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Our own ethnostate

You know me Saddam; I hate reactionary language and/or politics so definitely no to the concept of ethnostate and everything connected to.

Also at no time where Marehan ever living alone. There were always Somali groups living beside us and some even amongst our midst that we had given aid and shelter though. Just in the last 100 years there have been Majeerteen/Wabeeneeye, Dir/Fiqi Muxumud, Layl Kase, Habar Gidir, Sheekhaal, Murule, Degoodi, Garre, Raxanweyn, Somali Bantu, Madhibaan that are documented having lived amongst our midst as groups.

However, the history is quite clear about "Carro Mareexaan" or Marehan Country or MYRRHANLAND

You know me Saddam; I hate reactionary language and/or politics so definitely no to the concept of ethnostate and everything connected to.

Also at no time where Marehan ever living alone. There were always Somali groups living beside us and some even amongst our midst that we had given aid and shelter though. Just in the last 100 years there have been Majeerteen/Wabeeneeye, Dir/Fiqi Muxumud, Layl Kase, Habar Gidir, Sheekhaal, Murule, Degoodi, Garre, Raxanweyn, Somali Bantu, Madhibaan that are documented having lived amongst our midst as groups.

However, the history is quite clear about "Carro Mareexaan" or Marehan Country or MYRRHANLAND

Well it said MYRRHANLAND. Only one clan sxb. How’s that reactionary you bayeste. I see other clans on the map no doubt I’m having fun allow it

That quoted map is a beauty, you can tell it was way before maps were printed. It has that medieval HAND DRAWN/SEWN look.

That quoted map is a beauty, you can tell it was way before maps were printed. It has that medieval HAND DRAWN/SEWN look.

You know the next question don’t ignore it now. What’s the story behind it?

I don't know to be honest. Thank you for bringing up a great research question.

You know me Saddam; I hate reactionary language and/or politics so definitely no to the concept of ethnostate and everything connected to.

Also at no time where Marehan ever living alone. There were always Somali groups living beside us and some even amongst our midst that we had given aid and shelter though. Just in the last 100 years there have been Majeerteen/Wabeeneeye, Dir/Fiqi Muxumud, Layl Kase, Habar Gidir, Sheekhaal, Murule, Degoodi, Garre, Raxanweyn, Somali Bantu, Madhibaan that are documented having lived amongst our midst as groups.

However, the history is quite clear about "Carro Mareexaan" or Marehan Country or MYRRHANLAND

Well it said MYRRHANLAND. Only one clan sxb. How’s that reactionary you bayeste. I see other clans on the map no doubt I’m having fun allow it

I can't believe this,how did we control our worst rivals habar gidir and all these clans all to be pushed back t geladi. Either this is ximan, our birth lands or this is an empire/sultanate, and they say the sultanate of hobyo was great

Congrats on getting excited in seeing MX on old maps.

Congrats on getting excited in seeing MX on old maps.

Thank you.

The Cool, or maybe Marehan had a civil war and splintered off.

Bro is this a sultanate?

Bro is this a sultanate?

Anyone who tells you Somalis had a "Sultanate" is lying to you.

There were no Sultanates among Somalis until the arrival of British colonialism who fanned the naming of "Sultanates" for every traditional Muslim leadership they came across as an anti-Ottoman strategy.

This is because all throughout the middle ages there was only ONE Sultan and it was he who sat in Constantinople (Istanbul) and held the keys of Mecca and Medina.

Everyone else was an Emir or a Wali (Governor).

Emir is like a Prince and an Emirate a Principality.

This is why even HARAR was an Emirate and the leadership of Harar like EMIR NUR IBN MUJAHID were titled Emir not Sultan.

Only the Ottoman ruler who sat in Constantinople and held the keys of Mecca and Medina was Sultan remember.

Ever notice today in the Gulf, ONLY the Saudi leader who sits in Riyadh and holds the keys of Mecca and Medina is MALIK (King).

Every other royal territory in the Gulf is an Emirate. Thr Emir of Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait, and until recently the Emir of Bahrain (with Saudi permission it was declared a Kingdom so the Sunni Emir can have greater power over the Shia, Iran inclined majority who are anti-Saudi).

So there were no Somali Sultanates until the 1800's when European colonialism rebranded traditional Somali tribal chiefs in their early spheres of control.

There was only an Emir who was in Harar.

What this looks like is the MAREHAN ABOGASOCH (Marehan Ugaasate / Ugaasnimo).

Ugaas comes from ABEGAZ, the official Harari term for a Warden or Grand-Duke in charge of a very important province or borderlands.


This is similar to another huge misunderstanding which concerns tribal leader nomenclature. Nobody understands UGAAS is the oldest and most historical Somali title in continuous existence. They think it is equal to all other traditional titles.

Do you notice ALL the groups farthest west or important to Harar and Adal historically and today have UGAAS as a leader? Mareexaan, Geri Koombe, Gurguure, Bartirre, even Gudabiirsi, Ciise Madoobe, etc etc etc. They all have UGAAS as their leader---THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE.

Only the leader of Adal was EMIR and the clans had an Abogasoch with 1 Abogaz for the most important groups (basically a "Warden" like Game of Thrones) who makes decisions at the council table with the Emir of Harar. And after the separation between Adal and Harar when Adal moved to Aussa defeated in Harar by the Ali Dauud dynasty which became the new EMIRATE (recognizing the Sultan in Istanbul) they still kept the old Abogasoch system for the clans.

There was no clan "Sultan", and even more no existence of the real borrowed Oromo title of "Boqor" until the 1800's when European colonialism entered the land and the Abbysinians given guns started weakening and ultimately destroying Harar.

So the fact of even having SULTAN and BOQOR is itself indicative of what we urban Americans call "new money." It means "nice car, but it sure isn't a classic"

In the Ethiopan Imperial Title record, Abagaz is still recognized as one of the most prestigious imperial titles bestowed by the Monarch.

Remember that Harari is an Ethio-Semitic language and the system in the Emirate borrowed well from the long developed Abyssinian systems.

Abagaz

A ruler of a district or region.

https://www.ethiopiancrown.org/traditional.htm

Abagaz = Ugaas

Goyta = [Sareeye] Guuto