Can anyone tell me the abtirsi of this????

[sadeboi]

X.playa, a man can have 12 sons 400 years ago and be quite small clan today. That means his offspring did not really reproduce as much. Also, you can look at the gap between the forefather and the sub-clan you claim after that.

I always look at the difference between one sub-clan and the big clan.

Like Darood and Reer-Diini
Darood-Omar Muxamoud
Darood-Reer-Abdulle/Reer-Warfaa

[James Dahl]

The leader of the Marehan in the Futuh is said to be Hirabu ibn Goita Tedros ibn Adam, not Hirabe ibn Mattan. Hirabu's brother in law, king of the Girri (Girri Koombe?), was said to be Mattan bin Utman bin Kaled.

I do not believe that Hirabe Mattan is Hirabu of the Futuh, as there is no Adam or Aadan in Hirabe Matan's entire abtiris.

It is possible that Marrehan refers to a different clan with the same name, or perhaps a lost branch that is now forgotten.

[sadeboi]

Hiirabu's father was a twin...hence mataan=twin in somali.. mataan is just a nickname.I don't know his real name..nor do we use it in our abtirsi...probably is adam...but that is the hiraabe in the book.

Ciis had
Mataan (The twin) had
Yusef, (Garaad)Ibrahim, Hiiraabe

[Faarax-Caytame]

Boon, Xirsi-Cagdheere,Nuur, Ugaas Warfaa. waa Bah-Laag Madoobe

[Teeri]

??????------------------------------------Ugaas Diini
??????------------------------------------Farax-Ugaas
???????-----------------------------------Ugaas Guleed
???????-----------------------------------Sharmarke
???????-----------------------------------Khalaf
Boon-Xersi--------------------------------Hussien
Ugaas Warfaa-----------------------------Yusef
Ugaas Xirsi--------------------------------Mataan
Ugaas Khalaf------------------------------Ciis
Hassan (Dheere)--------------------------Axmed
Yusuf (Guun)------------------------------Boqor-Maxamed
Maxaad (Roob)-----------------------------Daud
Cabdulle-----------------------------------Abadir
Muuse-------------------------------------Maxamed
Maxamed (Subeer)-------------------------Muuse
Baahale-----------------------------------Warwaajecle
Muuse------------------------------------Radimiir
Yuusuf------------------------------------Amaanreer
Tagaalwaaq (Kaante)-----------------------Isxaaq
Miyirwal-----------------------------------Gaalshiredle
Barwaaq-----------------------------------Hodanbari
Cabdiraxmaan (Ogaadeen)------------------Baalyiri
Absame-----------------------------------Awsame
Kuumade----------------------------------Marexaan
Maxamed (Kablalax)------------------------SADE
Shaykh Abd al-Rahman (Darood)------------Darood




Warfaa has to be much older then 200 years, I would say somewhere around 450 years. When I compared the Reer-warfaa lineage to the Reer-Diini of the Marexaan (the clan oo aad uu sii kala baxdey, ama laandheer ka ah Marexaan) Warfaa is 6 generations older than Diini, he is the same as Yusef Mataan, or his brother Hiiraabe Mataan, who was mentioned in futah al Habesha in mid 1500's.

BTW...is Boon-xersi the son of Cilmi-Warfaa?

Sade, i would be cautious at using such system to figure out the period of warfa or who ever, i dont thing warfa is 450s old, he is not 200years old either, going length wise, he is 300-350 at the most, i count 10 generations between me and warfa, dalal who is the grandson of warfa and hence i count 8 generations lived around year 1750s, also you have to look at the age of the father when he fathered the son, e.g. he might father his first son at 20 and his 21st son at 80 just like cheif Mohamoud Waal, so how do you take such descrepencies into acocunt? so if a man fathered his 1st son in his 20s and his 21st son in his 80s, the future lineage of each child is too much deferent and the numbers of the clans would be massively different just like hirsi dalal and wacays dalal, hirsi was 60 years older than his brother wacays and he used to carry wacays on his shoulders as a boy, hence by the time hirsi had his own granson wacays was born thus why hirsi dalal massively outnumbers wacays yet born from the same father. so just be careful at comparing two man in every generation like the merahan and ogaden in your example,

[sadeboi]

Yeah I do agree, its never accurate..so if you count 10 to him than your like a great-grandfather to me.

[SomaliGunner]

A good friend of once told me he was reer ugas khoshin but then he said he was marexan the ugaas khosin i knew was the reer abdule one...
Maybe you can tell me bout this..
Are they related by chance or they just have the same name

[ina aadan]

Reer Ugaas Warfaa
Reer Khalaf-cigale
Reer Siciid
Reer Ugaas Cilmi Ugaas Warfaa (Bah-Gaalaad)
Reer Boon Ugaas Cilmi
Reer Yuusuf Boon Cilmi
Reer Cali Boon Cilmi
Reer Nuur Boon Cilmi
Reer Magan Boon Cilmi
Reer Iimaan Boon Cilmi
Reer Maxamuud Boon Cilmi
Reer Cilmi Boon Cilmi
Reer Axmed Boon Cilmi
Reer Xirsi Ugaas Cilmi
Reer Liibaan Xirsi Cilmi
Faarax Liibaan Xirsi Cilmi
Iimaan Liibaan Xirsi Cilmi
Shirwac Liibaan Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Muxumed Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Caamir Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Axmed Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Magan Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Khalaf Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Faarax Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Cali Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Iimaan Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Warfaa Xirsi Cilmi
Reer Faarax Ugaas Cilmi
Reer Boon Faarax Cilmi
Reer Khalaf Faarax Cilmi
Reer Sharmaarke Faarax Cilmi
Reer Warfaa Faarax Cilmi
Reer Samatar Faarax Cilmi
Reer Magan Faarax Cilmi
Reer Axmed Farax Cilmi
Reer Guuleed Faarax Cilmi
Reer Warfaa-Ugaas Cilmi
Reer Wacays Ugaas Cilmi
Bihina-Nuur Ugaas Cilmi
Kooshin cilmi
Liibaan Cilmi
Reer Khalaf Ugaas Cilmi

Reer Ugaas Magan Ugaas Warfaa (Bah-Gaalaad)
Reer Dalal Ugaas Magan
Reer Xirsi Dalal magan
Reer Khalaf Xirsi dalal magan
Reer Yuusuf Xirsi Dalal magan
Reer X.Cali Xirsi Dalal Magan
Bah-Xawaadle
Reer Muxumed Xirsi Dalal Magan
Reer Axmed Xirsi Dalal Magan
Reer Nuur Xirsi Dalal Magan
Reer Cilmi Xirsi Dalal Magan
Reer Wacays Dalal Magan
Bah-Madaluug Dalal Magan
Bah-ibraahiim Dalal Magan
Reer Xuseen Dalal Magan
Reer Warfaa-Aaar Ugaas Magan(Reer-Ugaas)
Xirsi Warfaa Magan
Reer Nuur Warfaa Magan (Nuur Cubudhiye)
Reer Muxumed Warfaa Magan
Bah-Majeerteen Warfaa Magan
Baha-Magan
Reer Wacays Magan
Reer Cigale Magan
Bah-Timacase magan
Bah-Madaluug magan
Xandule magan
Bah-Laag-Madoobe

Nuur Ugaas Warfaa
Samatar Ugaas Warfaa
Reer Boon Nuur Ugaas Warfaa
Xirsi-Cagdheere Nuur Ugaas Warfaa
Reer Xeyle Samatar Ugaas Warfaa