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Let me start off by saying I'm not trying to incite anything just wondering, and I'd like to have a civilized discussion.

So here is wha I'm wondering, why is it that Mareehaan has been to create a real maamul, not even in Gedo?

I mean we can say the same thing for the whole south, but I'm wondering Mareehaan cause they are a single clan, and they are a majority in Gedo, forget the Jubbas for now.

All of western Gedo is completely Mareehaan, Garbahaareey, Buulo Xawo etc. while there are some Rahanweyn in Dir in Baardheere and Luuq they mostly don't hold political influence.

So the place is pretty much Mareehaan run. So what has hindered the building of a proper maamul in Gedo?

Division.

Ever since Al Itixaad vs. SNF/Ethiopia which begun in 1994-1996.

Same can be said for a lot of places. Its hard to build maamuls anywhere South of Galgudud. The chaotic nature of Your neighbors will eventually catch up. Bay/Bakool is mostly Raxanwein, Why couldn't they create a maamul? Hiiraan is mostly Xawaadle Why couldn't they create a maamul? USC invaded Gedo, and Gedo was one of the major fronts in the early '90s civil war, then after that You Had the Itixaad Vs SNF, then local Marexaans fighting Ethiopia, then Marexaans supported by Ethiopia coming in and starting a devasting war. Even as We speak, We have Shabab controlling Gedo and Ahlu Sunnah/Barre Hiiraale right across the border about to attack any minute. All that being said, there Has been a lot of resiliancy, on the part of Reer Gedo

Murax,

I was thinking the same thing, but Rahanweyn is over 20 different subclans, not one like Mareehaan, and Hiiraan has, Gaaljeecel, Ceyr, Udijeen, Baadicade, Murusade etc. who all have their own militias. But Mareehaan is till one.

So is Gedo still feeling the devestating effects of the Itixaad wars in the mid 90's, thats what I'm getting at

Shirib wrote:Murax,

I was thinking the same thing, but Rahanweyn is over 20 different subclans, not one like Mareehaan, and Hiiraan has, Gaaljeecel, Ceyr, Udijeen, Baadicade, Murusade etc. who all have their own militias. But Mareehaan is till one.

So is Gedo still feeling the devestating effects of the Itixaad wars in the mid 90's, thats what I'm getting at

Actually Marexaan is about 32 to 33 subclans, and they're all weighted pretty evenly. Also, really it Has nothing to do with qabil. Meel aan dawlad la'aan ka jirin waa meel aan dawlad la'aan ka jirin. Puntland Has the Ocean to the East, Somaliland a place with a maamul to the left, and the closest place to the South, they have problems there. Somaliland borders Puntland, Ethiopia and Djibouti. Gedo on the other hand borders Bay, Bakool, Jubbada Dhexe three foodo regions with isbaaro etc. so How is Gedo gonna be stable, and same with those other regions they border other unstable regions so its a big dominoe effect.

Yea but Mareehaan is still one clan. Clan structure wise Mareehaan would be like saying Leysaan or Eelaay but thats a different story forget about it.

Not just in Gedo but in the south as a whole, do you see maamul goboleed as a way forward, and how would these be set up?

there is no political differences, we are Geeljire and we enjoy our own way of life, our people are not coastal slave commodities or fishers or farmers or Hawiyos, Marexans are untameable lions that wander the Horn of Africa.

our intellectuals try this many times but it cant be done

snoop12 wrote:there is no political differences, we are Geeljire and we enjoy our own way of life, our people are not coastal slave commodities or fishers or farmers or Hawiyos, Marexans are untameable lions that wander the Horn of Africa.

our intellectuals try this many times but it cant be done

huh?

Voltage wrote:Division.

Ever since Al Itixaad vs. SNF/Ethiopia which begun in 1994-1996.

how can this division be eliminated?

Abdisamad,

Actually Gedo did have a maamul Pre Shabab, but shabab removed them. There was a Gudoomiye Gobol, Ku Xigeen, mayors for each town, everything. The only problem is like Shareef's TFG they were very young, and also weak and incompetent so they couldn't do much to tackle the security problems. The problem is the Shabab form of maamul brings great short term benefits but is devastating long term. The other TFG/Qabil type maamuls are very corrupt. What not only Gedo but Somalia needs is something in the middle.

Murax wrote:Abdisamad,

Actually Gedo did have a maamul Pre Shabab, but shabab removed them. There was a Gudoomiye Gobol, Ku Xigeen, mayors for each town, everything. The only problem is like Shareef's TFG they were very young, and also weak and incompetent so they couldn't do much to tackle the security problems. The problem is the Shabab form of maamul brings great short term benefits but is devastating long term. The other TFG/Qabil type maamuls are very corrupt. What not only Gedo but Somalia needs is something in the middle.

I agree but I fail to see a middle ground, it seems to be that both sides are in the opposite extreme. Where is the middle ground and how do we get there? Any ideas?

Anigu waxay iila egtahay inaa jah wareer sannahay waayo, kuwa Itixaad hoosta kuwata waa annaga, kuwa Shabaab hoosta ku wata waa annaga etc. Marka waa in hal waji la yeeshaa haddii kale sidan ayaa loo kala qaybsanaan.

Shirib wrote:

Murax wrote:Abdisamad,

Actually Gedo did have a maamul Pre Shabab, but shabab removed them. There was a Gudoomiye Gobol, Ku Xigeen, mayors for each town, everything. The only problem is like Shareef's TFG they were very young, and also weak and incompetent so they couldn't do much to tackle the security problems. The problem is the Shabab form of maamul brings great short term benefits but is devastating long term. The other TFG/Qabil type maamuls are very corrupt. What not only Gedo but Somalia needs is something in the middle.

I agree but I fail to see a middle ground, it seems to be that both sides are in the opposite extreme. Where is the middle ground and how do we get there? Any ideas?

To be honest with You, I think Somalia still Has enough intellectuals abroad, that can come back and form the backbone of a Gov. The only problem is the warlords were in Somalia by force and their parliment seats was guaranteed by the gun. Shabab came and replaced them with the gun which really was a good thing that they removed them, but there another form of armed faction. Look at this TFG with 500 mps, what the heck is that. Theres 'wadaado' in it, warlords, qabe qabils, professors, etc. No identity. I think Shabab can be that middle ground, if they were smarter and more political, but they just don't have the brains and are attracting the whole world's attention. Somalia is either headed to being a UN Protectorate, continue to be a no man's land. A bleak future.

It's all has to do with Gedo people flocking to Kismayo and having a dream of ruling from Kismayo to Gedo, but the reality is, Marehan committed series of mistakes that contributed in them not managing to get that landscape on lock. Once A/Y and the Ethiopians kicked the ICU thugs from Kismayo, A/Y suggested to Marehans in Kismayo to split power. There was two Guuto, one led by Kablalax and another one led by Sade. From there, Marehans should have consolidated their power and announced a strong Jubblaland that involves everybody. But Our Sade cousins though Otherwise. First they kicked the unsuspecting Kablalax guuto. Not only that, they did an ethnic cleansing, targeting Kablalax individuals, Isbaaro blocks etc. After a while, the Kismayo Youths couldn't take any more and they did chase Hiiraale, who was behind this mess. Unfortunately, the kids didn't stop there. They also captured Gedo. The result Marehans, not controlling a single land.

Wax Badso wax beel baa laga helaa guys

Captain24 wrote:It's all has to do with Gedo people flocking to Kismayo and having a dream of ruling from Kismayo to Gedo, but the reality is, Marehan committed series of mistakes that contributed in them not managing to get that landscape on lock. Once A/Y and the Ethiopians kicked the ICU thugs from Kismayo, A/Y suggested to Marehans in Kismayo to split power. There was two Guuto, one led by Kablalax and another one led by Sade. From there, Marehans should have consolidated their power and announced a strong Jubblaland that involves everybody. But Our Sade cousins though Otherwise. First they kicked the unsuspecting Kablalax guuto. Not only that, they did an ethnic cleansing, targeting Kablalax individuals, Isbaaro blocks etc. After a while, the Kismayo Youths couldn't take any more and they did chase Hiiraale, who was behind this mess. Unfortunately, the kids didn't stop there. They also captured Gedo. The result Marehans, not controlling a single land.

Wax Badso wax beel baa laga helaa guys

For one, the Marexaans that populated Kista were 95% Reer Mudug. Reer Gedo, stayed home, but graze in L Jubba sometimes. Barre Hiiraale advanced from Caabudwaaq not from Gedo, as Gedo were involved in SNF Vs Itixaad, coming of the heels of USC Vs SNF. As for the '07-'08 Kista maamul they did make a lot of serious mistakes, but Lower Jubba isn't Bari. You're talking about the best aggricultural lands, in addition to a deep sea water port, in addition to a airport. Making a maamul there isn't as easy as it is for Bari. Anybody who can come there and build a real maamul ama Marexaan ha ahaado ama Absame ama Majeteen ama Xawaadle whatever, I'd give them their props. Personally I blame Morgan, originally. All He Had to do was give Marexaan their due, and He could have built something. Problem is He started taking orders from AY, who told Him Marexaan ka sifey magaalada. In addition to that He even started harassing Absame, throwing them out of the city to. Markaas sheekada wuxuu keenay "Kismaayo waxaa leh Maxmuud Salebaan"