Where is Saddam? i have some gifts for him as reer Guri

[Voltage]

Where is our young Turk these days? 7

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Im here bro. Drop it

[Voltage]

Saddam, what route do you think Marehan Guri took?

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

The Guri migration to the Jubbas has always been interesting. The Marehan had relatively good pastures in the general haud area in the mid 1800s, but the Guri had the foresight to gamble on conquering new foreign lands and ended up hitting the jackpot.



The Galti migration seems a bit more straightforward since they heard from their Guri kinsmen about the conquered region with many prime opportunities for expansion into ideal long term pasture with a permanent fresh water fixture.



The British Jubbaland protectorate underestimated the Galti Marehan and paid the price in a swift defeat.

[Voltage]

Ugaaska Barakaysan, I have come to find out Marehan is probably the most if not one of the mosr recorded/described clans among the Somali people.

There is a whole host of information I have gotten my hands on including information on the Guri migration.

It was similar pressure that led to the Guri migration

[dalalos101]

I am actually trying to trace Marehan migration pattern from BMA/AFIS to colonial era, to pre-colonial era, to Adal era to the medieval ages. What part of Somali lands have we not graced with our presence.

[barbarossa]

Indeed, no Skinny clan had ever piqued the interest of historians more than that of the noble House of Sade.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Saddam, what route do you think Marehan Guri took?

The Shabelles. They need to cross the Shabelles first.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Voltage,

The suspense is killing me. Drop the link

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

Ugaaska Barakaysan, I have come to find out Marehan is probably the most if not one of the mosr recorded/described clans among the Somali people.

There is a whole host of information I have gotten my hands on including information on the Guri migration.

It was similar pressure that led to the Guri migration

That sort of information is definitely invaluable the sort of pressures that lead to both migrations should be recorded and rearranged in an order that fits this new age. The archives I've read through definitely mention the Marehan a lot more than any other clan by far it just goes to show that nothing has changed over the years in terms of our scope of influence. I look forward to reading any new materials you come across.

[Voltage]

Sorry Saddam!

I will get on it todag

[Voltage]

Ugaaska Barakaysan, I have come to find out Marehan is probably the most if not one of the mosr recorded/described clans among the Somali people.

There is a whole host of information I have gotten my hands on including information on the Guri migration.

It was similar pressure that led to the Guri migration

That sort of information is definitely invaluable the sort of pressures that lead to both migrations should be recorded and rearranged in an order that fits this new age. The archives I've read through definitely mention the Marehan a lot more than any other clan by far it just goes to show that nothing has changed over the years in terms of our scope of influence. I look forward to reading any new materials you come across.

It is explosive what I am about to say but

---The Showan onslaught which gobbled up all the petty states of Abbysinnia to lead a colonial Europe-backed Abbysinian move gainst all the present nations of Ethiopia

-caused the uprootment or move of the Western Somali and Darod border...namely the Marehan of West (primarily Hassan Gaalshireedle and some rest of Sade) and the southwestern OG (
Primarily Talomogo and same of Bahale)

---Listen. To. this. Very. Very. Clearly.

.......The Darod Guri migration and the effects of the Abbysinian reorganization of Ethiopia might have led to the "Somalization" of 1/3 of present Somalis (and no I am not talking about Rahanwayn, I am the talking about the Shabelle Valley beginning in the mountains housing the tomb of Sheikh Hussein to the present Somali boundary between Hiiraan and Middle Shabelle)

..... WHOLE SWATHES of Arussi Oromo were Somalized... I am not going to name clans as therr is no definite this clan kr that clan, but for something to ponder Therr is NO AJUURAAN KINGDOM THAT EVER EXISTED. 0. NOTHING. This is not opinion. This is fact. There is 0 written record. In the last year I have read everything I could and I realized how little I and all of us know about Somali history.

----The Rahanwayn preceeded the Shabelle Somalization by about half a century but has still not finished inducting which gives the impression new comers. The initia Rahanwayn group led by the Jiidu in Digil formed from the Borana Sabbo, and has continued to act as the link between thr Swahili Benadir coast and the Cushitic hinterland. they even took in the Gugundhabe and thr Hawadle but lost influence to thr surging Somalization identity competing with them in the Shabelle centered on the Zawiya or Xer centers in Iimeey.This is why they have the confused non-rooted places in the main identities



----as for us Darood or northeasterners then, it seems we were part of the first to break up from thr original homebase in Sidama oganized under the Hadiyya/Adea organtion where the big group we were part of formed into three depending on the eay they went once they reached the salt marshes of today's Shiniille/Dirir Dhabe arwa
-----Early Somali/Darood
---Afar
-Saho

The friction between the early Somali/Darood and the Afar-Saho birthed the early Dir and early Isaaq (I am 100% this is the Habar Magaadle/Garxajis or T carriers)...

Islam defined the Somali boundary and it seems two following pivotal events filled it

1. The Muslim Adal Wars (I now understand there wasn't Oromo is false... there werent BORAN PAGANS is what it was, but there were Barentuma Muslims who are known today as either Oromo/Afran Qallo or Isaaq/Habar Habuusheed or Gudabiirsi)

The wars defined the separtness ot a Somali ethnic group after that was known as TEMUR (not Somali, this name wasn't used until 1800's)

2. The colonialism era indirectly beginning with the surging rise of the petty Showa/Shewa State where Amara-speaking Showa conquered the Tigrayan speaking Abbysinian parts beginning the Ethiopia of today.

Quite literally 40% of the Somali ethnic group became Somalized after 1800 primarily from Barentuma Arsi/Guji Oromo (Shabelle Valley) and Borana Sabbo/Karayyu/Macca Oromo (Interriverinr and primarily Mirifle)

i am literally quite shocked and bewildered still strongly under historical amnesia we are under as Somalis

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

This is definitely a lot to digest and is completely divergent to any of the known Somali oral tradition. From what I've read there was a constant war against the Gaala Madoow and the subsequent conquering of those people continued to push them into what is now modern day Oromia.

I'd be hard pressed to believe there was a Somalization process to that extent that took place, since those groups would need to be adopted into a sheegat system. The prevalent use of Mtdna technologies will solve and reveal many mysteries for sure. I must ask what sort of documents did you receive this information from?

[Voltage]

No, don't even. Literally don't even attempt to bring up oral history. Even as an improvable theory which gives the facade of being an option.

I was wonder this false delusion myself until this year I now realize because by birth in the Somali ethnic group, I was born into a narrative of a lie.

But quite literally, it is not improvable but DISPROVABLE

1. Even compared to just 5-10 years ago, we now have enough genetic test cases of the Somali people with consistent results to unmoor the Arab Origins theory

2.I mean literally take stock of THIS. VERY. VERY. INTENSELY. The Arab origins theory is not just a part of Somali ethnicity, it is quite literally THE FOUNDATION.

3. It is categorically false. The consistent mid-70's to8O's percentile E3b roughly correlates to the Cushitic origin group of the Somali nation (others being Somali Bantu and Swahili/Arabized origins). This means nomadic majority Cushitic Somalis are not only non-Arab in paternal descent but completely unmistakable from and wholy part of the Cushtici Horners evolved and still existing hwre.

4. I think just THAT completely makes oral history irrelevant as a part of a scientific intellectual analysis of our history. Oral history is nice as stories under the camp fire in a premodern nomadic camp but complete irrelevant especially once the basic foundation has proven completely false.

SOME. OTHER. BASIC. THINGS. THAT. TELL. ORAL HISTORY TO BE GONE.

5. Just a 120 years ago we had European colonialists writing everything from field journal entries to official reports to British Parliament records where at least for example Jubbaland is concerned.

One thing or another could be unexplainable or a mistake or an oversight or misunderstandig or something like the "Bon Wagieda" irrelevance or writing Marehan is an Ogaden clan or Harti is a Marehan clan rtc rtc rtc.

But consistent, multi-person, multi-level reporting identifies Wardaay as Oromo, Gurre as a back migration Oromo clan, Massare which is today a Gugudlandhabe clan as an Oromo Borana clan, and even Ajuuraan Jubba as part and parcel back migration Oromo clan (funny thing TODAY in Mooyaale there is Ajuuraan Borana and Ajuuraan Somali).

We have the GASAARGUDE SULTAN explain multiple times from Boteggo to Ugo Ferrandi to Enrico Cerulli that "Gabaabweyn" are their "Swahili subjects" and that less than TWO GENERATIONS AGO (HIS GRANDFATHER), they broke off from Oromo and settled in Luuq after leaving the Welmel (where the Jubba/Ganaane meets Bali highlands)

BUT YET...

------Just a 100 YEARS LATER, the Gasaargude of Oromo ethnicity according to their Sultan with their different Swahili subjects of a Bantu origin the Gabaabweyn ARE BOTH DIGIL AND MIRIFLE Somali clan members
------the Ajuuraan and Massare very clear Oromo Borana Sabbo (Massare) and Oromo Barantuma Arsi are both Hawiye (although the unstable, not strongly rooted positions Ajuuraan sister or daughter something gave birth to and the Gugundhabe Saransoor Samaale brother to Hawiye or Gugundhabe Saransoor Hawiye member betrays the process of Somalization was forcefully hurried)
----AND THE VERY CLEAR Wardey Borana Oromo whom is not even once, I mean ONCE, even mistakenly called Somali then and very definitelively understood Borana Sabbo Oromo is today part of DIR Somali,

...

THIS. IS. MODERN. RECORDED. HISTORY

That completely disproves and even CONTEXTUALIZES the oral history which is completely malleable/adaptable/and especially FLEXIBLE in NEVER BEING ROOTED TO SCIENTIFIC ACCURACY but really just explains the things people had to evolve about their identity to survive and have livelihood in that environment

I mean quite literally THE DAROD GURI MIGRATION directly impacted the Somalization process there due to their sheer and overbearing (even oppressive) conquest of the Jubba Valley

The continuum in that particular chain of events didn't start with them but in that phasr started with Showa taking over Abbysinia and then what is today modern Ethiopia conquering multiple nations and polities.

But that continuum is also with origins even further back with two other phases being the Adal wars with Abbysinia and the advent/beginning of Islam.

Probably thr most imporant point:

The Rahanwayn as populary mischaracterized by the nomadic faradheer and even what I sourced about the Somalization in the Jubba and thr Shabelle ARE NOT OUTLIERS

THEY ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS.

EVEN THE DAROD HAVE BRANCHED OFF FROM A CUSHITIC POLITY WITH Oromo as mothership or foundation.

ALL SOMALIS OF THE CUSHITIC NOMADIC BACKGROUND ORIGINATE IN SOUTHERN ETHIOPIA IN WHAT IS TODAY Sidama


This is just fact along with what are possible migration details for examplr I use Darood as base of Somalis BECAUSE THEY ARE THE OLDEST RECORDED, THE LONGEST CONTINUOUSLY RECORDED, AND THE PRIMARY AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT CONSISTENTLY IDENTIFIED WITH A Somali nation

Even the flexible "Sheekh Isxaaq" came 400 years later is quite literally nothing more than a reflection of the second phase of Somalization during thr Adal wars continuum which saw the bulk Northwestern Somalis

...born from the friction area of the early Somali/Darood and the Afar-Saho who 400 years earlier started breaking apart themselves from a single Somali/Darood/Afar/Saho tribe who migrated as an offshoot of the Oromo/Cushitic mothership in Sidama which would be giving labor to Somalis for the next 700 or so years

We are so completely oblivious to real history.

[Voltage]

Also some very quick SALIENT points

1. The Negas Yeshaq with the oldest recorded use of "Somali."

Absolutely categorically false. It mentiones the SOALI RIVER which was a tributary of the Hawash descending into what is today Fafaan. Just a 150 years ago, during torrid rains, the Fafan as the last manifestation of that river could sometimes reach Higloole/Shilaabo area.

It is totally dry today.

At that time, even "Daroor" today cames from the DARDURA RIVER snaking down from Mait to water the Nugaal.

My own personal theory is "DAROOD" probably comes from Dardura where the identity became grounded even to this day.

I also suspect the Dardura probably water a lush Nugaal forest or the infamous LAND OF MYRRH/MURR which is also wherr I suspect the Marehan identity within Darod was birthed.

It is possible even the drying lf the Dardura begin the great Darod southward migration which was completely Marehan led until the Jubba move which Marehan and Ogaden jointly participated.

But STILL THE SOMALI MENTIONED IN YESHAQ POEM IS CATEGORICALLY FALSE.

2. Not ONLY is it false but oddly and I do not understand how much Somali historiagrqphy failed so bad, but the ABBYSINIAN STATE IN EVERY RECORD IDENTIFIED SOMALIS AS "TEMUR".

IT IS QUITE LITERALLY PROBABLY THE MOST BEWILDEERING THING ABOUT SOMALI HISTORY THAT THIS NAME IS SO UNKNOWN.

3. The Arab Ibn said wrote of "Hawiye" taking over the town of Merca innthe 1400"'s.

CATEGORICALLY. FALSE. NO IFS. NO BUTS. CATEGORICALLY FALSE.

The term "Zawiya" seems to have fallen out of favor all over the Muslim world for a Dariqa/Tariqa base which can explain modern revision if only "Hawiye" as existing today as a nomenclature in similarity, but THE TERM WAS THE MOST POPULAR TERM IN THE MIDDLE AGES FOR A SUFI DARIQA.

Today in Somalia we call them Jamaaca and in nomadic camps we call them Xer, but during the existence of Islamic Kingdoms situated in Harar/Adal, there were STATE FINANCED "ZAWIYAH" as un directly invested by the Amir in Harar. To the Somali coast, there were two IMPORTANT ZAWIYAHS DOWNSTREAM THE Shabelle from Harar to the Benadir coast who also acted as unofficial "eyes/ears" and a from of cultural emissary keeping th3 Harar Emirate intimately aware of all events to the Muslim coast.

These two were IIMEEY (IME) and MERCA.

Even THE EXISTENCE OR DEVELOPMENT OF THE BAARDHEERE JAMAACA WAS A RESULT OF THE ETHIOPIAN SEIZURE OF HARAR UNDER HAILE SELASSIE'S FATHER.

IT seems the fall of Harar and the vulnerability it brought to the Zawiya in Shabelle caused a panic and move as a way to break with the pass/fall of old system. The Dariqa moved from the Shabelle to the Jubba rebranding itself as JAMAACA.

It is not a coincidence that the first and most enduring resisitence to colonialism in Somalia begin with DARIQA/ZAWIYAH/JAMAACA from the Sayid (who collected first supporters from the Harar-linkrd- Dariqa he used to band and forcefully cobble clan loyalties around him) to the Italian resistance of SHEEKH AWEES/THE GAALJECEL BARSANE/MERKA BIYAMAAL all part of the same Harar-linked-Zawiyah brotherhood with final link at Merca.

The same reason that HARGEISA started as HARAR-AS-SAQIIR ("AS-SAGHER") by Sheekh Madar, Zawiyah brotherhood member in Harar first

IS THE SAME REASON why IIMEEY or the strongest Zawiyah mission downstream the Shabelle birthed the mythical Ajuuraan Kingdom with the newest creations origins story of the reorganization of the Jamaaca into a XEER POLITY ("Somali tribe/clan) after fall of Harar and no Islamic Polity holding them together after fall of Harar

IS THE SAME REASON that reconfigured the southern most chain of the Zawiya based jn Lower Shabelle into a similar Xeer reconfiguration founded where the Merka Zawiye fled to restart in the upper Jubba Valley (NOTE THAT LUGH FOUNDED TO PROVIDE TRADE TO THE NEW MARKET IN BAARDHEERE WAS FOUNDED BY THE GASAARGUDE WHO.SO.HAPPEN.TO.HAVE.BECOME THE SULTAN/NOBILITY OF THE THEN NEW XEER POLITY REPLACING THE END OF THE ISLAMIC POLITY. THAT XEER POLITIY IS MIRIFLE OR RAHANWAYN EVEN TODAY WITH GASAARGUDE AS BOQORO).

YOU will note even that at the end the Sayid as part of this trajectory DIED IN IIMEEY or that the ONLY Ajuuraan "Sultan" anyone can ever name or existed for that matter Sultan Olol Diinle is from Iimeey.

In the end the AJUURAAN "KINGDOM" was like KENADID'S SULTANATE.

They were real and not imaginary, but they werr neither a kingdom nor a Sultanate but transitory, temporary moments in time filling the space abdicated to confusion and disorder.

Like before the moment, there was nothing ness after but MYTHOLOGY.

4. You will not that the FUTUH AL HABASHA never uses the word "SOMALI."

NOT ONCR.

Neither do the Portuguese who call them Moors/Muslims, nor the Abbhsinians who interchange the adoption of Moor from the Portuguese in the form of Malaysaay, the people of Bar Sad-ad-din or Adalites with pther localized rrgional namrs.

5. You will recall IBN BATUTA NEVER USE THE WORD SOMALI....all the Somalis are called "BLACKS KNOWN AS BERBERIS" and even the non-Arabic dominant tongue of Mogadishu he calls MAQDISHAWI (evidence that it is more likely that even the Somali language before modern times wasnt identified to a Somali identity)

Etc etc etc

All of this is attributable to what I call PRE AND POST I. M Lewis. I will explain this later