did Amir nuur create identity called Harrari People?

[St8OuttaDirree]

I guess what some peoples saying are all credit is due to Arabs and Kushites are not creative nation, even when they built the greatest civilizations that world ever known like Sumeria whom their langeuge sounds like Oromo, Egypt was Somali origin, Kush was Beja, Axume and Saba were Saba-kushite nation.
when we deny our own achievement and history it is self defeating thinking. Arabs never had dominated horn of Africa, the people who lived in Harar and Zayla were more educated about Islam then Arabs.
Orgoba was more wild than Maya, Xarla and Somal

When kid beats up another kid Somali mother would say " boy! you are as mindless killer as Orgoba" when i was young i dearly believed Orgobo was cannibal nation but later on i found out poor Orgobos were eaten alive by Oromo an Amhara and they were victims not cannibals that gave me a lot of sleepless nights.

Argobbas are a nice quite group of people, many have taken up Ittu, Qallu, Noole and Jarso clan names, but still identify themselves as Argobba.
To me hands down, their women are a lot more beautiful then the Adare ladies. A very religious group, with no voice, inshallah they will gain their identity back.

[bareento]

In my opinion the single most important event in that region was the establishement of Oda Bultum in early 16th century, probably around 1520,
right before the Imam's wars.Some say it was the whole Bareeytuma Gada but for sure militarly it was Humbanna-Itu Gadaa only; This institution send to oblivion all muslim sultanates of present day Hararge, Baalee, east Showa and beyond;

This might indicate that the population of the area was not homogenous religion wise;
and that the muslim sultanates were pockets in the sea of indigenous populations relying mainly mercenaries from desert dwellers!

Right from the beginning there was three forces in presence:
i)The muslim sultanates with Turkish help in which some Somali soldiery were drafted under harari/adal command ( Hirabu bin Goyta and co)
ii)The abyssinians later helped by the portuguese
iii)and the burgeoning Oda Bultum, indigenous force with indigenous religion

In fact the Gadaa wars started before the Abyssinia-Adal war in Baalee, around 1520...
Truly the Imam's wars were only one episode in extended struggle between the indigenous and the foreigners on one hand and the foreigners themselves on the other.In my opinion the Gadaa wars were indigenous people's answer to the slave trade conducted by the Muslims and christians alike.

Somalis tend to exagerate their role in the Adal empire; in my opinion they were only mercenaries in Adal sultanates and probably some of adal dignitaries might have somali ancestory thats all! The same way in late 18the century most of abyssinian army was made of Oromo mercenaries and even some abyssinan emperors were of oromo descent. That doesnt mean Abyssinia was an Oromo kingdom

And I laugh when Somali speak of Harer as a somali city; I havent seen any somali in that city

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[abdirisak22]

Oromo: does anyone know when the name Oromo was first mentioned in the history?

[bareento]

In later times most probaby Oromo=waaqist incorporated in Gada institution

Abbaa Bahrey, mentions oromo with all major clans and subclans in his famous book; (early 16th century).
some of these clans have disappeared or became somali like Akichu

B.

[OliveOil]

Why do f-king Ethiopians act like they are closer to each other ethnically and defend each other...when a Somali is in the picture? We are all parallel (siman )

[bareento]

Oliveoil, wat are you talking about?
we are discussing history...probably not your forte

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[St8OuttaDirree]

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[St8OuttaDirree]

Somalis tend to exagerate their role in the Adal empire; in my opinion they were only mercenaries in Adal sultanates and probably some of adal dignitaries might have somali ancestory thats all! The same way in late 18the century most of abyssinian army was made of Oromo mercenaries and even some abyssinan emperors were of oromo descent. That doesnt mean Abyssinia was an Oromo kingdom

B.

Agree 100%

[Gara Man]

I guess what some peoples saying are all credit is due to Arabs and Kushites are not creative nation, even when they built the greatest civilizations that world ever known like Sumeria whom their langeuge sounds like Oromo, Egypt was Somali origin, Kush was Beja, Axume and Saba were Saba-kushite nation.
when we deny our own achievement and history it is self defeating thinking. Arabs never had dominated horn of Africa, the people who lived in Harar and Zayla were more educated about Islam then Arabs.
Orgoba was more wild than Maya, Xarla and Somal

When kid beats up another kid Somali mother would say " boy! you are as mindless killer as Orgoba" when i was young i dearly believed Orgobo was cannibal nation but later on i found out the poor Orgobos were eaten alive by Oromo an Amhara and they were victims not cannibals that gave me a lot of sleepless nights.

Your tale of argoba is classic! I must admit am entertained, i think iv heard of something like this but am not sure. Ultimately, I believe though we are referring to two different peoples. But be careful next time!
Our achievements as a people, that is you as a somali, me as a oromo is very small. I dont know really what we have achieved.

Arabs in horn have a very long history. Yes, true they never really dominated it( due to bloodthirsty cushites) but that doesnt mean that they never had any isolated pockets between different wandering tribes. They(the arabs) existed and my opinion for main purpose of missionary activities and latter became one with the people they surrounded. You mentioned Zeyla correct? I remember hearing a tale of a group of an ancient arab population that existed there and a land somewhere in the northern part of the somali region in Ethiopia(past jijiga somewhere).

Anyways we should not take credit that doesn't belong to us.

[Gara Man]

Oromo: does anyone know when the name Oromo was first mentioned in the history?

It doesnt really matter when Oromo or more correctly Orma was first mentioned in history as a group fact remains certain oromo tribes today were mentioned long before somal or any somali was ever mentioned. For instance the Arsi.

Arsi were most likely the first current Oromos to ever be documented anywhere and that occurred during the axumite era where they were having fits with the ancestors of the Abyssinians. The location that was mentioned was the same location were they exist today. This can possibly be to why Arsi often being considered the mother stock of Oromos and where the culture originates. However considering the strong likelyhood of Arsi as well as Bale being where all Oromos grafted from doesn't necessarily mean the name Oromo or Orma did as well. Ill stop at that and leave this up for discussion.

[St8OuttaDirree]

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[Gara Man]

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[Dudaaye]

In later times most probaby Oromo=waaqist incorporated in Gada institution

Abbaa Bahrey, mentions oromo with all major clans and subclans in his famous book; (early 16th century).
some of these clans have disappeared or became somali like Akichu

B.

the somali Gabbra, Sakuye and gabra miigo adopted boran culture during the Borana expansion The Borana expansion, which is said to have happened around 1660-1720

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The 16th century Oromo expansion brought great disruption to these Somaloid peoples causing migrations south and westward from their southern Ethiopia and Somalia homes. These peoples were further separated when some groups of them developed ritual kinship arrangements with Oromo (Borana) peoples for protection. The Rendille were the southernmost of these Somaloid peoples and maintained their own culture and language more intact.


http://orvillejenkins.com/profiles/rendille.html

http://www.kenyacommunities.org/article ... %20Six.pdf

[Talo alle udaa]

It's strange how our fellow Oromo brothers come back to life, almost in unison, as soon as something pertaining to Harar or Axmed Gurey is mentioned.


The past is behind us. We can only learn from it and help rectify previous mistakes. I believe the Somali people will one day liberate Harar from Ethiopia, and the Oromo and other muslims will partake in that liberation.

[St8OuttaDirree]

The past is behind us. We can only learn from it and help rectify previous mistakes. I believe the Somali people will one day liberate Harar from Ethiopia, and the Oromo and other muslims will partake in that liberation.

Drive threw the Hararghe region, no sight of Somalis my friend. They only live around Dire Dhawa.
Like you said, the past is behind us, forget Harar you don't own it. Focus on Bringing Somalia back to its old position on the continent.
Why care for Harar anyway, the town and land in the surrounding is really crowded. If the Somalis moved in, Oromos will attack for one reason, not enough land.