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These clashes originally started at Dacdheer, on the border.



Today's clash was at Laanwaaley.





Anyone who understands the significance of this immediately realizes the offensive and defensive positions have switched between the belligerents.




The 3 comparisons are of Saaxo when declared, at year 2, and today 6 years later.



For those not aware, "Saaxo" represents original Gelinsoor grazing lands...renamed Saaxo by the clan in Caabudwaaq as a declaration of "sole" ownership by contest of arms.

The bulk of the original Gelinsoor grazing lands renamed "Saaxo" have indeed come under the ownership of the Cabudwaq clan (Dacdheer, Kaxandhaale, Furinta Foore water and pasture equities), but these clashes northeast of the grazing lands point to the start of a new phase in this conflict.

I am not sure yet, but knowing this issue well and seeing the trajectory, this is a new chapter not solely between the two main belligerents.

You cannot fail to assume this looking at the map and seeing a connection directly between Saaxo and Gaalkacyo implicates not just the "hegemony" of the Cabudwaq group in defending the sole ownership of Saaxo grazing lands regained through belligerence ---but also implicates the hegemony of the entity of North Gaalkacyo in linking and securing multiple old and...new equities of Puntland between Galdogob and Galkacyo and.. Garacad.

Gubbet, there is one thing that has been a thorn in my side from the beginning. It's the town of gelinsoor itself. Wagardhac surround the place from all sides. Rather than these clashes to the northeast of saaxo. Maybe it's time to resolve the gelinsoor issue once and for all. Wagardhac should not be undertaking any fight that doesn't deliver gelinsoor into their hands.

Gubbet, there is one thing that has been a thorn in my side from the beginning. It's the town of gelinsoor itself. Wagardhac surround the place from all sides. Rather than these clashes to the northeast of saaxo. Maybe it's time to resolve the gelinsoor issue once and for all. Wagardhac should not be undertaking any fight that doesn't deliver gelinsoor into their hands.

Wagardhac are lions on their own. I wouldn’t worry. What have we to do especially is build a road/highway from Nageyle and Libaan to Beledxawo and Doolow. Linking it up with the Daawa dry ports

Take your Fake News and delusions to the Somalispot diaspora kids, the deadly Clash happened in Saaxo's vicinity where mj/Pl election committee were gathered and were later dispersed, the attack were aimed on those mj committee, as for the area of the clash by no means did it happen nowhere near Laanwaaley, it was in Saaxo area.

Kees, having unblocked you for your response to this topic, that's because you have no organic understanding of these issues. The extent of your awareness is social media nonsense and you think the salient take away are petty arguments about whether this is 1 more KM towards here or towards the other side of about there is 1 more death to your side s opposed to another. It's what children believe about the importance of conflict. For example, all through 2021, there was alleged clashes in "Haraale" "duleedka Balanbale" and even the Zak individual who made that a nick to respond to me in recent Balanbale topics displayed this ridiculous ignorance. Guess what Haraale was? It doesn't exist. It was Xerale and the clashes were always initiated by Balanbale town gaurantee the wider perimeter of Gaxandhaale. You can see on ACLED records it was always Balanbale town attacking. And what were they attacking? Balanbale was cutting off Xerale from Bohol. Remember Xerale is in central Abudwaq and between her and Dhusamareeb/Guriceel there were no settlements of MX. This was especially how during Ahlu Sunnah Bohol to Xerale became a route into Abudwaq from Guriceel/Dhusamareb. Well turns out as a result of "securing the perimeter, Rer Balanbale were literally going northeast to intercept Xeraaale and the road and instituting themselves in between. But all last year, social media would make you believe Balanbale was besieged and. "Haraale duleedka Balanbale" was a real village subject of invasion from the East. Similarly, the point here is irrelevant to those superficial conversations you brought. The salient point is the clashes are implicating EAST and between Gaalkacyo and Saaxo now. And even that fhe presence of "Puntland" officials might implicate that it is a facilitating plan for justifying possible north Gaalkacyo decisions to take a more outsized role in the southwest Gaalkacyo clashes now for strategic reasons.

Sbashi, Gelinsoor is at this point, an argument about legitimacy. I have never observed that it is an actual legitimately coveted "objective." It is like "Dhusa mareb." You won't find a single Marehan that actually wants or cares to settle in Dhusamareb, but as an argument about legitimacy, it is powerful for keeping an iron fence around their real equities; their grazing in the west. There is not even the possibility of being compelled to relax your hard position in grazing during even "gogol" when you carry preemptive "Gelinsoor ama Dhusamareb". Gelinsoor and Dhusamareb not about settlement, Marehan have enough and even some of the biggest settlements in Galgaduud. Gelinsoor and Dhusamareb are about a hard offensive even preemptive ruling out of yielding on shared grazing.

Gubbet, there is one thing that has been a thorn in my side from the beginning. It's the town of gelinsoor itself. Wagardhac surround the place from all sides. Rather than these clashes to the northeast of saaxo. Maybe it's time to resolve the gelinsoor issue once and for all. Wagardhac should not be undertaking any fight that doesn't deliver gelinsoor into their hands.

Wagardhac are lions on their own. I wouldn’t worry. What have we to do especially is build a road/highway from Nageyle and Libaan to Beledxawo and Doolow. Linking it up with the Daawa dry ports

There is already highway saxib. The highway from beledxaawo to doolow is in the planning stages i believe and will be built soon.

You know earlier this evening I was having a conversation with an old Rer Caabudwaaq and I brought up these issues about grazing and whether---ignoring everything else like concepts of ownership, even past recriminations---whether on just human level and as Somali neighbors and compatriots, families even and extended kin, etc whether they had misgivings about segregating each other and barring themelves from grazing and feed based on "clan."

You know what they told me?

Even during "their" lifetime it wasn't always so.

They recalled various moments where they witnessed extraordinary expressions of neighborliness and concern for each other; one time, Habar Gidir/Saleebaan, for example, having suffered disproportionately the effects of a seasonal drought, were sent a welcome by Marehan tribal leaders, without even being asked, and escorted to Raqo and Buuro of all places west of Caabudwaaq, even Burgeesoole. I mean literally the entire clan around Cadaado were being escorted and through the heart of Marehan territory to where Marehan still had reserves, thougu significantly depleted by then as well. There was no even providing "protection" because anyone who so as much as looked at them had transgressed against his own elder since the elders had extended the welcome. It wasn't even once or couple times even.

They also recalled many moments where their neighbors to east also came to their aid. At one time one of the main wells of Caabudwaaq was demolished because Caabudwaaq had grown as a settlement and the well in the middle of the settlement by then was a hazard to young children. There were instances of children falling in. But in any case, Habar Gidir in Cadaado, Mareerguur, to Dhusamareb sent welcomes to come and share water and pasture since the supply in Caabudwaaq had been significantly impacted.

They told me the story of how one of their Habar Gidir neighbors then at Mareerguur was especially helpful and attentive to them. He had one eye because of a prior accident. Well the friendship formed by the man and their family resulted in life long links---their family would always welcome him to their grazing through a personal invite anytime he faced difficulties east. They would even call upon each other when they were in the area and the guy would stay with them whenever he was in Caabudwaaq area. They shared a light comedic moment where, because the guy had 1 eye, having brought him dinner while staying with them in a visit to Caabudwaaq, the guy said "now where did you put the food, because I can't see it and they laughed saying they must have put it on the side of his blind eye.

It is extraordinary wallahi.

But they shared a nugget of such importance I don't even think they realized how profound it was.

According to their experience---and this was a 70 year old person---the beginning of serious bad blood and this hard concept around "ownership" of grazing began with---

---the introduction of the "berked."

Profound wallahi. I am still thinking and grappling with that extremely important observation that the introduction of the "berked" system was the start of all the strongly animating issues which even "fed" the civil war as they said.

Recall that I previously came to the understanding on my own just looking at these issues from a critical point of view that the "berked" is also what exacerbates and contributes to the growth and frequency of range and feed degradation and water depletion making pastoralist Somalis more and more vulnerable to climate change.

In fact, the berked system is why droughts are worse and why pastoralism is no longer sustainable especially in Warder. At least in the past, adaptation made pastoralist "migrate" which allowed feed and range to recover. No the berked made them build settlements where nature never allowed them for a reason and momentary settlement has completely made them blind to the looming disaster.

But to hear someone innocently convey the observation, without even trying to implicate the berked, that the development of the berked was the moment that separated treating each other as fellow neighbors and brothers despite the clan difference and regular wargames and the moment up to now where hearts do not exist and we are existentially in hegemonic conflict is incredibly profound.

The berked might be the single biggest killer of Somalis more than guns and even disease.

Aun.