Reconciliation conference: Beesha Sade and Habar Gidir.

[DawladSade]

Hello beesha Sade,

This will commence the second chapter of the new Sade policy of strengthening peace and brotherhood with our fellow Somali brothers.

For as long as I can remember enmity has existed between our clan and the invited clan. From our greatest ancestors to our modern use of Somalinet, we have continued to show hostility and disrespect towards Habar Gidir and they have been forced to return in kind. I want to break the cycle. These people are our neighbors and while the civil war has had more impact on our relationship more then any other peoples, we must try to communicate and analyze what led us to this point and how we can overcome it to work hand in hand for the interest of our nation and people as a whole. We must at least try to talk.

Because of that reason I have invited such prominent Habar Gidir members of Snet as Abdiwahab, Karbash, Adanboy, and Somali-Trans. Because this our venue as in the first chapter I am enforcing a ban of any Sade trolling in this area and am giving them the first opportunity to explain what their opinion of us is, what their general feeling towards our relationship is, and how we can overcome it for the interest as well benefit of Somalia and Somalinimo.

Waad mahadsantihiin.


p.s. As in before, Saddam no trolling and we will wait for our guests to arrive.

[Luq_Ganane]

I hope this turns out better than the last shir.

[Karbaash_killa]

Thanks for this invitation DS…

In regards to this meeting let me introduce my views and opinions on this whole matter.

I’ve been a member on s/net since early 2005 as I have observed my way into these forums and often to many people here I developed away of responding to them according to their behavior or attitude which then unfortunately makes me come across as hardcore qabiilist.

DS this is a brave step but as you can imagine I have great suspicions of your timing with the late conference. So I would first and foremost like to know what embarked you on this potentially catastrophic conference.

In response to your query on how to break the cycle of clan hostility between HG and Sade..

I think the sole problem is not clan diversity nor is it clan based politics but Clan based pride combined with ignorance. This is what stopped Somali clans from getting along and lending each other a hand of brotherhood.

On the Contrary from your views, I believe HG genuinely don’t hate other clans but despise the Ignorance of senseless pride that comes with it at the point of emerging and then consequently respond with means of violence which is also contemptible.

Last but not least I would also like to appeal against the chosen venue for this conference and would suggest Galguduud forums would be more appropriate… for both of us.

[AbdiWahab252]

Thanks for the invite DS.

The issue is very complex as not all Marexan and HG are enemies. The picture is more complex:


1. Wagardhac & Sacad = Peaceful neighbors
2. Rer Dalal & Cayr = Relative friends and allies until the UIC.
3. Saruur & Marexan = No neighbors no beef
4. Saleban & Wagardhac = Enemies

So we need to break down the reconciliation level down to a subclan levels.

But a good effort.

[DawladSade]

Abdiwahab, reer Dalal and Cayr don't share a border. Bah-Xawaadle (reer Siyaad, reer Warsame, and reer Ugaas Shermaake) share borders with Cayr.

I was expecting on reaching good amicable terms with the Sacad, but it is with the Cayr I wanted to get down to business with. Where are you my allies?

[AbdiWahab252]

DS,

U abandoned your best ally in the Hawiye

Now u have no strong ally there.

So how come there are no Wagardhac folks here ?

[DawladSade]

Abdiwahab-

It was not a relationship. It was purely an economic interest. Beesha Sade of Jubba had to do what they had to do and Cayr had to do what they had to do. We are surviving and they are, well, 6 feet under. Hopefully they can rise back up again.

[adanboy]

thanx Dawladsade.We need more people like you.this was good move..

To start with frankly I am quite fresh in somali politics ,but i have observed so much lately that I have got a picture of it..Personally i have family relation with the beesha Sade,dont know if that make me biased ,lol.But anyway as a cayr person I feel we have been pioners when it comes to building intraclan relationships for good or worse.If it was for the of intrest of the beesha or for somalis in general remains to be discussed..We have to work hard to avoid suspicious between us and build confidence..

[Ugaas Diini]

Dawladsade......be more specific ina adeer. When you say habargedirs, are you refering to the real habargedir(Ceyr and Saleebaan) or kuwa la hele? Just a joke. I could not resist.

[adanboy]

[quote="DawladSade"]Abdiwahab-

It was not a relationship. It was purely an economic interest. Beesha Sade of Jubba had to do what they had to do and Cayr had to do what they had to do. We are surviving and they are, well, 6 feet under. Hopefully they can rise back up again.[/quote]


sxb ,we are not crying today.We shall rise again together wit the rest of somalis. We are proud that could we took that choice,.the enemy saw how important we were to Somalia that we became a clear threat to their agenda.

[AbdiWahab252]

Will only deal with Wagardhac, the rest I have no blood ties with.

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Will only deal with Wagardhac, the rest I have no blood ties with.[/quote]

and Reer Dalal?

[Karbaash_killa]

AW.. becoming mareexanmized....LOL

But serious ..Wax dagaal ladhaho nama dhextaal in general ee maxaa dan noo wada ah iyo sidii loo hilikaraa personally i have a perposal..

Walaalyaal as you all know there have been a long awaited change coming for Gobolada dhexe and very few clans have had the intiative to think out side the box and form a fully transperant and co herent administation together with neighbouring clans in Gobolada dhexe..

As you all There have been movement in mudug and there Galmudug State has offered beesha sade in the galguduud region to join this New state infavour of their own intrest and degaans....GM recently sent a group of Mareexan delegates to dhulkoodii bal ineey dad soo famaham siiayan.. so bleez and bleez with minimum disrespect sidee baad u aragtaan maamulkaani iyo wax rajo aaad ka qabtiin ama wax talo aad siin laheedeen! TANAG you

[adanboy]

[quote="Karbaash_killa"]AW.. becoming mareexanmized....LOL

But serious ..Wax dagaal ladhaho nama dhextaal in general ee maxaa dan noo wada ah iyo sidii loo hilikaraa personally i have a perposal..

Walaalyaal as you all know there have been a long awaited change coming for Gobolada dhexe and very few clans have had the intiative to think out side the box and form a fully transperant and co herent administation together with neighbouring clans in Gobolada dhexe..

As you all There have been movement in mudug and there Galmudug State has offered beesha sade in the galguduud region to join this New state infavour of their own intrest and degaans....GM recently sent a group of Mareexan delegates to dhulkoodii bal ineey dad soo famaham siiayan.. so bleez and bleez with minimum disrespect sidee baad u aragtaan maamulkaani iyo wax rajo aaad ka qabtiin ama wax talo aad siin laheedeen! TANAG you[/quote]


Karbaash ,salan sare horta.the idea of establishing administration in Gobaldda dhexe is good,but I dont think Galmudug is right choice.We can come together and build something new and solid,based on national values and it must include all the qabiils that live there.Gobaladda dhexe is very important region for Somalia,.

[Karbaash_killa]

We have been offering this since 04 until we had to stop wating on Our brothers so we had only our self to count and now things are looking much better.

So instead of destroyinka something that already exist ..join it and makeit stronger... sida wax loo dudumiyo ma'ahan ee wax kale goormaan garaneynaa?

Mida kale Waxa aad ku diido GM state majirto... Wax kasta we kuu ogolshahay.. Sacad came with the proposal and Sheikhal ,dir, Abokar sleeban and Waceysle ayaa ukulul. The huinger is there.. we are wating to see who'll take the honer of beying the first idiot oof meesha la soo istaaga "if im not ruling it then im not init" which is what really destroyed somalia!

Adanboy i have alot of ceyr buddies and i know the reservation ceyr are keeping and its purely based on weather or not Xamar will be HG main point of intrest, or are we going to relocate our main intrest in Gobalada dhexe.. and ceyr is determined to be xamar based while sacad is ready to work hard in the gobolada dehexe and keep his intrest in the capital among the rest of somalis! The rest of HG are struggling to get their head around the fact that meel aan aheen Xamar ayaa wax laga qabsanaaya and i understand it might be difficult but caqlikaaga waxa uu ku siiyo ayaan arkeena.