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i welcome debate with you but not hearsaying and bias you must back your argument with figures and numbers. First wrong you committed is saying buundoweyn maaha qoraxsin it's because you call yourself qoraxsin so you see it as "bari" because its settled by hawadle with few jareers in its southern farms..these jareer villages are all annexed by hawadle NGOs since the 90s like iskaashatada and they are all in the west south of buundoweyn like garmbarlaawe, shabeelow, quracleey parallel to luuqjelow. Gaaljecel live in laanta Heegan howlwadaag-burjada ceynte-luuqjeelow wich are all banaanka not the river banks. Hawadle live parallel to them in the river banks with jareerta the real border. Very clear?Sxb west of hiiraan is majority gaaljecel no doubt about it. jijeele live 10 kms west of the Ethiopian Border and there biggest town is in bakool. The only reason why we have problems with jijeele is because they are being helped by the Ethiopian army. But the whole jijeele qabiil is less than abtisame laf of the gaaljecel. Xawaadle do not live west of the river in hiiraan sxb maybe near middle shabelle were they have overtaken baddicadde in there dhul.
I posted this in my regions section for information and documentation and is all about deconstructing the lies that have been spread about hiiraan. If hawadle are not majority in hiiraan how come caydiid backed with all these clans couldnt keep it for a year? How come siyaad barre lost the first Somali town to hawadle wich is buuloburde in Oct 1990? Tried to recapture it from jowhar by moorgan and failed . Hiw come only hawadle fought them in there with all their local clans and refugees? Even luuqjelow wich it's in the gaaljecel side was under hawadle attackSahal.....why do you feel the need to publicise what your clan owns.......surely the locals know each other and what they own.
I'm always suspicious of people claiming that their clan own everyrhing.
I've been told by many people that Hiiraan has 15 diffetent clans......wirh no single majority....though Hawadle are the single biggest clan in the region.
ahh so today I’m hearing the West beledweyne Has a minority of gaaljecel yaab badana. Sxb if u are from the region u would know buundoweyn is not referred to as the West by the locals that is not up for debate. I’m sure If you have been there u Would know this. Jijeele and jareer are all minortites in howlwadag but we know the Ethiopians are being armed by liyu which is why he have problems. If it was jijeele and jareer who were the majority in the west as you say, there would be nothing stoping your xawadle family from annexing howlwadag and we all know that is not the case and will never be the case as gaaljecel control that xaafad. As for buloburte it was a traditionally baadicade town with gaaljecel and xawaadle minorities but now I’m sure xawaadle have overtaken them in numbers that is known. but the whole of the West side of Hiran is dominated by gaaljecel that is not up for debate. Jijeele who live only near the Ethiopian border live in qurac joome which is not in hiiraanand share towns such as buq qowsar with us. Ceel cali buq aqable etc are 100% gaaljecel I’m sure u know. Furthermore, if you were majority in the west of Hiiraan as you are ludicrously claiming you would be in control wouldn’t you ? Anyways as the city expands west and we establish our own markets, hospitals etc and the river as a border, the city will split in two no doubt about it. Right now anyways we have more pressing issues then having to argue about whether we are the minority in our traditional land which is ridiculous . We have big problems in Kismayo, rate of people still in baadiyo etc....i welcome debate with you but not hearsaying and bias you must back your argument with figures and numbers. First wrong you committed is saying buundoweyn maaha qoraxsin it's because you call yourself qoraxsin so you see it as "bari" because its settled by hawadle with few jareers in its southern farms..these jareer villages are all annexed by hawadle NGOs since the 90s like iskaashatada and they are all in the west south of buundoweyn like garmbarlaawe, shabeelow, quracleey parallel to luuqjelow. Gaaljecel live in laanta Heegan howlwadaag-burjada ceynte-luuqjeelow wich are all banaanka not the river banks. Hawadle live parallel to them in the river banks with jareerta the real border. Very clear?Sxb west of hiiraan is majority gaaljecel no doubt about it. jijeele live 10 kms west of the Ethiopian Border and there biggest town is in bakool. The only reason why we have problems with jijeele is because they are being helped by the Ethiopian army. But the whole jijeele qabiil is less than abtisame laf of the gaaljecel. Xawaadle do not live west of the river in hiiraan sxb maybe near middle shabelle were they have overtaken baddicadde in there dhul.
Let me tell you big fact that people dont know; the border between hawadle and gugundhabe(including gaaljecel) is not the river its jareerta who r found on the west side of shabelle so hawadle settled in these jareer lands west of the river very clear? We dont steal them but we just use the land they settle and employ them in it. One if these projects is beeraha damalow wich is in YouTube they r south of buundawayn. Personally I dont like jareer but they r cool with hawadle since they r "reer qoraxin" they welcome hawadle who arms them against the gugundhabe
this includes buundoweyn, hilaac side of liiqliiqato. Smaller gugundhabe who are farmers live in the river banks like baadicade and jiidle. Baadicade was annexed by hawadle 80 years ago bc the Italians and arabs have settled their side and fii are the majority in fiidow and buurane next to the shaaw of gaaljecel...you see here we share border with gaaljecel instead of being gaaljecel and baadicade bc we have swallowed them long time ago.
The jijeele side of hawlwadaag is shared by hawadle and jareer as well. Hawadle between liiqliiqato and the market. This area is called shanta dabakaayo. Parallel to hawadle in hilaac are found jareerta in siigaalow..you can see in the map. These jareer are pro hawadle so the jijeele cannot impose in hilaac their westland crap bc we made reconciliation between them that only maamulka hiiraan can operate in there! Funny hawadle backs too the jijeele against gaaljecel!! Jareer are allied with hawadle in deefow bc these in siigaale on the west side live in the east east side from defow and kabhanley. This is why that dir site saying hawadle arming them against jijeele.
In short, If buuloburde is in qoraxsin has hawadle majority and its biggest xaafad is called indhaceel and is located on the west side where no gaaljecel street let alone xaafad, and if buundowayn is mainly hawadle, that makes hawadle the biggest orbanic population in "galbeedka hiiraan" gaaljecel dont have their own xaafad in baladweyne you got "laan" subxaafad.
Map of shanta dabakaayo area huge isn't it? I was there after the flood this is the reason why only hawadle and jareer suffer from flood bc jijeele and gaaljecel are in remote banaan area
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Hawadle side of hilaac(shanta dabakaayo)
Siigalow jareer side of hilaac
Jijeele vs jareer in hilaac
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Buundoweyne with howlwadaag in the west of the river
The reason why he feels the need is because he knows the facts on the ground and he knows how huge gaaljevel presence is in the region. 15 is an exaggeration but there are many. As you may or may not know, hiiraan is split by a river and The west is my dhul apart from areas to the extreme north west near the Ethiopian border settled by jijeele and parts of the south east which is baadicade land but they have lost out to xawaadle in buloburde there largest town. Xawaadle live east of the river with dir habar gidir rer aw xasan. the reality is that the city beledweyne is rather like galkayo in its split nature as well as the region with xawaadle dominating the east and gaaljecel dominating the western region .Sahal.....why do you feel the need to publicise what your clan owns.......surely the locals know each other and what they own.
I'm always suspicious of people claiming that their clan own everyrhing.
I've been told by many people that Hiiraan has 15 diffetent clans......wirh no single majority....though Hawadle are the single biggest clan in the region.
Sxb I’m not giving my opinion the facts are that renting ou a few jijeele homes does not mean you control that xaafad. Jijeele are armed by ur cid and Ethiopians but the reality is that numerically walahi they are not the size of the abtisame branch of gaaljecel forget dirisame, caafi etc. Howlwadag in its entirety is controlled by gaaljecel sxb with jijeele presence as well as jareer. As for expanding sxb I’m sure if u had the power, ability to do that you would be controlling the whole of beledweyne the same way you have expanded into buloburte. If you could have it would have happened along time ago when we were at our lowest. Truth is u would have taken over if it wasn’t for our numbers on the ground. This is not badicadde ur up against gaaljecel have large numbers laakin we have serious problems right now which if we don’t fix, would mean we will end up the same as badicadde. If 70% of our population is still nomads within maybe 10 years then it is khalas. Laakin that is not the case and the truth is If we occupy a third of beledweyne already, our presence will only increase not decrease as our cid becomes more settled. If not I’m sure u can see what’s happening in Kismayo which would end up repeating. But if the gaaljecel in hiiraan abandon the baadiyo lifestyle in droves which is necessary right now sxb I would suggest u look over ur shoulders sxb and make sure we don’t expand east .Mk777 I told you not to give me your opinion rather post proof. I'm posted links showing hawadle cleaning their pocket in hawlwadaag specially in hilaac. That is urur dhalinayro local to hawadle deegaans. I said hawlwadaag is divided by that jicadka/ road in the map. Dont you know how to check maps? See shanta dabakaayo and siigaaloow and suuqa on the map.
The gaaljecel side is called heegan it starts stright from liiqliiqato on the west side of the road(jidka aamin coming from the east and goes to bakool) look the map again then tell me how the gaaljecel waax is bigger the other waax shared by these three? still there is a hawadle pocket in heegan opposite of xerada lamagalaay it's called ex qubuuraha. This pocket may connect to that pocket in hilaac but at the moment gaaljecel are connected with liiqliiqato unlike of jijeele who start from suuqa. Hawadle is expanding in hawlwadaag peacefully same are mj expanding in garsoor in GLk and mudug as whole. Mj moved in the leelkase side dir and shikhaals in coast even the airport is in the south of GLK. Hawadle moved to the jijeele and jareer sides of qoraxsin and are paying business in gaaljecel next to liiqliiqato in order to create a third waax in hawlwadaag.
Here is hiiraan calling buundoweyn galbeedka. We call policeka galbeedka for both howlwadaag and buundoweyn. In fact macshaariicda qoraxsin are directed to buundoweyn in the name of qoraxsin!
No motion of howlwadaag in this galbeed war bc we free first hawadle areas.
This xaafad is under badow at night for its adjacent with al Shabaab infested howlwadaag. This link show when Shabaab were controlling both of them
Your good for acknowledging hawadle takingover in buuloburde but gaaljecel is not close to it they r closer to jalalaqsi and our border in there is jimbileey west of jalalaqsi.
"xaafadda Buundo-weyn oo ku taalla Galbeedka Baladweyne" hiiraan calls east and west predominately hawadle xaafado !
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we dont believe brotherly wars but the howlwadaag was under hawadle in 1994 after the liberation unutill gaaljecel were subjugated.xaaji quurow who cooperated with cusmsan caato was captured in burjada ceynte then this man changed gaaljecel after he reached a deal with hawadle brings his folks to the admin. He was given qandaarsyo to build admin buildings for this reason al Shabaab killed him "for cooperation maamulka hiiraan"Sxb I’m not giving my opinion the facts are that renting ou a few jijeele homes does not mean you control that xaafad. Jijeele are armed by ur cid and Ethiopians but the reality is that numerically walahi they are not the size of the abtisame branch of gaaljecel forget dirisame, caafi etc. Howlwadag in its entirety is controlled by gaaljecel sxb with jijeele presence as well as jareer. As for expanding sxb I’m sure if u had the power, ability to do that you would be controlling the whole of beledweyne the same way you have expanded into buloburte. If you could have it would have happened along time ago when we were at our lowest. Truth is u would have taken over if it wasn’t for our numbers on the ground. This is not badicadde ur up against gaaljecel have large numbers laakin we have serious problems right now which if we don’t fix, would mean we will end up the same as badicadde. If 70% of our population is still nomads within maybe 10 years then it is khalas. Laakin that is not the case and the truth is If we occupy a third of beledweyne already, our presence will only increase not decrease as our cid becomes more settled. If not I’m sure u can see what’s happening in Kismayo which would end up repeating. But if the gaaljecel in hiiraan abandon the baadiyo lifestyle in droves which is necessary right now sxb I would suggest u look over ur shoulders sxb and make sure we don’t expand east .Mk777 I told you not to give me your opinion rather post proof. I'm posted links showing hawadle cleaning their pocket in hawlwadaag specially in hilaac. That is urur dhalinayro local to hawadle deegaans. I said hawlwadaag is divided by that jicadka/ road in the map. Dont you know how to check maps? See shanta dabakaayo and siigaaloow and suuqa on the map.
The gaaljecel side is called heegan it starts stright from liiqliiqato on the west side of the road(jidka aamin coming from the east and goes to bakool) look the map again then tell me how the gaaljecel waax is bigger the other waax shared by these three? still there is a hawadle pocket in heegan opposite of xerada lamagalaay it's called ex qubuuraha. This pocket may connect to that pocket in hilaac but at the moment gaaljecel are connected with liiqliiqato unlike of jijeele who start from suuqa. Hawadle is expanding in hawlwadaag peacefully same are mj expanding in garsoor in GLk and mudug as whole. Mj moved in the leelkase side dir and shikhaals in coast even the airport is in the south of GLK. Hawadle moved to the jijeele and jareer sides of qoraxsin and are paying business in gaaljecel next to liiqliiqato in order to create a third waax in hawlwadaag.
Here is hiiraan calling buundoweyn galbeedka. We call policeka galbeedka for both howlwadaag and buundoweyn. In fact macshaariicda qoraxsin are directed to buundoweyn in the name of qoraxsin!
No motion of howlwadaag in this galbeed war bc we free first hawadle areas.
This xaafad is under badow at night for its adjacent with al Shabaab infested howlwadaag. This link show when Shabaab were controlling both of them
Your good for acknowledging hawadle takingover in buuloburde but gaaljecel is not close to it they r closer to jalalaqsi and our border in there is jimbileey west of jalalaqsi.
"xaafadda Buundo-weyn oo ku taalla Galbeedka Baladweyne" hiiraan calls east and west predominately hawadle xaafado !
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