Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

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[Baad]

Interesting and very informative. Thank you for the great insight Jaalle Liibax san ka tabte.


Many small minded individuals can not phantom our rich history , and they do not understand that Sade is responsible of Somalia’s large territory, most of these anti Somali sentiments have never stepped outside of their safe houses in their region

Whilst our grandfathers trekked hundreds of miles into what was then known as gaal madow lands, we expelled them of their land and and today it’s known as Somalia.

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Does anyone know if the KARs in Somalia were mostly/all Somali or if the British colonialists brought Indian and African askaris to the country.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Does anyone know if the KARs in Somalia were mostly/all Somali or if the British colonialists brought Indian and African askaris to the country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_African_Rifles

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Interesting and very informative. Thank you for the great insight Jaalle Liibax san ka tabte.


Many small minded individuals can not phantom our rich history , and they do not understand that Sade is responsible of Somalia’s large territory, most of these anti Somali sentiments have never stepped outside of their safe houses in their region

Whilst our grandfathers trekked hundreds of miles into what was then known as gaal madow lands, we expelled them of their land and and today it’s known as Somalia.

Beesha Barakaysan never took shisheeye serious. We don't have treaties nor been titled "friendly" tribes by Gaalo. It's a honor

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Saddam discovered the official record of KAR huh?

There are two chapters devoted to Somalis; The Mad Mullah and the chapter titled The Marehan Offensive.

I have no idea why the old government did not nationally teach the Marehan Offensive but maybe it has to do with the Mad Mullah being important to bring Somaliland to heel.

The Marehan Offensive was just as important according to the British themselves. This should be taught in schools

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Does anyone know if the KARs in Somalia were mostly/all Somali or if the British colonialists brought Indian and African askaris to the country.

No. They had KAR regiments from Uganda and as far as Nyasaland (Malawi) fighting with the British against Marehan.

This is from the book Saddam posted about the KAR history. It is in the chapter The Marehan Offensive

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I can honestly say the most reviled group on Somalinet in terms of propaganda and whoopla has to be the Ilka-yars. What are they trying to prove? We know for fact that a sub clan of Cawlyahan bordered and had skirmishes with Marehan. In addition, Marehans often supported the British even during the uprising of the Cawlyahan led by C/raxmaan Mursal. Ask yourself why this man was not told in Somali history literature. Here is what George L. Simpson wrote about these Marehan:
"Number 2 column proceeded down the Juba River as far as Malkaadi, halting on the 22nd to await the arrival of the inland party. Later news reached the camp that No 1 column had captured a large quantity of enemy camels, but was being attacked by Auhilan in force. The Marehan Levies had bolted, but the KAR troops were holding firm. Immediately, Captain Martin despatched 30 Somali Riflemen under Colour Sergeant Mohamed Amiashi and a further 150 Marehan Levies to Hafalani, six hours march away. The inland column (Colour Sergeant Fareh Rageh) having driven off the tribesmen succeeded in reaching Hafalani the following morning. Shortly afterwards some 2000 camels were captured as they came to water. Colour Sergeant Farah Rageh decided to drive them on to Serenli, but was waylaid by a strong force (estimated at several hundred) of Aulihan. A running fight lasting several hours ensued. Once again the Marehan Levies proved to be absolutely useless and bolted. Heavily outnumbered (Colour Sergeant Mohamed Ainashi’s force had not yet caught up), the small KAR force adopted the tactic of laying prone on the sand & volley firing as the tribesmen approached. Over fifty of the Aulihan were killed and many wounded. Again marehan the levies did not perform at all well, and almost without exception ran away. They lost 17 killed and many wounded. In many cases they had been stabbed in the back as they fled. It was of course quite impossible to keep hold of 2000 camels in those circumstances and only 160 actually reached Serenli. No 1 column after handing over the camels re-joined No2 column at Malkaadi”
Check this Map from the article:

Here is the full article. I must have posted this many times, but you can’t debate and rationalize with kids who were spoon-fed by the Kacaanka. You can access this full article if you care connected to a educational institution network:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/41931227.pdf

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The Marehan were undoubtedly the strongest Somali clan in
the region of the Juba/Daua confluence. In fact they were the
only people who successfully defied the threat of Ethiopian
hostility. About March 1905 some 600 Ethiopians under Wolde,
and accompanied by Geydu, visited El Wak and Muddo Arele. Geydu
had been brought to point out the limits of his country and when,
on the edge of Garre territory, the Ethiopians threatened the
Marehan, the latter sent back a bow and poisoned arrow. This
was a challenge to fight and the Amhara wisely chose to ignore it.
But not having suffered from Ethiopian aggression, the Marehan
saw no reason to welcome the advent of Zaphiro's inspectorate
on the frontier, while their dominant position on the upper Juba
went hand in hand with a refusal to acknowledge any superior
authority.
Thus the Marehan were the only people along the border over
whom Zaphiro did not gain some control. Consequently his attitude
towards them was unfavorable:
They are all fanatics; they never paid tribute either to
the Abyssinians or to the British Government ... from
these tribes we shall have some trouble for the first
few years until the British Government has made some
4
Salkeld to Dep. Comm. Mombasa, 15 July 1905, CO.533/3*
453
arrangements for checking them*
And the necessity to check them became particularly apparent
as inter-tribal raiding increased.
In the first place, the growing lawlessness on the frontier
was largely attributed to the Marehan. A cycle of retaliatory
raiding was set in motion and as a result skirmishes became
endemic. The Garre, the Aulihan and the Marehan were all involved
2
in raids. Relations between the Marehan and those Somali clans
that were trying to force their way into the British Protectorate
was also at times particularly bitter. Thus there were violent
clashes between the Marehan and the Digodia in the north and between the Marehan and the Rer Afgab Aulihan to the east. Although
the latter had allied themselves with the Angara in their attack
on Lugh in January 1908, they soon afterwards fell out with the
Ethiopians and throughout the remainder of 1908 crossed into the
4
E.A.P. in large numbers.
Of course, it would be an oversimplification to imply that
the Marehan initiated all the raiding that occurred. In resisting
the Digodia and the Rer Afgab, they were doing no more than defend

1C. toG., 20 May 1907, PO. 37l/l92.
7T.S.Thomas (l917)» 92; Hope to Chief Sec., 12 June 1910,
PC/M’D/4/1/3.
3Z. to G., 10 Dec. 1906, CO.533/28.
^Salkeld to Sadler, 9 Jan. 1908, CO.533/41; H.A.Ward, to Hopwood,
13 Nov. 1908, CO.533/56.
454


their rights over a certain area. Their relationship with
their traditional neighbors, the Garre to the west and the
Aulihan to the south, was also far from being one-sided. "When
in 1909 the Marehan twice raided the latter, the first time
killing Hassan Warfa, an Aulihan chief, Hope and Salkeld were
of the opinion that this unrest was to be partly attributed to
the Aulihan themselves and, in particular, to Abdurahman Mursaal
who had been extremely keen to raid the Marehan. The latter knowing
this had struck before the Aulihan - who by themselves were weak -
had managed to form an alliance with the Rer Afgab. Thus towards
the end of 1908, Gwyan had failed to establish more than a temporary
2
cessation of raiding between the Rer Afgab, the Garre and the Marehan.
With the aid of Sheik Abdul Bari Sherif, Gwynn had managed to see all
the Marehan chiefs together at a baraza where he had told them
that the Government would sonn come and that in the mean-time they
should settle their disputes before Zaphiro. He had hoped that the
imminence of outside control would have acted as a stabiliser,
but it had not been long before raiding recommenced. Moreover,
when a station ms opened at Serenli in June 1910, the agreement
that was patched up between the Rer Hassan section of the Marehan
and the Aulihan to the south of the Juba proved to be equally transient.



Yet the factor that made it so necessary to control the
Marehan was not just that they were engaged in raiding, but that
many were armed with guns. What had made the Ethiopians hesitant
of attacking them, and what made them such formidable opponents,
was the relatively large number of rifles in their possession.
In this respect they differed from all the surrounding tribes.
At the end of 1908 the Marehan elders themselves admitted to possessing
500 to 600 guns. Just over a year later, it was being suggested

1G. to C., 7 June 19X0, CO.533/74.
2
idem, footnote 2.
3G. to C., 28 Deo. 1908, CO.533/54.
458

that at a low estimate the Marehan must have possessed at least
1,000 guns. Most of the later figures were merely guesses and
when in the middle of 1910 Hope suggested 800 guns, his low figure
reflected an optimism that was later proved to be false.'"
What had become obvious to Gwynn as early as 1908 was that
a greater danger lay in the increasing number of guns in the hands
of the Marehan than in the threat of Ethiopian border raids.^
Moreover, in the short run the Marehan were also a potential threat
to the post at Dolo. Gwynn had considered that the Boma grading
Company fort at Dolo was insecure but dared not recommend its
withdrawal because of the adverse psychological effect this would
have on the Somali,^
The Marehan obtained their guns from two sources. One was
by trade, the other from the migration southwards of fully armed
Marehan clans. Since the Marehan were rich in cattle, they were
certainly able to engage actively in the arms trade, and Zaphiro
had already concluded that there was a considerable traffic in
arms across the river Juba. Yet it may be doubted whether this
trade was itself a major factor before 1911 in the arming of the
Marehan, Most of the guns traded across the Juba came originally
from Jibuti via Ethiopia. They were French and their price
increased progressively the further west they were sold.

It would seem more
probable that before 1911 this trade was very limited. This can
be inferred from the very few guns in the hands of Somali clans
apart from the Marehan. Then, even amongst the Marehan, the Rer
Hassan did not possess large numbers of guns. In fact, it was
generally agreed by all observers that most of the guns were in the
hands of the galti Marehan who had brought these with them from
further north.

Another dimension to the problem was added by the fact that
almost all the galti Marehan had previously fought in Northern
Somaliland under Sheik Muhammad Abdille Hassan. Nor could it be
assumed that because they had left Sheik Muhammad, they were now
opposed to his aims.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Th ... P0GgAACAAJ

This book is quite long but worth the read, if you have access to an accredited institution's online database I'd recommend giving it a read. Check the appendix for the chapter relevant to your inquiry

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This bores me considering how mang times Guhad was corrected.

Guhad, read the book KAR. It is the official chronicle of British exploits in Africa. There are two chapters on Somalis titled Mad Mullah and The Marehan Offensive.

What you are bringing is really not much. Everything Ogaden bring is basically George Simpson who wrote a journal article in 1999 siting for a month with Cagdheer in Garissa. Really dude?

We are talking maps drawn on the field by the commanders, real news paper documents, British parliament debates, and military photos. ALL TAKING PLACE AT THE SAME TIME MAREHAN AND BRITAIN WERE AT WAR.

Side note: Guhad google the word "contemporaneous" and report back why this is so important in a court of law.

Contemporaneous means things documented as events are happening, not a century later in 1999.

Cawlyahan and Abdirahmaan Mursal DID clash with the British but it did not last more than two weeks whereas Marehan took years.

ALSO, chain of events is important. It goes;

1. Marehan revolt
2. Marehan vs. British/African KAR troops/local British supporters like Cawlyahan
3. Marehan Offensive ends and with peace, Marehan being the most important tribe in Jubaland start are recognized by the British as the preeminent Somali tribe in Jubbaland
4. Jealous Cawlyahan led by jealous Mursal revolt and they are quashed in less than two weeks

Waxaas yaa ku faano

I will leave you with this CONTEMPORANEOUS sources:

1. Read the KAR book. You have CONTEMPORANEOUS pictures from Commanders like this pic of Ugandans breaking up Marehan rifles. Or other KAR riding camels in Geedweyne fighting Shire Jaamac and reer Ahmed. You have maps drawn on the field showing where every single Marehan juffo was like rer Ahmed Weyd, reer Hassan, and rer Farah Ugas (rer Dini). You have maps of where major clashes took place like Diirharo and Humbaale. Again, just read the book KAR dealing with British exploits in Africa and read the chapter Marehan Offensive.






2. Read CONTEMPORANEOUS developments like the British Parliament debating the Marehan Offensive (I checked the entire British parliament record and found no other mention of fighting Somalis except the Mad Mullah

I turn to the other point raised by the noble Lord, the expedition against the bastard tribe of Somalis called the Merehans.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hans ... tier-raids

You have there a large and powerful tribe of fanatics, a branch of the Somalis called the Merehans. I understand that they are moderately well armed, and that they are warlikeand live in a country which is sometimes well watered and sometimes waterless. I believe this tribe has been giving considerable trouble, and that orders have been given to disarm them. We have had trouble in the past on the Juba River in Jubaland on more than one occasion, and I cannot remember that our efforts on any particular occasion have met with very wonderful success. At the present moment I understand that practically every available man in Uganda and British East Africa 1184 has been sent up to the Merehan territory and that these two Protectorates are to all intents and purposes denuded of their troops. Thirdly, I would ask what instructions have been given to the military authorities in charge of this Merehan business? I believe that there was a collision between our troops and the Somalis there only a day or two ago. I saw an account yesterday in an evening paper and would ask the noble Lord about it.

Again that is a CONTEMPORANEOUS account from a debate in the British Parliament saying every available man in British central and southeeastern Africa was sent to fight Marehan.

3. Here is a CONTEMPORANEOUS British news paper account confirming what was said in the Parliamentary debate above and documenting every active British KAR regiment between Malawi and Kenya sent to fight Marehan



4. And finally even the same tired source from 1999 that you love says the inability to control Marehan is what motivated Britain to give Jubbaland to Italian Somaliland

More importantly, this inability to control the Marehan illustrated just how little control the colonial state exercised on the northeast frontier. This example of Somali resistance certainly would make the British think twice about imposing their dictates in the northeast for some years to come. Indeed, the presence of so-called recalcitrant Somalis there had much to do with the nature of the cession of Jubaland to Italy in 1925.

I am not even sure why I responded since you are tired and boring in your attempts to cry and whine about the Marehan Offensive, but maybe I just want you to have some shame for once.

Bitterness resulting from resentment is really ugly.

[Nomand]

Interesting stuff Saddam, will probably pick up the book

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So we have Marehan to thank for Jubbaland not being part of Kenya.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

So we have Marehan to thank for Jubbaland not being part of Kenya.

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The problem is that the twisted history of these kids can't be debated because one of their admins deletes our messages.
This place is becoming a propaganda tool for the Ilka-yar Boons.