Ogadeni media speak positive about the Dollow shir

[Voltage]

Serious stuff has been going on in Dollow. The most important traditional leaders of the Jubbaland regions are there as well as representatives and civil society of the clans. The Ogadeni media is now also embracing the meeting which is strongly rumoured to be the first true domestic/internal attempt to build a Jubbaland state comprising Gedo, Lower Jubba, Middle Jubba

Shir ka dhacay Dooloow
Published: September 20, 2011

Kn:Kulan laba geesood ah oo socday sadex maalmood ayaa ku soo gabogaboobay magaalada Doolow ee gobolka Gedo.

Kulankan oo lagu tilmaamay kii ugu horeeyay oo noociisa oo kale ah oo ka dhaca gobolka Gedo ayaa qabanqaabiyeyaasha iyo isku dubaridayaasha kulankani ay uga gol-lahaayeen inay is afgarad iyo midnimo taam ah dhexdhigaan beelaha Jubbooyinka iyo Gedo.

Waxaa shir gudoonka lahaa Gudoomiyaha degmada Doolloow, waxaana goobjoog ahaa odayaal dhaqameed badan oo ka kala yimid sadexda gobolka ee Jubbooyinka iyo Gedo. Sidoo kale waxaa madasha joogay gudiga nabadaynta Beelaha Jubbooyinka iyo Gedo kuwaasi oo sharaxaad dheer ka bixiyay wanaaga wadanoolaanshaha iyo isu tanaasulku leeyahay.

Waxaa ayana shirka goobjoog ahaa saraakiil, siyaasiyiin iyo mutacalimiin ka soo jeeda sadexda Gobol, gorfayn iyo isla jeexjeexid dheer kadibna waxaa la isla qaatay lama huraannimada walaaltinimada iyo nabad ku wada noolaanshaha iyo waliba sidii wadajir loogu baadi goobi lahaa maslaxa caam ah oo ka dhexdhalada bulshada ku dhaqan guud ahaan Soomaaliya gaar ahaanna sadexda Gobol.

Waxay u muuqatay in dadkii kulanka isugu yimid ay garwaaqsadeen dibudhaca balaaran ee Jubbooyinka iyo Gedo ku yimid tan iyo burburkii dawladdii dhexe ee dalka iyo waliba badnida kheyraadka Alle sameega ah ee ceegaaga, ee wax ka faa’iidaystay uu san jirin sababo la xiriira isu quurid waa, kala xigsasho, colaytan iyo cadaawad abuurid bulshada dhexdeeda ah.

Warbixin kooban iyo sawirada shirkaba gadaal ayaan ka soo tabin doonaa hadii Allaha
awoodalihi noo saamaxo.

KismaayoNews.com

http://kismaayonews.com/2011/09/20/shir ... y-dooloow/

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Gen Cali Madoobe, the TFG Chief of Police for Abdullahi Yusuf and Sheikh Sharif, in Dollow right now says "Sade and Kuumade" have been reconciled and the preparations for the talks to build Jubbaland state is to start

Voice interview

http://saadaal.com/index.php?option=com ... Itemid=277

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Waxay u muuqatay in dadkii kulanka isugu yimid ay garwaaqsadeen dibudhaca balaaran ee Jubbooyinka iyo Gedo ku yimid tan iyo burburkii dawladdii dhexe ee dalka iyo waliba badnida kheyraadka Alle sameega ah ee ceegaaga, ee wax ka faa’iidaystay uu san jirin sababo la xiriira isu quurid waa, kala xigsasho, colaytan iyo cadaawad abuurid bulshada dhexdeeda ah.

[Murax]

Who's funding this, Ethiopia?


So its gonna be a proxy conflict between Ethiopia-Kenya and none will win. I will not take any group serious until they capture the lands they claim they are going to rule.

[Voltage]

Everyone is an Ethiopian proxy or works with them. Somaliland is, Puntland is, Ahlu Sunnah is. Let us be real, are we always going to be in war? Until the whole nation is reconfigured and Mogadishu is an entity that presents a Strong unified Somali people, no reason for us not work with Ethiopia if our interests collide and our interests collide now both against Al Shabaab and "Azania".

Dollow camp already controls extensive land (most of Gedo) and forays into other territory will be helped by strong inter-tribal cooperation. This meeting comes at a crucial time.

[The_Patriot]

Voltage

Kismaayonews is pro Blackie.

I dont think any positive thing will come from the shir because it has a strong sense of an Ethiopian initiative rather than a genuine Marexan initiative.

If any Ogaden group will join in they will mostly be Alitixad/ Alcitisam Ogadenis i.e camp Madoobe.

So far this group are well known for assasinations in the region.

[Murax]

^^


I always laugh at the Ogadeen brigade when they go on and on about "Ethiopian inititive" as of Kenyan inititives are any better

[The_Patriot]

Everyone is an Ethiopian proxy or works with them. Somaliland is, Puntland is, Ahlu Sunnah is. Let us be real, are we always going to be in war? Until the whole nation is reconfigured and Mogadishu is an entity that presents a Strong unified Somali people, no reason for us not work with Ethiopia if our interests collide and our interests collide now both against Al Shabaab and "Azania".Dollow camp already controls extensive land (most of Gedo) and forays into other territory will be helped by strong inter-tribal cooperation. This meeting comes at a crucial time.

SL, PL can work for Ethiopia and serve Ethiopian interest simply because they have no substantial Ogadeni citizens living among them they can harass at will. But when you say there is no reason for Marexan not to work for the interest of Ethiopia that means willing to terrorise ogadenis in a bid to get recognition and get military asssistance to dorminate their land. However this time its not that easy as it will spark something that never occurs in SL and PL.

Its a habit for Somalis to equate ONLF with Ogaden and thus thinking that you can kill Ogadenis and use a scapegoat as fighting ONLF . BAre Hiraale when he was kicked out of Kismayu Said he was kicked by a coalition consisting of ONLF.

As for Azania the reason why Marexan oppose to it is simply because of Gandhi. If he was MJ or Marexan I guess alot of Marexan would have joined in to support it.

I will be honest with you I dont think any sane Absame will join camp Dollow.

[The_Patriot]

^^


I always laugh at the Ogadeen brigade when they go on and on about "Ethiopian inititive" as of Kenyan inititives are any better

Marax ( aka cali xussein Brigade) I guess too much casir and dajaja has ruined your reasoning.

Ethiopian initiative is not merely like the Cayr initiative that enabled you guys to run Kista for 9 yrs its much more greater, which will involve seeing your loved leaders demoted /humiliated and choosen from Addis.

As for the Kenyan initiative its more like a buffer . The only reason why folks went to Kenya is when they learnt that you guys were busy appealing to Meles(claimming that you will wipe out ONLF from the region) when Hiraale was over run.

Thus if You guys hadnt gone to Ethiopia, I dont think folks would have gone to Kenya.

[CoolPoisons]

Who's funding this, Ethiopia?


So its gonna be a proxy conflict between Ethiopia-Kenya and none will win. I will not take any group serious until they capture the lands they claim they are going to rule.

fikirkeyga wuxu la wadaaga kii Murax

cid aan meesha maamulin U cant take them serious

ciidanka Dolow wey ine ila Kismayo gaaran

[The_Patriot]

This will be a dangerous war.

Because the dorminant group is deeply entrenched in the most of the important towns and cities.

Dalinyarta has restructered themselves and having withdrawn from Xamar means one thing only.

The fall of Bardheere reveal how powerful camp Dollow is.

Till then it will be unwise to count the chicks before they hatch.

[Voltage]

Patriot, "Azania" was opposed because it was Kenyan hotel lunch with no true representation from the land, with no participation from credible stake holders (in fact tried to sideline them) and all this while you had not an inch of the land to claim legitimacy. I can understand if Gandi doesn't like Dollow camp or say Dollow camp was doing a meeting and Madoobe who controlled large parts of Lower Jubba and they didn't like him; you still try to engage those credible stakeholders rather than trying to sideline them otherwise you just continue to rivalry in this present time of armed civil war. Azania was always a non-starter and then Wikileaks exposed how Gandi was really thinking.

But I see you are not a supporter of the Dollow meeting. Madoobe is the only Ogaden entity that actually controls land and he is supportive of a meeting with the only other group who also control land apart from Al Shabaab, so doesn't that at least give this meeting some legitimacy...if the two armed groups fighting Al Shabaab and the only ones from both clans who control land contributing to a single meeting?

No offense but you just seem like you want Gandi and nothing but Gandi and everything else is a nonstarter. I am not judging you for that position but let us just be clear about it.

[The_Patriot]

Azania was opposed cos of alot of factors not the hotel issue. Because even the TFG itself was created in Eldoret and Nakuru Hotels before they moved to

Ghandi created a model that did not satisfy the Absame in the region. So alot left cos of resentments.But still his group was able to capture and retain Dhobley.

Absames stopped supported Madoobe the moment his intentions were exposed. He is a xabashi lackyluck.

His mission is more than just capturing the regions.

People in the region are not also happy with the way Ghandi elected Cabaas to the Dhobleey camp.

Because Cabaas is a war criminal.

Hence choosing the lesser evil folks would choose Hiraale over Cabaas.

But this is not to say that folks will be more than welcome to inagurate and welcome someone that has taken a solemn oath with Zenawi that he will work in the interest of Addis.

[Murax]

Patriot,


I don't know why You had to get defensive, because I know our Absame patrons always get up in arms whenever I bring up that point. Kenya if they were to push this Azania thing through they'd want their cut and nothing short of that. Ethiopia on the other hand wants the same. Btw no offense bro, but Your thought that Zenawi would want to put MR in charge of Jubooyinka to terrorize Ogadeen for ONLF is absolutely ludicrious. I have a good part of my fam who are Reer Shilaabo and it is a well known fact that Zenawi has no shortage of OG u shaqeeyo it wouldn't suprise Me if it was even like 70%.



My point is none of these groups in my mind have legitimacy until they can capture the land they claim to own, and not only that but restore order. That being said if this Doolow group which receives arms from Ethiopia (Like every entity in Somalia) beats You to it and captures the land, do not cry cuz they beat You at Your own game (Using Kenya).

[The_Patriot]

Its nothing being defensive Voltage posted something an I remarked.
then all over sudden you start your character assassination on me.

You need to stick to the topic not trying to create a karbash moments with me.

What I said just reflects the issues in the region.

If you re-read my posts.


Another thing is even if the Dollow group capture Bardheere they would need the Dhobleey group to push further.

Because for the Dhollow group to go deep south they need to capture/pacify Baidoa too before heading for Kista.

Since the Dalinyarta are still in the game and more concentrated in the region it wouldnt be a picnic for any group be it Dollow or Dhobley.