Give Hargeisa the capital if Somalia is serious about bringing Somaliland back.

[Gubbet]

I understand Somaliland is implicated in an independence bid so this is is not a topic really for them.

This is for Somalia.

Somaliland until now has had no substantive, weighty offer of equity as conditionality for coming back and while this is understandable considering Somalia was in civil war and still not out---it is time something weighty and permanent was implicated in Somalia discussions if there is to be serious traction on this issue.

President, PM and political positions cannot be "legally" offered as even 4.5 is not a "legal" principal but honor based understanding and even if this could be made a "legal" framework somehow able to overcome the legal hurdle of equality before the law---it would preclude democracy itself as who wins positions is supposed to be judged by the ballot. For example even now under 4.5 , you have had guys like Xiddig who is Darod run for Speaker of Parliament meaning "legally" the law isn't run afoul of even if the honor based understanding is adhered to by "unanimous choice."

Well that leaves the "seat" of government as the single most important equity that can be "legally" bequeathed. The constitution says the capital is to be decided meaning Mogadishu is simply "hosting" the government right now like Jowhar and Baidoa before it during Abdullahi Yusuf.

Therefore, following agreement, it can be sealed immediately by "legally" writing into the constitution that Hargeisa is the capital of Somalia.

That is a, binding, legally guaranteed and assured "permanent equity" that can be implicated as an "offer" in exchange for Somaliland coming back.

And Somalia should offer it ---if it has ever been serious and genuine about bringing Somaliland back.

Even before SNM-Siad, Somaliland was with grievance concerning being a shareholder to "ownership" over what Somalia meant post-merger between north and south. Having a sense of ownership is really about "belonging" rather than feeling like a "guest." Nothing---absolutely nothing says more about "belonging" and "home" than being the seat of government.

Having been to Hargeisa and actually experienced that city on my own without a single family member or immediate relative living there or even with family with any remarkable level of family history, I loved Hargeisa. I loved the people of Hargeisa. Even right now in the midst the Las Anod war with my strong and unflinching support to SSC self-defense with identifying them as very clearly having been attacked by Muuse and even writing that on my social media feeds, I am in very personal and warm communication with the friends, acquaintances, and peers I have met, came across, and befriended. Wallahi ironically enough not 1 single one of them has given me a single question about my views regarding LA war and wallahi I have not given them a single question about their political statements.

And finally, I have been to Mogadishu. A lot. I have family history, properties, family heirlooms, extended relatives both my clan and other clans (I remember that day when 30 jir security minister allegedly shut down the Hamarwayn road connecting Daljirka to Waberi when Farmajo fired Rooble for "firing" Fahad Yaasin, less than half hour later with me asleep, my HG/Saleebaan habar yar came into my well guarded perimeter neighborhood in Waberi with 2 full teknikos of extended male kin of hers, and conversely myself, who were HG and told me to pack up, she was taking me to her place because I was that close to potential clash if it happened only for me to convince her I was fine after two hours of arguing) so I have nothing but love for Mog.

Hargeisa I have found no less livable or cosmopolitan or friendly or warm or capable of hosting the Somali people's seat of government. I have actually even found it so much more capable of peace, security, and ironically given the reputation subscribed to northern Somalis but as even "more charming." It is time for Somalia to act the level of maturity required and show it is capable of being implicated in the level of responsibility required to seriously bring a resolution to thos issue. Somalia should be willing to pay the highest price for bringing Somaliland back---if it wants it back

The single highest price that can be "legally" guaranteed as an offer if accepted has 100% assurance of being a binding deal that is juridically backed up by the highest legal standard of constitutionality is offer of "seat of government" to Somaliland as an offer of serious and substantive permanent equity guarantee for rejoining Somalia.

Whether Somaliland accepts it or not---it is their prerogative.

But Somalia should become prepared to offer it.

[mahoka]

It’s not only the capital but we need a north south power sharing negotiations including the capital, removal of pm position for a vice President position, removal of the state borders, reverting back to the original 6 Provences, removal of names such as Somalia/Somaliland for somali republic or such similar names


One thing we must understand as northerners is that the southern people didn’t put a gun to our heads in 1960- instead self serving northern politicians agreed to make the north a simple Provence of the south (for whatever reason)


We also need resource sharing agreement - productive regions and people must be given much more importance over non productive or less productive regions/communities / there is a reason somali people rejected the stinking marxist ideology of the previous dictator. We need to encourage the useful people and discourage the less useful people - this is how you create strong, equatable nations and societies - this doesn’t mean we refuse to help those suffering but rather there should be a charity provision like our religion and cultural heritage showcases

[Gubbet]

It’s not only the capital but we need a north south power sharing negotiations including the capital, removal of pm position for a vice President position, removal of the state borders, reverting back to the original 6 Provences, removal of names such as Somalia/Somaliland for somali republic or such similar names


One thing we must understand as northerners is that the southern people didn’t put a gun to our heads in 1960- instead self serving northern politicians agreed to make the north a simple Provence of the south (for whatever reason)


We also need resource sharing agreement - productive regions and people must be given much more importance over non productive or less productive regions/communities / there is a reason somali people rejected the stinking marxist ideology of the previous dictator. We need to encourage the useful people and discourage the less useful people - this is how you create strong, equatable nations and societies - this doesn’t mean we refuse to help those suffering but rather there should be a charity provision like our religion and cultural heritage showcases

Raganimmo. Xaq baad u leedahay inaad soo bandhigto waxa aad tabanaysoo oo miiska wadahadalka la saaro dooddeedu/qaadashadeedu/falcellinteedu idinka iyo Soomaaliyana aad isla gorfaysaan.

Keliya anigu waxaan oran lahaa "rejoining" should be limited to your xaq affecting you not as implicate dulmi towards others. For example the number of administrative regions in Somalia existed before 1991 before you had even declared independence; it existed when you were merely fight "a" government of Somalia in which you considered yourself part of. Other region's administrative make up does not impact your equity, it doesn't control your members of Parliament or 4.5, virtually nothing really. Reunification is about you and Somalia not other people and Somalia.

My position is that Somalia must offer or implicate the very real possibility of being prepared to accept the seat of government and its guaranteed entitlement to become the equity investiture of Somaliland as an assurance grant for rejoining Somalia at a minimum.

[Murax]

Raggnimo waa saas. Let’s share a country Mahoka where you can continue to discuss ‘Doofaar’ unflatteringly yet as Countrymen.

[skywalker25]

It’s not only the capital but we need a north south power sharing negotiations including the capital, removal of pm position for a vice President position, removal of the state borders, reverting back to the original 6 Provences, removal of names such as Somalia/Somaliland for somali republic or such similar names


One thing we must understand as northerners is that the southern people didn’t put a gun to our heads in 1960- instead self serving northern politicians agreed to make the north a simple Provence of the south (for whatever reason)


We also need resource sharing agreement - productive regions and people must be given much more importance over non productive or less productive regions/communities / there is a reason somali people rejected the stinking marxist ideology of the previous dictator. We need to encourage the useful people and discourage the less useful people - this is how you create strong, equatable nations and societies - this doesn’t mean we refuse to help those suffering but rather there should be a charity provision like our religion and cultural heritage showcases

Mahoka,

You really are a simple lad. You see things in black and white. This conflict in Las anood is about YOU as [Isaaq] cannot rule me [Darod]from Hargeisa. Simple. So why would a [Darod] alow you to rule all of Somalia? This whole post is aimed at the Hawiye to say if u don’t give us more we will move the capital. The darod in Puntland will not allow HMS to come to Puntland as a president. These guys are wolfs in sheep’s clothing. Treat them like alligators speak to them from a distance. If they get close violence but don’t be a foodley my n!gga and run to them after a little shukansi.

[BigBreak]

Exactly right Skywalker, Darods will suffer if any hypothetical reunion was to occur even though irrationally they are the biggest enemy of independent JSL but alas reunion will not happen. The independence and borders of Somaliland are sacrosanct

Regardless of unity or separation, ex Italian Somalia will be one polity ruled by Hawiye with a Hawiye city as capital. Likewise ex British Somaliland will be one polity ruled by Isaaq with an Isaaq city as capital

[cheifaqilbari]

[original dervish]

It’s not only the capital but we need a north south power sharing negotiations including the capital, removal of pm position for a vice President position, removal of the state borders, reverting back to the original 6 Provences, removal of names such as Somalia/Somaliland for somali republic or such similar names


One thing we must understand as northerners is that the southern people didn’t put a gun to our heads in 1960- instead self serving northern politicians agreed to make the north a simple Provence of the south (for whatever reason)


We also need resource sharing agreement - productive regions and people must be given much more importance over non productive or less productive regions/communities / there is a reason somali people rejected the stinking marxist ideology of the previous dictator. We need to encourage the useful people and discourage the less useful people - this is how you create strong, equatable nations and societies - this doesn’t mean we refuse to help those suffering but rather there should be a charity provision like our religion and cultural heritage showcases

Mahoka,

You really are a simple lad. You see things in black and white. This conflict in Las anood is about YOU as [Isaaq] cannot rule me [Darod]from Hargeisa. Simple. So why would a [Darod] alow you to rule all of Somalia? This whole post is aimed at the Hawiye to say if u don’t give us more we will move the capital. The darod in Puntland will not allow HMS to come to Puntland as a president. These guys are wolfs in sheep’s clothing. Treat them like alligators speak to them from a distance. If they get close violence but don’t be a foodley my n!gga and run to them after a little shukansi.

What is your alternative.......continued isolation and war?
Always accusing people of munafiqism eh?

[mahoka]

It’s not only the capital but we need a north south power sharing negotiations including the capital, removal of pm position for a vice President position, removal of the state borders, reverting back to the original 6 Provences, removal of names such as Somalia/Somaliland for somali republic or such similar names


One thing we must understand as northerners is that the southern people didn’t put a gun to our heads in 1960- instead self serving northern politicians agreed to make the north a simple Provence of the south (for whatever reason)


We also need resource sharing agreement - productive regions and people must be given much more importance over non productive or less productive regions/communities / there is a reason somali people rejected the stinking marxist ideology of the previous dictator. We need to encourage the useful people and discourage the less useful people - this is how you create strong, equatable nations and societies - this doesn’t mean we refuse to help those suffering but rather there should be a charity provision like our religion and cultural heritage showcases

Raganimmo. Xaq baad u leedahay inaad soo bandhigto waxa aad tabanaysoo oo miiska wadahadalka la saaro dooddeedu/qaadashadeedu/falcellinteedu idinka iyo Soomaaliyana aad isla gorfaysaan.

Keliya anigu waxaan oran lahaa "rejoining" should be limited to your xaq affecting you not as implicate dulmi towards others. For example the number of administrative regions in Somalia existed before 1991 before you had even declared independence; it existed when you were merely fight "a" government of Somalia in which you considered yourself part of. Other region's administrative make up does not impact your equity, it doesn't control your members of Parliament or 4.5, virtually nothing really. Reunification is about you and Somalia not other people and Somalia.

My position is that Somalia must offer or implicate the very real possibility of being prepared to accept the seat of government and its guaranteed entitlement to become the equity investiture of Somaliland as an assurance grant for rejoining Somalia at a minimum.

New power sharing negotiations will start off from 1960 nort south power sharing negotiation attempts - we can’t keep your dead dictator’s tribal inspired Provences.

6 Provences, two centres of power (Mogadishu, hargeisa) this is the starting point

[original dervish]

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It’s not only the capital but we need a north south power sharing negotiations including the capital, removal of pm position for a vice President position, removal of the state borders, reverting back to the original 6 Provences, removal of names such as Somalia/Somaliland for somali republic or such similar names


One thing we must understand as northerners is that the southern people didn’t put a gun to our heads in 1960- instead self serving northern politicians agreed to make the north a simple Provence of the south (for whatever reason)


We also need resource sharing agreement - productive regions and people must be given much more importance over non productive or less productive regions/communities / there is a reason somali people rejected the stinking marxist ideology of the previous dictator. We need to encourage the useful people and discourage the less useful people - this is how you create strong, equatable nations and societies - this doesn’t mean we refuse to help those suffering but rather there should be a charity provision like our religion and cultural heritage showcases
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Mahoka,

You really are a simple lad. You see things in black and white. This conflict in Las anood is about YOU as [Isaaq] cannot rule me [Darod]from Hargeisa. Simple. So why would a [Darod] alow you to rule all of Somalia? This whole post is aimed at the Hawiye to say if u don’t give us more we will move the capital. The darod in Puntland will not allow HMS to come to Puntland as a president. These guys are wolfs in sheep’s clothing. Treat them like alligators speak to them from a distance. If they get close violence but don’t be a foodley my n!gga and run to them after a little shukansi.
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What is your alternative.......continued isolation and war?
Always accusing people of munafiqism eh?
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I support this......without the Dhulbahante SSC regions.

[BigBreak]

Like every other country in Africa, Somaliland will not have her colonial made borders tampered with. So called SSC is forever part of Somaliland

[original dervish]

Unfortunately events have taken a different turn.
Dhulbahante will never ever be controlled from Hargeisa.

[theyuusuf143]

@Gubet

The only time I would consider to sell my somaliland Stoke Is if the value of somalia rises atleast 10 times compare to somaliland. Diintayda 1aad , 2aad iyo 3aadba waa dhaqaale. Every thing waxan Ka eegaa dhinaca dhaqaalaha.

Hargeisa caasimada isaaq xitaa uma qalanto caasimada soomaliyeed iska dhaafe. Waa meelanu si habqana oo bilaa qorshe ah u degnay. Anagaaba bedelayna markuu ilaahay wax na siiyo oo berbera ama somewhere in saaxil Ka dhisayna caasimad lagu indha daraandaro. Hargeisa Lagos bay noqotay. Meel fiican bay Ku taal laakiin waa big village . Dad dhulka irsaaqad Ka dayaa Ku habsaday.


Sidaa indrkay Skywalker sheegaan, la qabaa waxna Ku Dari maayo waxna Ka dhimi maayo.

[Murax]

TheYuusuf, Mahoka, are two of the more reasonable Somalilanders you’ll see. Yacni Dhinac TheYuusuf Ma Fiyoow lakin at least he realizes ultimately it behooves him to take Calanka IRIR and accept is his country

[KacdoonSool]

Who the hell does Voltage think he is to give our capital to Isaaq ? and what is this somaliland is talking about ? last time I checked the blue flag was flying over Lasanood so Somaliland is already back

The Idoor are not better than any other clan they can get a federal state just like the rest of us