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Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby nine » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:32 am

Good thread.

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Django » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:59 am

Keep up the lies and propaganda.

I have caught voltage red handed once editing historical records of JL claimming the raid of Markable was by Marexan when it was done by Cawliyahan.

When Ogaden were ruling from Bardheere all the way to Wajir Garissa ,Marsabit and Kismaayo where was marexan?

Marexan were fighting at the fringes of upper Jubba.

Maxamed Siad barre.created Gedo and changed tge boundaries of Middle jubba incoporating it into upper Jubba.
There was no marexan south of Burgaabo.


Celwaaq was a Garreh region.The depopulatuon of non Marexan ethnic groups in Gedo under MSB led to the migration of marexan from Ethiopia and Mudug.

Marexan were just like hyenas living on what is left in the barren lands of north Gedo.

Trying to edit Cabdiraxman mursal accomplishments will not work.

Marexan were found in british courrier coprs.Serving both Italians and British.The only problem was they were very indisciplined as soilders and nothing to do with them fighting the british.The British diescribed them as usesless askaris the moment Cabdiraxman mursal would raid the camps.

Adan low was an Italian soilder not like Barre hiraale who was a tribal warlord.

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby original dervish » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:43 am

I've often seen you make the claim that MSB aun favoured Marehan and created Gedo for them.

However, if you examine that claim objectively you will quickly come to the conclusion that the claim is absolutely false.

Gedo is without doubt one of the most underdeveloped regions of Somalia......not a single meter of road, no hospitals, schools, universities etc.

If there was a govt policy to settle Marehan......there is no proof.....not to say Marehan have not settled Gedo...but was it govt policy....the evidence suggests otherwise.

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Voltage » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:57 am

Guhad,

Ok bro, thank you for your enlightening contribution as always.

I just would be hesitant about bringing up Abdirahman Mursaal. He was paid British Colonial jaajuus/agent.

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby ReturnOfMariixmaan » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:31 pm

Guhad,

Ok bro, thank you for your enlightening contribution as always.

I just would be hesitant about bringing up Abdirahman Mursaal. He was paid British Colonial jaajuus/agent.

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I did inadvertently expose Ina Mursaal as an informant? Lmao on lighter note. You're my awoowe bro. Just found out my paternal grandfather's mother was Reer Siyaad and he's Reer Garbaharey asal ahayn. Wallahi I didn't do that on purpose

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Baad » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:10 am

The problem is that the twisted history of these kids can't be debated because one of their admins deletes our messages.
This place is becoming a propaganda tool for the Ilka-yar Boons.
Ogaden are a enemy race to be ethnically cleansed. You burned your wadani card with Kismayo and Jubbaland. I'm happy Somalia/Somalis see the Khiyaano qaran you animals are. Your uncle Qalbidhagax should've been pissed on and killed. For siding with Kenya. This is your uncle Adan Barre Duale openly telling us he's a two card carrying traitor. Thank you Cagdheers. We will never help you again or save you like 77. We will piss on you:



A laangaab Makahiil tryna debate with MX is ludicrous. If your were Maxamed Zubeer or Cawlyahan, we would've took you serious. You mfs are the rape babies and homesteaders of Jail Ogaden.

If I was Ogaden I would be ashamed of people like Aden Fualle and Qalbi Madoowe

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Voltage » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:29 pm

Guhad,

Ok bro, thank you for your enlightening contribution as always.

I just would be hesitant about bringing up Abdirahman Mursaal. He was paid British Colonial jaajuus/agent.

https://postimg.cc/0rLDZxcY

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I did inadvertently expose Ina Mursaal as an informant? Lmao on lighter note. You're my awoowe bro. Just found out my paternal grandfather's mother was Reer Siyaad and he's Reer Garbaharey asal ahayn. Wallahi I didn't do that on purpose

:lol: :lol:
Then I shall call you Awoowe from now on. I'm not surprised aince reer Hassan are our immediate neighbors to the North and still live in Garbahaaray district with us

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Django » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:02 pm

The same man you call a spy did more damage to british empire interest in Jubbaland than the entire marexan.
The Sack of Serenli
On 2 February 1916, the disaster that British officials had feared would one day happen in the NFD occurred in neighboring Jubaland. There, a large party [End Page 11] of northern Aulihan led by Hajji 'Abdurrahman Mursaal surprised and killed the Serenli DC, Lieutenant Francis Elliot, and many of the British garrison. It is important to understand the motives that lay behind the sack of Serenli. The incident actually arose from a dispute between Aulihan and Marehan Somalis not long after the outbreak of the First World War and from which a series of raids and reprisals had followed. Following the deaths of nine Marehan at the hands of northern Aulihan and the looting of hundreds of camels, Lieutenant Elliot had publicly given 'Abdurrahman Mursaal an ultimatum to surrender the stolen animals to him within three days. Instead, the government-paid Reer Waffatu headman defiantly delivered a gift of black animals that, by Somali custom, constituted an open challenge to the Serenli DC. 22 The undaunted, but injudicious, Elliot apparently was contemptuous of the threat and failed to take precautions. Instead, he continued his incredible practice of locking the garrison's rifles in the guardroom each evening before sunset. 23 Moreover, he allowed a large contingent of Aulihan to camp just 100 yards from the boma.

At 7 p.m., while the askaris, or African soldiers, were settling down to evening meals, the Aulihan burst upon the British post. The Somalis set the surprised soldiers' huts on fire, and killed many of them as they fled the flames. By one account, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal himself is said to have shot Elliot beneath the ear with a revolver, and by another, to have donned Elliot's sun helmet after the raid. Dozens of Elliot's men were killed in the attack, while the survivors escaped across the Juba River to the nearby Italian post at Baardheere. The Somalis captured the company's maxim gun along with large quantities of arms and ammunition. 24 For the next 18 months, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal's northern Aulihan, strengthened by the acquisition of British weapons, held free reign over much of Jubaland and threatened British rule in the NFD as well. Indeed, a British officer with service in the region would later describe the Ogaden, of whom the Aulihan were a part, as "one of the most formidable fighting tribes in Africa" because of their mobility with their ponies, remarkable endurance, and the skill with which they wielded their spears. 25

The calamity that befell Elliot was undoubtedly partly his own doing. Nevertheless, the root of the problem stemmed from the unwillingness of higher authorities to bear the costs and accept the responsibilities of frontier [End Page 12] administration. As had been the case with other frontier representatives from the inception of British rule in northern Kenya, officials in Nairobi had placed Elliot in a position of weakness and forced him to improvise in a hostile milieu. Like those other British administrators and contrary to official policy, Elliot found himself thoroughly entangled in local politics. Reading the official records from the period, the historian is struck by the degree to which colonial officers became involved in petty disputes. At times, this involved an attempt to prevent Somali groups, including the Aulihan whom the officer-in-charge of the NFD blamed for "crowding in," from wresting the Wajir wells from the Boorana and their Ajuran allies. 26 In other cases, it entailed intrusion into feuds among the Somalis so that kaffirs, or infidels, became judges in conflicts that had heretofore been resolved by traditional means or with reference to shari'a, or Islamic law. Believing themselves impartial and just, British administrators presided over Somali shirs, mediated dia disputes, settled bride-wealth cases, and decided rights to watering sites. Such intervention could become dangerous for frontier representatives since they lacked legitimacy in Somali eyes and were without the means to enforce their decisions. That this was part of the reason for the Aulihan uprising is evidenced by the fact that, after the sack of Serenli, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal wrote a letter to King George V complaining of Lieutenant Elliot's partiality to the Marehan. 27 Meanwhile, although the taxation of Somalis had not yet been sanctioned, the authorities had long since pressured them to surrender camels for government transport. 28 Elliot, who took pride in his knowledge of the Somali language, did not fully appreciate the subtleties of Somali politics. 29 Moreover, he counted too much on his own abilities, and consequently paid the ultimate price for his folly.

Understanding something of the character of 'Abdurrahman Mursaal is also important, not only for appreciating the events which lay behind the Aulihan rebellion, but also for comprehending the critical fact of why other Somali groups failed to join his resistance to colonial rule. 'Abdurrahman Mursaal was the son of Mursaal bin Omar, an important Ogaden leader in Italian Somaliland. 30 The Aulihan chief and "holy man" came to the EAP after working for the Italian Benadir Company and running amiss of the Italian colonial administration. 31 'Abdurrahman Mursaal briefly served the Kismaayo [End Page 13] administration after 1896, when the British sent him and 18 constables to establish a customs post at Serenli. 32

He became a leader of an Ogaden rebellion in British territory in 1898, however, and was involved in the death of the Jubaland subcommissioner, A. C. W. Jenner in late 1900. 33 Nevertheless, the Reer Waffatu chief was soon working with the British again. So slight was the influence of the colonial authorities over the Somalis that they took help where they could get it. Some were not so ready to secure his services. John Hope, one of the first British officials to serve in the NFD, condemned 'Abdurrahman Mursaal's proclivities for independent action, and C. S. Reddie, a Jubaland Provincial Commissioner (PC), accused the Aulihan leader of gun-running. 34 Nevertheless, Captain R. E. Salkeld, a British officer in Jubaland who subsequently became the PC, was willing to rely on 'Abdurrahman Mursaal. 35 In fact, the Aulihan leader had the opportunity to meet with the EAP governor in 1915, and used his interview to promote his personal authority when he returned to Serenli. 36 Obviously, the Aulihan leader was a man who took his own counsel, and one who could not be pushed too far. Elliot's inability to grasp this led to tragic consequences for him and his men as well as the Aulihan chief's followers when colonial troops finally suppressed their rebellion.
"'Abdurrahman Mursaal's northern Aulihan, strengthened by the acquisition of British weapons, held free reign over much of Jubaland and threatened British rule in the NFD as well. Indeed, a British officer with service in the region would later describe the Ogaden, of whom the Aulihan were a part, as "one of the most formidable fighting tribes in Africa" because of their mobility with their ponies, remarkable endurance, and the skill with which they wielded their spears."
By Allah, I will not be a slave to the Government.

--'Abdurrahman Mursaal, February 1917

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Django » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:24 pm

Whereas the Marehan were prepared to observe the
truce negotiated by the local administrator, Captain Elliot. Abdirahman mursal, the chief of the auliyahan ogaden rejected the truce.
Abdirahman requested to be given a day to consult with his elders concerning the
ultimatum. Instead of coming to the negotiating haraza, however, Abdirahman and his people
sacked Fort Serenli on the evening of 10 March 1916. The unsuspecting British forces at th
fort were mercilessly routed and the District Commissioner, Captain Elliot, was murdered
by Abdirahman Mursal 'with his own hand' . 46 The Auliyahan then began systematic
looting of government stores and even the local business community was not spared. The
government was forced to evacuate Fort Serenli to Kismayu in the south and Moyale to the
north west. For two years Abdirahman Mursal was the authority in northern Jubaland and
the British could do nothing
The sacking of Serenli was unique, in Jubaland' s history because' of the vast damage that had
befallen the British in the Jubaland,47 and it was only comparable to the lawlessness and
destruction of both property and looting that was taking place in British Somali land in the
north in the same period. The casualties were disheartening for 'over 35 IK.A.R] soldiers
were killed and about 50 civilians lost their lives,48 during- the sacking of Serenli. The
Auliyahan looted the town for two days

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Postby Django » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:40 pm

"Number 2 column proceeded down the Juba River as far as Malkaadi, halting on the 22nd to
await the arrival of the inland party. Later news reached the camp that No 1 column had
captured a large quantity of enemy camels, but was being attacked by Auhilan in force. The
Marehan Levies had bolted,
but the KAR troops were holding firm. Immediately, Captain
Martin despatched 30 Somali Riflemen under Colour Sergeant Mohamed Amiashi and a
further 150 Marehan Levies to Hafalani, six hours march away. The inland column (Colour
Sergeant Fareh Rageh) having driven off the tribesmen succeeded in reaching Hafalani the
following morning. Shortly afterwards some 2000 camels were captured as they came to
water. Colour Sergeant Farah Rageh decided to drive them on to Serenli, but was waylaid by
a strong force (estimated at several hundred) of Aulihan. A running fight lasting several hours
ensued. Once again the Marehan Levies proved to be absolutely useless and bolted. Heavily
outnumbered (Colour Sergeant Mohamed Ainashi’s force had not yet caught up), the small
KAR force adopted the tactic of laying prone on the sand & volley firing as the tribesmen
approached. Over fifty of the Aulihan were killed and many wounded. Again the levies did
not perform at all well, and almost without exception ran away. They lost 17 killed and many
wounded. In many cases they had been stabbed in the back as they fled. It was of course
quite impossible to keep hold of 2000 camels in those circumstances and only 160 actually
reached Serenli. No 1 column after handing over the camels re-joined No2 column at
Malkaadi."

"Corporal Jama Mohamed of G Company had a narrow escape, severely wounded he was
stabbed by an Aulihan with his own bayonet. A Government scout Samanter Aden bravely
rushed forward and wounded the tribesman before he could kill the corporal."

"The final statistics for the campaign were: Auhilan dead counted on the field 92 (although the
tribe estimated a figure of well over 300); largebore rifles taken 402; Government rifles
recaptured (from Lieutenant Elliott’s disaster) 32; ammunition taken 16, 000 rounds; Maxim
gun recaptured in good condition (Lieut. Elliott’s). In addition, over 5000 camels were taken
to Sereneli (this is excluding those claimed by the Government fine). Captain Martin had
achieved this result with only five British Officers and 96 Somali troops (G and the MI
Company) supported by just over 100 Swahali troops and the rather useless Marehan Levies.
The latter had continuously proven their unreliablability under fire.

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Postby Django » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:59 pm

Indeed, when the punitive expedition actually got underway, many of the
British askaris were Isaak Somalis from British Somaliland, and a number of
local Marehan joined the colonial troops in suppressing the Aulihan.
Such internecine fighting among the Somalis gave the colonial authorities
the breathing space they so desperately needed. Early in the crisis, Colonel
George Thesiger, the KAR Inspector General, had expressed the crux of British
policy succinctly. He wrote that playing the Marehan and Muhammad Zubeir
off against the Aulihan was “the essential need of our frontier policy for the
duration of the war.
according to Sa’id Ahmed bin Sheikh, a British intelligence
agent at Baardheere, organized a force of 700 men to oppose Aulihan
egress through their domains into Italian Somaliland.95 Paradoxically, when the
Marehan asked for British assistance, the Jubaland PC voiced the opinion that
the Somalis were simply “agitating in order to obtain arms and ammunition
from the Government.”96 Imperial authorities now were taking allies on their
own terms, and remained wary of armed Marehan.
Barrett still
thought the Marehan unreliable allies, and proposed that the British go it alone
against the rebels.
Only a small number of these
were taken to Serenli, however, as the Marehan levies with whom they were
entrusted bolted with the confiscated animals
Meanwhile, Marehan levies conscripted to help the British with the seized
Aulihan stock had scrambled off with many captured animals to the embarrassment
of colonial officials.

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Voltage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:10 am

Django,

Again,

Again,

and again literally ALL Ogaden have is one journal article written in 1999 by George Simpson who said he did his ethnographic research for the article in Gaarisa.

His research question for Michigan State University was also strictly the Aulihan experience in British Jubbaland.

That's why Aulihan is central in his article.

However, if one doesn't narrow their research focus, there is nothing else to talk about except Marehan during that time and in that place.

That's why the 1999 article with the narrow research focus by Simpson aside;

1. In EVERY OTHER source about that history, Marehan is central.

2. In the official chronical of the King's African Rifles written by commanders on the ground, Marehan is central.

3. In British Parliament debates at the same time as those events, the British government only talks about the war with Marehan.

4. In news paper articles of the same time, only Marehan is talked about.

5. In the official treaty between Britain and Italy for handing over Jubbaland, it is strictly interpreted in the relevant memoranda that Marehan is a main reason for getting rid of Jubbaland, the border will contain the Marehan, and that the British governtment will not allow for Marehan cross-border migration. The British even spent 6 months actively removing Marehan from Wajeer.

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Look at this ilaahay macbuudkiis. It was considered "ESSENTIAL" by the British that Marehan never be allowed to enter the part that remained British Kenya.

Django, do you NOW understand why you even have a Gaarisa without Marehan presence? :|

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Voltage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:33 am

Finally,

To both Guhad and Django, as a general matter, we no longer respond to the Simpson article from 1999 for these reasons.

1. It has been debated to death. For every statement about Marehan in that article, dozens of sources from the time have been posted putting things into context.

2. We don't disagree that Awlyahan finally rebelled against the British, but WHY they did it and WHEN they did it is important.

3. The Awlyahan revolt came AFTER the Marehan revolt. During the Marehan revolt, Awlyahan were scouts for the British. As a result, Marehan was paying them back during their revolt.

From your 1999 Simpson article;

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From the KAR book

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4. Awlyahan not only revolted AFTER Marehan, not only SUPPORTED the British during the Marehan revolt, but even their revolt was due to resentment that the British had somehow become "pro-Marehan."

From your 1999 Simpson article

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Ceeb badanaa. "Your Majesty, I didn't want to go against your government, but I have to fight now because your Governor likes the Marehan !!"

5. Whatever the cause and when it happened, we still generally respect that Awlyahan did end up revolting. It aids the collective Somali spirit against colonialism.

6. With regards to Marehan "BOLTING" with the looted camels and all that; DUH. Marehan wasn't in that because of KALGACAYL toward British. Marehan was getting payback and when they got they loot, they ditched the gaalo.

7.Awlyahan aside, THE REST OF OGADEEN LED BY MOHAMED SUBEER WERE THE BIGGEST SLAVES TO THE BRITISH IN KENYA. Subxaanalaah, can you imagine Django whose Mohamed Subeer were the biggest puppets and meek little slaves to colonists is the one even talking about this? Look at their Sultan beating a member of his own clan for disobeying the British or making sure he was the one to open the gates for them whenever they arrived?

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I don't want to get into clan nonsense, but one of the most surprising things I have come to observe about Marehan is the complete disdain/arrogance toward the idea they can easily defeat Ogaadeen for Kismaayo. It's almost yasid; like they completely put down that Ogaden can even stand up to them.

I never understood why they underestimate Ogaadeen with such dismissive arrogance, so wallahi one time I asked a Cali Dheere old man who spent his life trading in NFD and Gedo.

You know what he said?

"Adeer Ogaadeenka Galbeed iyo Ogaadeenkaan isku mid maaha. Kuwaan vlvar waa Booran iyo Wardeey barka kalena xiniinyahaa laga saaray."

When I see the history of Mohamed Subeer in the land and see the conduct of even their Chief like that, I don't know what to believe or disbelief.

I don't even know how Ogaden except for Awlyahan can even dare to talk about this.

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Postby dalalos101 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:40 am

Voltage to be fair it benefited us that Awliyaahan finally revolted, they are considered the most sovereign Ogaden subclan to this day in Jubaland, they operate almost as a seperate clan.

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Re: Damn, the British couldn't contain Marehan in Jubbaland in the early 1900s

Postby Django » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:05 am

Voltage you of all the people? :lol:
Very dishonest individual who once plagiarised the Serelne raid as being Marexan raid on snet.


The accounts you are trying to discredit are genuine.

Marexan were not dorminant in Gedo.It was cawliyahan.

I just gave you an account of Cawliyahan.I havent given you an account of Maxamed Zubeer.


Fact is you were only dealing with Northern Cawliyahan not even the majority of Cawliyahan.

If Ogaden were insignificant how come their land was streched from Bardheere to Afmadow to Kismaayo to Lamu to Garissa to Wajir Marsabit? That covers most of Jubbaland and NFD.


Where was Marexan? Fighting for survival in the fringes of upper Gedo against Degodia,Garreh,Northern Auliyahan.

You were mostly British Askaris.

The accounts of the conquests and set backs of The British Empire is found in the Britiah Museam.No matter how much you want to lie it will not sell.

Dont tell me simpson is the only primary source of these articles as if he sat down and wrote it like the New testament of King james version.


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