Ethiopia Ethiopia always said it will be the second country to recognise somalioand meles. Always made that clear Ethiopia did all for somaliland an ambassador in hargeisa. Accepting the somaliland passport we use the international embassy in Addis Ababa but Ethiopia always played both sides their interest was to prolong the conflict and don’t choose sides because they don’t want to lose leverage if they recognise. Somaliland they can’t control walanweyns so I understand that. The thing somalia loses nothing with somaliland indepedence not sea out let. Ethiopia accepted Eritrea independence knowing they have to pay to jabuuti two billion dollars every year for port fees they lost the most what will somalia lose some aid. Come on man

[Khalid Ali]

Two things. He can gain and go into history as the man who solved the longest dispute in Africa and solve it. With calico xadhaan or we can go and prolong it and prolong it and eventually somaliland gets what it wants but relations between Somalia and somaliland will be bad because Somalia neither helped or did anything for somaliland other then sabotage. There are a few things going on for somaliland it seems that the biggest block the Arabs who opposed somaliland more then. Walanweyns. Do. Have given up Egypt and Saudi Arabia are not as vocal as be before a decade ago the use has an embassy in hargeisa they invested in the port . Another point is the USA the USA always does thing for their own interest they don’t care whether Abgaal hurt of. Darood is in a bad mood if the Chinese and us contention continues its likely the USA will establish a base in somaliland and when the negotiations come you know what we will demand and since there is no real factor a real power in the horn that opposes us. Like the Turks do with the Kurds things will go smoothly a third factor is if oil is found in somaliland it will be a game changer. Now about Ethiopia Ethiopia always said it will be the second country to recognise somalioand meles. Always made that clear Ethiopia did all for somaliland an ambassador in hargeisa. Accepting the somaliland passport we use the international embassy in Addis Ababa but Ethiopia always played both sides their interest was to prolong the conflict and don’t choose sides because they don’t want to lose leverage if they recognise. Somaliland they can’t control walanweyns so I understand that. The thing somalia loses nothing with somaliland indepedence not sea out let. Ethiopia accepted Eritrea independence knowing they have to pay to jabuuti two billion dollars every year for port fees they lost the most what will somalia lose some aid. Come on man

[Khalid Ali]

Two things. He can gain and go into history as the man who solved the longest dispute in Africa and solve it. With calico xadhaan or we can go and prolong it and prolong it and eventually somaliland gets what it wants but relations between Somalia and somaliland will be bad because Somalia neither helped or did anything for somaliland other then sabotage. There are a few things going on for somaliland it seems that the biggest block the Arabs who opposed somaliland more then. Walanweyns. Do. Have given up Egypt and Saudi Arabia are not as vocal as be before a decade ago the use has an embassy in hargeisa they invested in the port . Another point is the USA the USA always does thing for their own interest they don’t care whether Abgaal hurt of. Darood is in a bad mood if the Chinese and us contention continues its likely the USA will establish a base in somaliland and when the negotiations come you know what we will demand and since there is no real factor a real power in the horn that opposes us. Like the Turks do with the Kurds things will go smoothly a third factor is if oil is found in somaliland it will be a game changer. Now about Ethiopia Ethiopia always said it will be the second country to recognise somalioand meles. Always made that clear Ethiopia did all for somaliland an ambassador in hargeisa. Accepting the somaliland passport we use the international embassy in Addis Ababa but Ethiopia always played both sides their interest was to prolong the conflict and don’t choose sides because they don’t want to lose leverage if they recognise. Somaliland they can’t control walanweyns so I understand that. The thing somalia loses nothing with somaliland indepedence not sea out let. Ethiopia accepted Eritrea independence knowing they have to pay to jabuuti two billion dollars every year for port fees they lost the most what will somalia lose some aid. Come on man

[Kees70]

No Hawiye will ever let Somaliland go, Khalid is simply deluded to think otherwise, SL is Federal state of Somalia.

[original dervish]

Khalid you make some good points, however, none of them necessitate sl recognition as an independent state.

The foreign countries can get whatever they want from sl without recognising you.

Your points vis- a-vis Ethiopia were salient. Ethiopia will never recognise sl......they would lose the current leverage they have over you for nothing in return.

Appealing to the southerners sense of history is futile. They know only two things.......money and force, nothing else.
HSM is more concerned about the bank book not the history book.

I don't blame the iidoor sticking to their guns......joining the South doesn't make economic political or military sense. Not while the South is is in a state of chaos anyway.

The iidoor missed the chance to work with the Hawiye around 13 years ago.......they could have extracted so many concessions and still pursued secession. Unfortunately there was nobody with the vision to implement a twin tracked approach.

Look at Iraqi Kurdistan........they're a defacto independent state within the framework of a federal Iraq. The Kurds still haven't given up their secessionist agenda......they're just using realpolitik for now. The iidoors should have taken a similar approach.

[Khalid Ali]

Od valid how ever. When I say when the western power want something they can’t just get everhing they can get allot. But they won’t get everything they wants. I will give u an example the Germans in the early 2000s wanted a military base. In somaliland. Ina cigaal Saïd Well if you want u have to recognise our independence open an embassy and train and equip our army You willl get the base for free then then. They said. Well that’s to much they moved to jabuuti with the Americans we will stick to our guns. To and say recognise somaliland first anything else can be discussed and. If they say no they can leave we won’t need them. I forgot one thing to mention though somaliland has one more card the walanweyn will shoot them selves in the foot. This what gonne happen the walanweyn how long they prolong it they need to put the so called drafted constitution of their so called govt to a vote and when that day comes in order to legitimatise their constitution they need and the west told them that by international law somaliland has to vote and we all
Know no vote will happen in somaliland if they go forward with it and push their constitution and hold vote only Somalia raas casee raas kambooni. This means while not even wanting it. They have recognised somaliland independence


Kees that is not a secret that hawiye and darood a like are opposed to somaliland indepedence nothing new there. Sxb


By the way od we don’t need to adopt or wanting to be under xamar to get thing done as the Kurdish do with Iraq they scared of turkey. We don’t need to do that we get aid we have diplomatically offices in Hargeisa we get international investment what are we exactly missing. The only way we would temporarily works with xamar is they allow a un supervised referendum on independence in somaliland that could be interesting. Anything less is pointless and waiste of time and dibu dhac

[STARKAST]

No Hawiye will ever let Somaliland go, Khalid is simply deluded to think otherwise, SL is Federal state of Somalia.

Hawiye are Wadani and understand Somalia.