Try and make your point without distorting facts.
1. ONLF was created as an underground organisation by former members of the WSLF, they had no support from the Somali Government nor did the Somali Government welcome them considering the Kacaan Government signed an agreement with the Ethiopians ending hostilities over the Ogaden. As for spying ONLF did not have an armed wing nor was it operational on the ground until the 90's.
2. Ogadeen refugees were largely settled in Hiiraan and Waqooyi, a minority went to the Jubba regions. Somalis facing drought from every region were resettled in the Jubba region so I don't understand this obsession with Ogadeen. As for the Jubba regions Ogadeen conquered and expanded into the Jubba regions before any Somali clan, if they were a minority the historical records would tell us so. Its free go search it up.
Written by the current leader of the WSLF, Abdi Ismail, so to tell me that the government didnt use the movement for its own purposes is actually absurd and if you reread my post, I said.. ''they may not have participated in the civil war under the name ONLF''.During the interim period, 1978–91, the liberation movement lost
its autonomy because the Somali military regime used the liberation
movement for its own purposes, as many movement leaders became
henchmen of the new order. Those who disagreed with the tactics of
the regime were forced to flee the country; the unlucky individuals
rotted in jail.
U right they just want eveything to be darood
Try and make your point without distorting facts.
1. ONLF was created as an underground organisation by former members of the WSLF, they had no support from the Somali Government nor did the Somali Government welcome them considering the Kacaan Government signed an agreement with the Ethiopians ending hostilities over the Ogaden. As for spying ONLF did not have an armed wing nor was it operational on the ground until the 90's.
2. Ogadeen refugees were largely settled in Hiiraan and Waqooyi, a minority went to the Jubba regions. Somalis facing drought from every region were resettled in the Jubba region so I don't understand this obsession with Ogadeen. As for the Jubba regions Ogadeen conquered and expanded into the Jubba regions before any Somali clan, if they were a minority the historical records would tell us so. Its free go search it up.
1. No one is distorting facts.. WSLF was created by Dir but consisted of all Somalis. Unity was the key to defeat the enemy. However after the withdrawal from western Somalia and lack of economic assistance and weapons from the regime made their situation impossible. This caused disunity. Some members left and created the ONLF, this was in 84. While the non Ogaden soldiers mostly Dir revived the WSLF because they disagreed with the name of the movement.
To say that the ONLF despite being created in 84 was inactive until the early 90's is ridiculous. They might not have participated in the civil war under the name ONLF but they were active and they were used by the Kacaan regime.
2. The area was historically conrolled by the Ajuuran and I don't think you consider Ajuuran to be Ogaden, so there's no doubt about the fact I stated in my previous post. With the dissolution of the Ajuuraan empire, the Ogaden and other Somali clans chased away the invading Oromos that had been defeated many times by the Ajuuraan. During the great drought many people were resettled in the Jubbas but most of them left after the drought. I know Isaaq families who lived in the Jubbas during the drought but then headed back to Sool because why would they occupy other peoples land when they got their own land.
Habar Magaadle Meyle;
Your next of kins the British traveled through Jubaland more than any other place and in the 1910s, here is the map they saw:
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/northeast_ ... fig01f.jpg
And I am really confused about the iidoors here. This is the Ogaden section and this thread had nothing to do with politics. What are your problems?
There are maps as far as early 1800s that show that OGs occupied Jubaland in its entirety.
Intaa ha u dhaafin. 
The Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF): the dilemma of its struggle in Ethiopia.
Author: Abdullahi, Abdi M.
This paper examines the struggle of the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) in the Somali region of Ethiopia, also known as the 'Ogaden'. Originated in 1984 but inactive until 1991, the ONLF demanded full self-determination for Somalis in the Ogaden in the 1990s. Although the ongoing conflict has a significant impact on the civilian population of the region, the absence of State benefits leaves the local people no option but to support the insurgents. A growing leadership division within the ONLF and the surrender of ONLF militias to the Ethiopian government have damaged the overall unity of the ONLF struggle. The 1999-2000 conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea had some positive effects, while the recent Ethiopian invasion of Somalia had a negative impact upon the ONLF army's struggle.
Asharq Al-Awsat] When was the ONLF founded, and what are the goals for which it is fighting?
[Osman] The ONLF was founded in 1984, but began armed action 10 years later, in 1994, after the ruling party in Ethiopia reneged on its promises to the political parties and to the peoples of Ethiopia and revoked an agreement to resolve the Ogaden issue in a peaceful way. The front's goal is to liberate this region from the Ethiopian occupation
ONLF (Ogaden National Liberation Front) was formed in 1984, at a time when the region's historic liberation front, WSLF (Western Somali Liberation Front), suffered from internal splits (see the section "Guerrilla struggle in tandem with interstate war"). Some of its founders were defectors from WSLF, and from its inception the new organization set out to distance itself from the older movement. This is evident just by contrasting the name chosen for the new group with that of the mother organization:"Ogaden Liberation Front" instead of "Western Somali Liberation Front".
While it is clear that the group was formed in August 1984 - some say in Mogadishu and others claim in the Gulf - it was not until in March 1986 that a public announcement of its existence was made. In this initial statement, ONLF chairman Sheikh Ibrahim Abdulah defined the Ogaden as "an op-pressed nation colonised by Ethiopia", and pledged to establish' an independent Ogaden state with full sovereignty in line with the aspirations of its people.
During the first years after its formation, ONLF did not have any significant military capacity. In fact, while some sources talk vaguely of the group gaining a foothold in the Ogaden region in the late 1980s, there are no reports of it actually challenging the Addis Ababa regime militarily.
ONLF celebrated its 26th anniversary about three months ago. Created by WSLF’s youth party, the organization spent its life in exile until 1991 which marked the fall of the Dargue and the rise to power of the TPLF/EPRDF in Ethiopia
By 1989 the WSLF had ceased to be an effective guerrilla organization within Ethiopia. Siad Barre's decision to restrict the WSLF led to the formation of a WSLF splinter group, the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF), whose headquarters were in Kuwait. Elements of the ONLF slipped back into the Ogaden in 1988 but failed to generate a significant military capability
Nonetheless, the Somali Ethiopian population supported the
war despite the stranglehold. Somali successes were temporary once
the Soviet, Cuban, and Yemeni contingents intervened and helped
Ethiopian troops beat the Somali army. This defeat was catastrophic for
Somalia and the liberation movement. In Somalia an armed political
power struggle among the elite ensued, culminating in the state’s collapse
and in the country’s disintegration in 1991
Although Somalis contributed
significantly to the weakening of the Mengistu regime, the liberation
movement was politically and militarily a spent force in 1991
In the absence of an authentic liberation
movement representing the Somali community, the EPRDF sent for
the remnants of the WSLF, languishing in Mogadishu
Ethiopia,the last two frontiers
John Markakis
As a result,the new organization(ONLF) has scarcely a presence on the ground within Ethiopia when the political horizon widened dramatically in 1991.
Abdi Ismail Samatar(famous somali writer) answered me these questions several years ago
Thank you for your interest in the matter. Here are the answers toto your questions:
1. The war of 1977/8 was a defeat for Somalia.
2. The Somali military dictatorship did not allow WSLF to workautonomously and therefor made it very dependent on the regime. Once the regime collapse, WSLF did not the leadership and the resurces to keep going
"The Somali government and people supported both the Tigray People'slLiberation Front (Meles Zenawi's group) and Eritrean LiberationFront. BY militarily and diplomatically supporting these and bykeeping the pressure on Addis Ababa on the Somali front, the militaryregime in Ethiopia was spread too thin to handle the multitude ofinternational liberation movement. This way the military regime wasweakened. The Somali government unfortunately weakened Western SomaliLiberation Front by not allowing it the kind of autonomy TPLF and ELF had. When the time of reckoning came in Ethiopia, WSLF was weak and insignificant.
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