I support FULL REAPPROACHMRNT btw Marehan and Digil + Mirifle.

[Voltage]

FULL REAPPROACHMENT.

UNEQUIVOCALLY. WITHOUT WAITING FOR A SINGLE CONDITION.

IT IS TIME.

As part of my look historically, I have had a lot of information to look through and situate my perspective.

As Marehan, our position has been simple, unwavering, and unyielding at "Rahanwayn joined USC and attacked us from the back during our war for survival."

They did. I have lost close family to them. I have not hidden this fact nor have I been so considerate of them politically though I have never wished anything negative on any D & M individual. You might recall Shirib who is a Mod here is a long time family friend of mine. I have never blurred the lines between politics and people.

But even so, my position on politics was misguided.

Beyond our individual perspectives and personal stories and subjective rationalizations, there is a wider world out there we almost never get to chance so long as we are devoid of the humility and empathy needed to check the worst excesses or limitations of our own assumptions.

Understanding brings that humility and empathy.

There is a history before 1991.

Even if we Marehan say "Well they are lying then too; Siad Barre didn't bring us to this land" .... there is also a history before 1969.

We as Marehan have not been the nicest people in history.

We didn't come out of nowhere innocent as a babe and entice people to take us for our sense of charity.

No, we took land. We raided live stock. We killed those who resisted and we claimed where we are today by right of conquest.

We were not innocent and we were NOT nice.

If Marehan and Digil & Mirifle are able to able to bridge this history and truly take each other into their bosom as brothers, wallahi I get goosebumbs trying to imagine just what this sends to Somalis as a lesson.

Right now we are both passive aggressively ignoring each other. No single issue in Somalia has the potential to ignite such a fury of blood and existential like war of annihilation than this issue between Rahanwayn and Marehan. The last time they clashed it caused world wide shocking starvation.

So we both ignore it and we both ignore each other.

As Marehan, I say it is Marehan that should take the first step. It is Marehan that owes responsibility for initiating the end to conflict began by Marehan.

I hope this is soon.

I hope even Pres Lafta Gareen, born of both blood, is the one who lights the spark.

It is time.

[Murax]

I agree 100%. I need to find a Rosetta Stone for Af maay maay. Voltage from what I hear from several people coming back from Somalia they are becoming the preeminent power. Baay, Bakool are our neighboring region I support a strong alliance.


I even defended them when MX were getting mad @ many of them coming to Doolow and settling.


Btw its sad that you have to describe citizens of the same country, same race as them or they but that’s a issue for another day.

[nine]

Somalis hold hands or the status quo continues no naive somalinimo.

[Voltage]

I agree 100%. I need to find a Rosetta Stone for Af maay maay. Voltage from what I hear from several people coming back from Somalia they are becoming the preeminent power. Baay, Bakool are our neighboring region I support a strong alliance.


I even defended them when MX were getting mad @ many of them coming to Doolow and settling.


Btw its sad that you have to describe citizens of the same country, same race as them or they but that’s a issue for another day.

Murax,

Even while editing, I questioned myself multiple times with regard to language.

For example, when I said "took land", "right of conquest", "raided livrstock", etc strangely I asked myself if I was betraying some Marehan-bias and even possibly heroifying past misdeeds---

---until it literally hit me that If I was betraying any bias, it would be Somali-conditioning where inverse to the rest of the world, it is the oppressive actions which have been narrated to sound as the noble or heroic actions.

Raiding livestock is not a heroic action and subscribing it to our ancestors is not a noble quality. Like so many things in history, how and why it happened can be debated, but for the purposes of recognizing historical wrong, we have to face that, for example, there was nothing strong or noble about the enslavers who put the chains on our West African brothers The stealing of human bodies and selling of their labor wasn't strong nor noble. Opposite in fact. It was a symbol of the weakness, the deficit, rot of human capacity for humanity, morality, and strength for resisting our innate weakness at the base.

Our history is so ever present even in how I was going to describe exactly what I thought was the deficit of our ancestors until I realized history may live but shall not live over me as Maya Angelou once said.

I actually have gotten interesting wanting to learn Maay myself. i would even add Af Maay should be STANDARD NATIONALLY and in PRACTICE be treated just like Maxaa Tiri as two co-national dialects.

As Marehan, you are right. There should be an even greater emphasis for learning Maay as one of the States where May will also need to be declared a State co-dialect.

Luuq is the town of their Chieftains and Baardheere a historic Jamaaca and the Jubba is central tp the concept of Reewin identity.

Even beyong that, if you look at economically and business, it makes great sense to treat down every single proverbial wall, real or otherwise that has been put up between Reewin and Marehan today in Gedo.

Even imagine how much farmland and production we all are collectively losing out on because of this divide.

I have come to the understanding that MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE;

1. Reewin deserve and have a right to their legacy.
2. Reewin are a CULTURA FORCE FOR GOOD for Marehan in terms of helping us making the jump needed to sedentary civilization and therefore readiness for modern citizenship in a modern state.

Most importantly, I have come to admire Reewin purely on the merits. Everything we demonized about them is a strength and a blessing for them. And everything we claimed against them is, in my opinion, a weakness and a cause of instability for us

For example, when he showed a desire for compromise, we said he is weak.

So next time, we sociopathically pushed even harder, only to misunderstand why he compromised even more.

He wasn't weak; he bad something to lose.

Our Marehan ancestors could deconstruct their entire camp and load their "raar" (nomadic homes) on their camels in one sunrise. By mid-day, he was in a different valley without any connection to where he was that morning.

The Reewin had his shambo/farm. His "raar" was all in the ground waiting for harvest. It decided whether his entire camp survived or not. The loans he owned, the dowry for his children's marriage, whether his parents could have their loans paid, his self respect and dignity... It wasn't hundreds of walking gold coins in the form of camels... It was the beans just sprouting up and down the field

So from the start the relationship was unequal. The nomad loses nothing but ONLY gains while the Reewin can only lose due to being rooted. When he compromised more and more, it wasn't weakness but hope from a position of pround desperation that at least some of the harvest, AR LEAST SOME, had to be salvaged and if the price to do it was to accommodate our greed it was worth the price.

We owe Reewin an apology and desire to overcome our past.

[gobdoon]

I heard the story 1990 the last days of Ziad Bare in Villa Somalia Marexan were looting money and running away save their skin and left him his own demise, where Dhafor Qiiq MJ came rescued him and took him away,

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Stop having guilt over what your ancestors did. I don't apologise for shit Siad Barre did or MX. I look at it as a sense of pride.

[grandpakhalif]

Stop having guilt over what your ancestors did. I don't apologise for shit Siad Barre did or MX. I look at it as a sense of pride.

Aar Sade never forgets his enemies, this guy is so clueless and sheltered in his Seattle ivory and doesnt know the grave threat these people pose to our very existence. They claim Gelaadi sultanate ruled Bardhere and Luugh Ganaane so they claim Gedo too. Dont forget these are the very same people who stuck nails(masaabiir) into the heads of fleeing Marehan civilians during the height of the civil war. There savagery is not limited too barbarity, nay, but they also use AS as a guise to take revenge on their tribal enemies.

A good example would be the raging clan war right now in Wanlaweyn between Shanta Caleemood and Gaaljaceyl where the latter is using AS as a bulkwark to wipe out the former. They are employing these tactics in Gedo also, the qarax recently carried out in Beledxaawo is a prime example.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Stop having guilt over what your ancestors did. I don't apologise for shit Siad Barre did or MX. I look at it as a sense of pride.

Aar Sade never forgets his enemies, this guy is so clueless and sheltered in his Seattle ivory and doesnt know the grave threat these people pose to our very existence. They claim Gelaadi sultanate ruled Bardhere and Luugh Ganaane so they claim Gedo too. Dont forget these are the very same people who stuck nails(masaabiir) into the heads of fleeing Marehan civilians during the height of the civil war. There savagery is not limited too barbarity, nay, but they also use AS as a guise to take revenge on their tribal enemies.

A good example would be the raging clan war right now in Wanlaweyn between Shanta Caleemood and Gaaljaceyl where the latter is using AS as a bulkwark to wipe out the former. They are employing these tactics in Gedo also, the qarax recently carried out in Beledxaawo is a prime example.

I understand. What is done is done. But making peace from a position of strength has its merits on some levels. But never forget. I get it.

[AwBakayle]

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Stop having guilt over what your ancestors did. I don't apologise for shit Siad Barre did or MX. I look at it as a sense of pride.
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Aar Sade never forgets his enemies, this guy is so clueless and sheltered in his Seattle ivory and doesnt know the grave threat these people pose to our very existence. They claim Gelaadi sultanate ruled Bardhere and Luugh Ganaane so they claim Gedo too. Dont forget these are the very same people who stuck nails(masaabiir) into the heads of fleeing Marehan civilians during the height of the civil war. There savagery is not limited too barbarity, nay, but they also use AS as a guise to take revenge on their tribal enemies.

A good example would be the raging clan war right now in Wanlaweyn between Shanta Caleemood and Gaaljaceyl where the latter is using AS as a bulkwark to wipe out the former. They are employing these tactics in Gedo also, the qarax recently carried out in Beledxaawo is a prime example.
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Gedo is part and parcel of Rahaweyn culture and history. Large percentage of Gedo population speaks Af Maay. Luuq and Baardhere have higher percentage of Maay speakers, especially the farming community in rural areas.

In our culture, we believe in coexistence. We believe in work ethics. Zero sum games are what cause made Somalia a failed state ruled by so called international community.

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

Stop having guilt over what your ancestors did. I don't apologise for shit Siad Barre did or MX. I look at it as a sense of pride.

Aar Sade never forgets his enemies, this guy is so clueless and sheltered in his Seattle ivory and doesnt know the grave threat these people pose to our very existence. They claim Gelaadi sultanate ruled Bardhere and Luugh Ganaane so they claim Gedo too. Dont forget these are the very same people who stuck nails(masaabiir) into the heads of fleeing Marehan civilians during the height of the civil war. There savagery is not limited too barbarity, nay, but they also use AS as a guise to take revenge on their tribal enemies.

A good example would be the raging clan war right now in Wanlaweyn between Shanta Caleemood and Gaaljaceyl where the latter is using AS as a bulkwark to wipe out the former. They are employing these tactics in Gedo also, the qarax recently carried out in Beledxaawo is a prime example.

I agree ina adeer, we don't believe in this naive nonsense.These people he wants reconciliation with sided with our enemies when they thought we were outnumbered and now hide under the banner of insurgency to wreak havoc where they are welcomed. A weak person is not an inherently good person as voltage thinks, they just don't have the means to cause harm. We should continue to step on their necks and show no mercy.

That gramgram dialect is also obsolete and serves no purpose other than highlighting the difference in social stratification, the notion of standardizing it is baffling to say the least. Somali abaal malaho they showed that when they rebelled against our benevolent leadership due to envy.

[grandpakhalif]

Stop having guilt over what your ancestors did. I don't apologise for shit Siad Barre did or MX. I look at it as a sense of pride.

Aar Sade never forgets his enemies, this guy is so clueless and sheltered in his Seattle ivory and doesnt know the grave threat these people pose to our very existence. They claim Gelaadi sultanate ruled Bardhere and Luugh Ganaane so they claim Gedo too. Dont forget these are the very same people who stuck nails(masaabiir) into the heads of fleeing Marehan civilians during the height of the civil war. There savagery is not limited too barbarity, nay, but they also use AS as a guise to take revenge on their tribal enemies.

A good example would be the raging clan war right now in Wanlaweyn between Shanta Caleemood and Gaaljaceyl where the latter is using AS as a bulkwark to wipe out the former. They are employing these tactics in Gedo also, the qarax recently carried out in Beledxaawo is a prime example.

I agree ina adeer, we don't believe in this naive nonsense.These people he wants reconciliation with sided with our enemies when they thought we were outnumbered and now hide under the banner of insurgency to wreak havoc where they are welcomed. A weak person is not an inherently good person as voltage thinks, they just don't have the means to cause harm. We should continue to step on their necks and show no mercy.

That gramgram dialect is also obsolete and serves no purpose other than highlighting the difference in social stratification, the notion of standardizing it is baffling to say the least. Somali abaal malaho they showed that when they rebelled against our benevolent leadership due to envy.

They are akin to the gypsies of Europe and are conduits of terror they are even lower than the jareer atleast he works for a living without harming no one, they are known for their xaasidnimo. In Cabudwaaq they are known as RRA never to be trusted.

[Voltage]

Stop having guilt over what your ancestors did. I don't apologise for shit Siad Barre did or MX. I look at it as a sense of pride.

Aar Sade never forgets his enemies, this guy is so clueless and sheltered in his Seattle ivory and doesnt know the grave threat these people pose to our very existence. They claim Gelaadi sultanate ruled Bardhere and Luugh Ganaane so they claim Gedo too. Dont forget these are the very same people who stuck nails(masaabiir) into the heads of fleeing Marehan civilians during the height of the civil war. There savagery is not limited too barbarity, nay, but they also use AS as a guise to take revenge on their tribal enemies.

A good example would be the raging clan war right now in Wanlaweyn between Shanta Caleemood and Gaaljaceyl where the latter is using AS as a bulkwark to wipe out the former. They are employing these tactics in Gedo also, the qarax recently carried out in Beledxaawo is a prime example.

Gedo is part and parcel of Rahaweyn culture and history. Large percentage of Gedo population speaks Af Maay. Luuq and Baardhere have higher percentage of Maay speakers, especially the farming community in rural areas.

In our culture, we believe in coexistence. We believe in work ethics. Zero sum games are what cause made Somalia a failed state ruled by so called international community.

Understanding is a two street Aw-Bakeyle. What feeds the status quo, and in particular the militaristic hardline that Marehan responds with to this issue, is explained by Grandpa's use of the word "existence."

Now one can think that's rather dramatic as Marehan is in no position to fear for his existence especially relative to any other Somali group. If Somalis are clans divided into sub-clans, Marehan is one of the bigger or "big" sub-clans by any standard of definition. Not only that, but Marehan are one of a very few number of sub-clans with settlements of prominence in multiple regions of the Somali territories. For example, national government and being President aside, this is why Marehan are right now also vice President of 2 of the federal states (Galmudug & Jubbaland). It is also why Marehan is the sub-clan with membership/seats in the greatest number of regional parliaments (Jubbaland, Galmudug, Southwest, and Puntland).

I list both the extent and the diversity of those equities held by Marehan at this very moment----to make a juxtaposition with Grandpa's use of the word "existence." Even if a sudden natural disaster happened and tore south west Somalia from the face of the earth, Marehan will live and escape extinction better than any other sub-clan in Southwest Somalia---due to their numbers in central Somalia for example.

Using "existence" is irrational. It is illogical. It is in fact even possibly clinically paranoid. But Grandpa is only using it because that's the standard Marehan position.

Hidden in your innocent post (and I believe that it was infact innocently expressed opinion) is what feeds that historically militaristic Marehan hardline---namely the imposition of Otherization. I have even realized underpining it is an insecurity Marehan have in relation to "singular" me vs "them." 1

Marehan is the only clan in Southwest Somalia that is barred from Maay membership.

It is very interesting how this manifests itself. In every single description of these issues, Reewin insecurity frames the narrative. So the identification of Marehan as "nomadic Samaale of the Darod variety, pastoralist from the north" is already an informed ethnographic biography.

What is being "informed" are these assumptions;

1. Nomadic is to socio-cultural tyranny what Farmer is to social-cultural disadvantaged
2. Samaale is to metaphysical empowerment what Sab is to material disenfrenchisement
3. Darod variety/pastoralist from north is to colonial transplantation what Reewin/sedentary is to indigenous uprootment

I am not contesting or making a judgement about these informed assumptions as a GENERAL matter, I absolutely believe they are an important feature in SITUATING the history in a way that both respects and responds to Reewin grievance vis-a-vis in relation to sharing a country with Maxaa-Tiri political monopolization.

But Marehan is ONE SUB-CLAN. They are not all of Samaale nor all of the nomads neither all of Darod or pastoralists.

Marehan is limited in that scope. It is particularly limited numerically and expansion relative to Reewin/Maay because the rules governing membership are at the base opposite to each other, i.e. membership by blood vs. membership by soil.

I have heard an old Marehan source say "when I was a little girl that clan was different to that clan to that, today they are all under Digil and Mirifle" with the implication Maay/Digil &Mirifle/Reewin, at least in Gedo, is a "Club" whose membership is predicated at the "expense"of Marehan.

This is why nothing ends the conversation faster then or immediately makes Marehan more unreasonable than what you just did unwittingly---which is try to otherize and diminish their equity, as they feel, through an appeal to Club membership which they--rightfully or wrongfully, identify as having been historically predicated on anyone but Marehan in that particular geography.

Somalia more than anything else needs people with hostage negotiating skills.

Even small inflections and tone and pitch are triggers let alone actual words, meanings, and phrasing.

Wallahi we are a broken society and I don't even think we have even understood or internalized this at rate required to really begin healing.

[Voltage]

Stop having guilt over what your ancestors did. I don't apologise for shit Siad Barre did or MX. I look at it as a sense of pride.

I have 0 guilt. I have killed no one and hurt no one.

What I have is a vision of the type of society in which I want to live and I want that same vision for every other human, not even just Somali, Marehan or even Muslim or whatever.

For every single human child my friend. Every single one and I have internalized this as my central principle.

[Voltage]

As a note for the record and in response to the obnoxious bigotry being displayed;

If this is what I once wrote to some concerning their vews within Marehan, I shall think I would not be surprised by anything some say about any other people.

I just honestly don't feel this guy is Marehan. He is only there to passive aggressively use the Marehan name for hate.

You are a SINGULAR anomaly among us for as long as I can remember.

1. Almost NONE of us subscribe to the injustice our ancestors committed against Hawlraarsame.

Except for you.

2. No reer Diini here has tried to perpetuate the reer Diini vs. non-Reer Diini divide that was a major cause of the MX civil war. For as long as I can remember starting from Xoogsade, all the people who have claimed reer Diini have admitted one way or another the guilt of our parents.

Except for you.

3. Except for Saddam who only has done it as an informational form of comparison, no one here has ever perpetuated the reer Gedo/Guri vs. Reer Mudug/Galti divide that was another major cause of the civil war.

Except for you.

4. For example, I have said time and time again, my chosen hometown is Beled-Xaawo. Beled-Xaawo is where I will build a house inshallah if I get to building one in Somalia. Beled-Xaawo is not "deegaan" to reer Siyaad nor reer Diini, neither even reer Faarax Ugas for that matter. I cannot even IMAGINE someone telling me Beled-Xaawo UNUKAA LEH, orad Garbahaaray ka dhiso halkaas bay reer Siyaad degaan.

No one here has ever even gotten close to even thinking about such a farfetched and un-Mareexaan like dhaqan like UNUKAA LEH.

Except for you.





Etc etc etc

I mean you are really such a unique and extreme anomaly among us full of negativity, division, juffo juffaysi, and unbridled CUQDAD

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=398672

[gobdoon]

Come on we are all Somali and let us put wadaniyad above anything or else we are doomed and would not last long in modern world, it's sad some people who live in the west are fueling disunity and Anaga iyo Iyaga, you would expect they would learn something from their host country
I know in Somalia general public is assimilating every where are tired of qabiil wars and are putting Somalinimo iyo muslimnimo first
All and all we need justice, equality and respect for all and above all unity and respect dhulka hooyo iyo dadkisa