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Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby Osman-NZ » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:43 am

Dear all My Makhir brothers.

I urge u to support puntland which i know most of warsangeli do, however their are sections who are just interested in their own glory and want to think they can survive in the wild africa by themselves. We must stay united for the sake of our survival. We are brothers and blood is thicker then anything.

Lets work together and correct the wrongs that has occurred in the past and make our region a better place for our ppl. Nin walbo sharaf gurigis ayuu ku lee yahay, And Puntland is warsangeli land and it tears me apart to see them distance themselves from the very same thing they founded. It was warsangeli elders who came to garowe and united the harti because they didn't like sland seccessionist claims. Now today section of them are talking about makhir republic nonsense.

War meeshan noone will win...if puntland divides, mj will be eaten alive by hawiye islamist...and the remaining harti will be destroyed by isaaq and snm regime. They have never liked u no matter how much u try to think otherwise. It's in our interest to stay close to one another in these tough times for the sake of our ppl's.

We are surrounded by enemy clans...if we have united front noone can touch us. If we divide that barrier they will find ways in. In 2003 when Puntland attacked sland...sland sent everything they had to puntland and we defeated them quite quickly and took sool and sanag and parts of togdheer. They only managed to defeat puntland because abdullahi had some unfinished business with the hawiye for 91 and puntland took its guard down in that area and it's resources were focused in hamar. SNM thugs only can defeat us when we are half manned not when we are fully manned.

When we are fully-manned and they are fully manned we all sent ther results of 2003. If u think they weren't fully manned and brought everything they had, u can read yourself that u.n security report regarding sland bringing everything it could to puntland but we still defeated them. Read below
http://www.un-somalia.org/docs/N0524088_s_2005_89.pdf

That will prove that when puntland is united and one ppl that we can never be defeated. But when we start separating and focusing our attention on hamar the snm can defeat us. So we are untouchable if we are united and it is in our best interest.

Lastly Puntland has won the support of e.u, america in development and security areas and foreign policy also. Today Puntland is the friend and allies of the world. The Puntland administration has also begun ties with nato in intelligence sharing and other areas.

Any past wrongs that occurred in the past, occured and we can not change that. Cade muse did some bad things in relation to some of our brothers, but the puntland community spoke and didn't elect him and he stepped down without a fight, because this is our culture.

We have future oil sector developing, where 3 multi-national companies have invested $100 million so far in oil exploration, taipan financial news experts have said the prospects of puntland oil is comparable to yemen and saudi arabia because it shared the same landscape. Range resources is now foccusing on the off-shore oil which seismic studies have begun already and has proven to show that puntland seafloor shares similar topography of gulf of mexico. We all know how much oil gulf of mexico produces. ALOT.

Farole has been doing security crack downs over puntland and arresting dozens of pirates, thugs, etc. Retaking puntland back into the right image it is. It is stopping the human trafficking by starting workshops for the idps and providing welfare services for them.

The roads are recieving huge upgrades and safety signs and other measures are starting in the regions. Farole also won project from Fai International where two regional airports are being built, a bossaso to erigavo highway, and feeder roads into remote regions of bari and sanaag. FAI international was previous company before the war who was to do work in puntland before the civil war. Now that italy has started former diplomatic ties, farole taken advantage of it and asked prime minister of the tfg to speak to fai international regarding starting those back up.

Lootah firm invested $45 million under cade muse rule into the airport and port to make them the most modern and advanced in the horn. The airport will have 3.4 km tarmac, terminal, duty free shops, aero facilities so night time flights can occur, taxi rank, and other logistics. They also turning bossaso port into the size of djibouti and setting up port facility and free trade zone in modern port headquarter.

Now i know u might say why isnt bosasso airport finished. Well the reason is because farole has put on hold all projects under cade muse for reviews. But they are not stopped forever, but just under review. The agreement that was signed, was signed and must continue regardless how many reviews farole wants to do. U can verify that here
http://www.ameinfo.com/176786.html

Lastly Puntland 5 year development plan policy from the period of 2007-2013 is to massively reform many areas, like good governance, multi party democracy, anti corruption commissioners, and health and education advancements.

We are setting up for the future. Puntland has the most strategic location in east africa because we sit on the gates of the gulf of aden and indian ocean. If any ship coming from the indian ocean wants to enter the gulf of aden they must pass by puntland and yemen ports first. That is what makes our region so strategic because 122 000 thousands ships pass by our shores making it the biggest shipping lane in the world. And we are the gate openers of the gulf aden because we sit on the rich side of the indian ocean where all ships from europe,asia, america come from using indian ocean and passing puntland and yemen port first.

Noone else in africa has this strategic monopoly. Except egypt because they sit on the gate of the mediterreanean and are the first port on the gulf of aden for any ship coming from the mediterrenean. But all the states that sit on the gulf of aden like djibouti, sland, saudi, etc. They don't possess that strategic location because they are not gate openers of the passage way. If any ship wants to sail thru gulf of aden they must first get past us because we the gate openers. If they dont get past us, they cant enter the gulf of aden. Where-as the regions that sit in the middle they dont have that location of opening the gates for ships like we do.

That is why Puntland strategic location is unmatched. Strategic location that can be used to get further funds from the international community and foreign investments. Oil in our sea and land. Livestock trade that is bustling and we do have the most livestocks out of all somalis. I have verified that on the food agencies website. Plus our fishery sector which can be used to sell to the international community.

Inshallah in the future we can use the revenues from our oil and support from the e.u and the white house to further create other sectors like tourism of our coast and financial capital city of the horn in bossaso. Bossaso is the only city with the most $$$, no other regions does as much business as that place. That is solid fact.

Marka can u please stop dividing puntland we both need each other for the sakes of our ppl advancement. The past wrongs that were done, have been done and the person who done them has been removed and his name has been stained forever. Puntland fixed that issue of mj's ruling by installing multi-party democracy so tribe doesn't become relevant but policies become relevant. Everyone will vote for the man who has the best policy for the region.

Makhir political party already started in Bossaso and celebrations were held and everyone from nugal, bari, mudug, sanaag were there to celebrate with them.

Anyways my final point is. Don't give up on Puntland, we are the only true hope where we can show real world evidence of ppl investing in our region, our leaders doing something for the region and the world supports us also as far as the e.u and america is concerned.

So get behind puntland, fuck qabil shit...where ur qabil hat outside of your home...i dont bring qabil inside my home to my family...but when i go outside i wear my qabil hat and meet other somalis. I suggest the same occurs for our warsangeli brothers. Noone wins by separation. Puntland will lose, Warsangeli will lose...noone wins at the end of the day. The best solution is cooperation. Where else do u see military general like cade muse stand down from power without a fight when he was elected out. U dont see that anywhere. Look at rayale 4 times already postponed the elections, bribed the guurti, and all sorts of mess.

Cade muse might of been a military minded man but he knew that the culture of bari is to respect the voice of the ppl. He step down without a fight and educated person was elected. We got sick of military leader. That is probably why ilkajir lost, not because he is not mj but because we dont want to see two miltary leaders after another. We want educated ppl for a change, which no somalis have ever had.

So support puntland and stop this "makhir mentality" that u will succeed on ur own, noone can succeed on their own in this globalized world we all must cooperate.

Tudos and that is my comments from a genuine person who cares for ppl of puntland be it warsangeli, dhulos, mj, or any-one else in the region.

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Re: Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby oldenglish » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:58 am

Get the fuck out of here, Maakhir surviving in the Wild Africa. We speak 3 languages and had a growing Sultanate the Majarteen confederacy was born in the 1800 Puntland, Somalia and Somalians are all wild africans who stood in our way and we've defeated all that have.


Somali speakers, Arab speakers and Afar speakers uniting under one is our priority not Somalia or its confederate clans. Your little weak Puntland can be toppled by one sub sub subclan of Warsangeli its amusing to see the weak talk like this.

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Re: Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby Osman-NZ » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:24 am

oldenglish i am really doubting ur warsangeli now. Because u r about to even diss darod. See bro ur now proving ur idor undercover. Anyways any real warsangelis whom i know the way they act please respond..

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Re: Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby oldenglish » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:15 am

Osman-NZ wrote:oldenglish i am really doubting ur warsangeli now. Because u r about to even diss darod. See bro ur now proving ur idor undercover. Anyways any real warsangelis whom i know the way they act please respond..



I am a nationalist.

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Re: Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby Osman-NZ » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:32 pm

Puntland Makhir is 1 goal 1 dream...Enuff Said...and bosasso is going to be our next hamar in the north-east...Like hawiye divided up hamar into murusades, habar gedirs, abgals, and so forth...Bossaso will not be the same disaster...1 city for 1 ppl...no wars, cooperation and advancement...2009 wa the "horumar" year..

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Re: Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby Osman-NZ » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:38 pm

We had our ssdf and al itihaad wars in the early 90s, clan elder settled it...hamar is having the same thing with shabab and they should ask Puntland for advice because we been thru this with al itihaad in the early 90s...it was the most dangerous times of puntland..but we reached agreement and never has there been further conflicts...they were given the port..and they were happy..

Same thing with galkacyo clan elder settled that and it's been all good...i don't know realize why they dont use their clan elders in hamar..i know they are there but the clan elders are really effective in puntland whenever frictions began...

Anyways the point is bosasso is not going to become another hamar, hell to the fock no...we don't want trouble no more we want advancement...we are already worried as it is about south galkacyo take over by ahlul sunnah and what that means to the 93 ceasefire in place in that town the last puntland needs is friction within puntland...

Get ur act toghether son...

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Re: Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby Ahmed-Gurey » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:24 pm

Osmano, don't worry about oldenglish. He is definartely an Iidoor undercover.

I agree with most of ur posts.

Maakhir is a unionist centered political platform that the Moorasaante jealously guard because as we all know locals know better on matters of importance to them.

Another idea for Maakhir I think is that it can attend to the needs of the masses and sway the International Community that this region-state has distinct historical and political ties with the state of Puntland and therefore the secessionists will be ill-advised against the widely circulated bogus claim of Majirtiniya encroaching on the former borders of British Somaliland. Hell with that silly mantra.

All in all, we are Puntlanders as well as Maakhirians the same way as Iranians are both Persian and Muslims. One is pride for the state and its citizens and the other is Universal Brotherhood.

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Postby Osman-NZ » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:10 pm

Ahmed gurey...i know warsangeli ppl...and oldenglish just sounds odd..he is about to insult his own ancestor..so that just shows he definitely can not be warsangeli. But yeah the seccessionist have been shut down sxb...washington ayaa lagu kharbashey, they made huge political move that will effect for very long time to come. Donald payne was chosen to hear each testimonies regarding somalia so he can table a foreign policy to the congress whom all congress and obama administration hold highly especially when it comes to africa because he is the specialist of african foreign policy. That is why they selected him to hear the cases because they respect his verdict and his verdict on sland we all know "they will be isolated more".

Infact you can read it from their own ina adeer tfg foreign minister who sent the bad news to sland...the united nation has cut ties with them and said they won't work in a state that doesn't acknowledge sheikh sharif as the president. u can read that below
http://www.riinji.com/full.php?id=5034

The united nation already declaring it will not have anything to do with sland untill it joins the federal framework. Washington is finished for them also. The E.U support for puntland was gained by the mayor of bossaso the other day in securiity development and america also promised to support puntland in everything it needs and america supports the "federal framework" of the tfg.

Marka that is good news for us because now ethiopia will realize that if they hurt puntland, they have the american government to answer to, and the ethiopians will definitely now behave themselves.

As far as the seccessionists are concerned...sxb no separations has been decided upon colonial borders...look at greater palestine which included israel, syria, jordan, and lebanon as one land. Did the british keep it as one land? of course not they separate the lands based on religions. Syria became muslim, Jordan because muslim, Lebanon Christian and Israel Jewish.

This is idea of having colonial borders decide where ur home is totally unworkable because that would mean syria, palestine, jordan, and israel must all return to its original greater palestine borders...can u imagine anyone saying such thing? of course not because borders are not decided by these elements.

Eritrea they were given indepedence because of their majority muslim population which was distinct from the government of addis ababa that was christian. East-Timor was given indepedence because it was christian majority and distinct from the indonesian muslim government. Kosovo same thing they were given indepedence because they were muslims and distinct from the yugoslava christian government. Same goes or bosnia or any modern separations that occur today.

It makes me wonder if the snm enclave a really serious about separation because if they were how can they use this argument like it will work? colonial borders expired, separations don't occur based on colonial borders. But based on political idealogy, ethnicity, or religion. Those are elements that gives u a chance of becoming separate.

Anyways i guess they haven't figured it out yet after 17 years, riyo dheer bey ku jiran the poor ppl. But i honestly don't think they want separation because if they did they would use something that is valid and not be so easily debunked and thrown in the bin if tested in the court of law. I think they just want to stand-out is my opinion and say "look at me im important" so they can gain a big slice of the power-sharing cake. 8-)

But they will not hold ppl hostage, that is why the washington meeting set us up to tell the hargeisa ppl either u join the federal government which is supported by the west or be seen as rebels like shabab and anti-peace..that is the corner that dr farole inshallah will put them in. He already set up the game plan, the only thing waiting is for hamar to settle down..so hargeisa can be told nicely "either join the federal system or be seen as an enemy of the tfg supported government and be punished by the world like afghanistan taliban were"...

So these guys are really going to be sorted out in the future. So i wouldn't be all that concerned with them.

Puntland is the only thing that will make us survive sxb...u need to think...majority of darod population lives outside of somalia and in ethiopia...9.2 million ogadens are in ogadenia....sure other tribes live there but the ogaden are majority..now the remaining darod within somalia is 2 milllion..we are not majority inside somalia, hawiye is..but when u take into consideration ogadenia then we 5 times bigger then hawiye and 10 times bigger then isaaq. But ogadenia is not in somalia.

So the problem is,..worst-case scenario...lets say sland is given indepedence (for argument sake)...and warsans and dhulos join somaliland...they will be minority among a river of isaaqs and we all know in african countries how minorities are dealt with. Mj will be minority in hawiye government and we will become their lap-dogs and if not they will attack with ease and finish us and marehan for that matter.

All darod will lose in this sort of scenario and thats why dr farole says "puntland wa muhim" we must keep it strong or wale we will regret it when we are second class citizens in sland and somalia...hawiye will dominate marehan and mj....isaaq will dominate warsans n dhulos...why u think snm and usc worked so well together, they had this all planned out and it was mutual interest for hawiye to dominate mj and marehan who would fall within the italy somaliland border..and warsans and dhulos snm would take care of...

Marka Puntland was formed to stop this from happening...because we all will lose..no joke..no darod will leave a winner in this scenario..not mj, no warsans, not dhulos, not marehan.

So it is in our interest to keep puntland strong so we can keep somalia on the path of federalism. So the darod clans within somalia can not be pushed around by hawiye or isaaq because we will be able to contend with them. So when i see this idor under-cover kid oldenglish thinking about makhir this and that he really dont know what he is getting himself into. The disaster to come from puntland falling, would mean...

1.ogaden wud be occupied by habash
2. mj n marehan owned by hawiye
3. warsan n dhulos owned by isaaq

This is the inferno laga ordeyo ina adeer. Because with unity we stand strong chance of being influential once divided ppl can treat us however they see fit and maybe who knows gross genocides.

But oldenglish i doubt he ever was warsan...because wa totally childish...Ahmed gurey marka a strong puntland means our very survival..or the other option is our doom..and like i said noone within darod will walk out winner if puntland collapses.

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Re: Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby Ahmed-Gurey » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:17 am

Cusmano, Your Points, calm and intelligent, are well understood. Surprisingly, I was explaining your illustrated worst case scenerio of Somalia to an MJ guy who thought that having Puntland on his side and largely under his clan's influence would be enough to weather the storm and still play a major role in future Somalia government. Irrespective of Warsans and Dhullos, he said he was convinced of Puntland's political weight and the royalty of Mjs in Somalia. I laughed hard but was too lenient with time to go into a long detail on the history of the legal merger of the two regions: British and Italian Somalilands and how the two colonies have carved out Somali territories for their own narrow interest of exploitation and the best method to achieving it was to marganilize the most formidable tribe in their path.

However, the main justification for the failure of secessionism is neither ethnic nor cultural but political and moral. Political because Somalia as a state has been legally suspended by the UN since 1991. Therefore, no region can ever unilaterally secede while the country is in conflict. And not all the tribes that signed Protection treaties are united under this goal. The UN is aware of this internal power struggle amonst the Isaaq and the Northern Harti clans that make up the former protectorate. For instance, during the legal process of Somaliland Government in the late 50s, there were two major parties, representing both groups in fair terms. Now, it's all different. Somaliland today is defined by Isaaq and all the three legal parties in Hargeisa represent the sub-clans of Isaaq. It's fact and the UN is aware of it.

When it comes to Puntland, the formation of Maakhir will not weaken PL if not strengthen its position. Please understand that SL has been very successful in getting this message across, that PL stands for the North eastern regions, which then stand for its former name aka Majirtinya. UN developmental and relief aid is distributed based on this regional boundaries because the claim of SL has never been countered collectively. When Warsans and Dhullos present their counter claim and point to how they are connected to PL, officials in Garoowe contradict the position of Warsans and Dhullos and then set conditions that the 40% of Somalia's aid, which is given to Somaliland, be reduced and the remainder transferred to PL. But the 40% is not given to SL's officials. The aid system is decentralized. For instance, Horn Relief and Development which has a mandate over the region of Sanaag gets its percentage share out of this 40%. Its budget is approximately $15M a year. Throughout Somalia, transperant NGOs with a good track record of service are recognized and awarded by the international community. Without Government, the UN won't trust its money on self-appointed politicians of questionable characters and tainted backgrounds.

The TFG is however different and gets assisstance out of diplomatic gesture and security enhancement. When Yuusuf was in power, the transitional government had gotten special assistance for development. Every region was given its share and the region of Sanaag had to get it through Garoowe. Special funds were assigned for the port of LaasQoray. Ade muuse squandered all of that not because his state's needs were too overwhelming but he saw the reconstruction as meaningless and redundant as he explained. It was however something else.

All in all, Somali people are one and the same yet tribal in action and thought. But every region needs autonomous status so that when you need to have fair representation, you know who to Elect and hold accountable, and what projects you need to undertake in the future.

The Maakhir people are now giving a chance to Ilka-jiir and see if the current PL admin can unite the people by reforming the lopsided electoral system. He is not only military general as you put it, but also a CPA and a graduate from NY State University. He is more qualified and has lots of experiences that spans decades.

God Bless Puntland and Maakhir.

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Postby Osman-NZ » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:30 am

Yes as for that guy thinking mj is well-respected by hawiye, he is either very stupid or just joking. As for elections thru clan-elders those days are finished. It won't be done like that in 2013. Sland is in inferno infact their own president said that they are 2 steps away from civil war due to the borama issue, becuz rayale is setting up a security issue so he can extend his mandate again which will cause a civil war. You can read about that below.
http://somalilandpress.com/7174/somaliland-if-the-bardaale-hostility-not-distinguished-within-the-next-24-hrs-we-are-two-steps-away-from-anarchy/

As for makhir noone is truly against that but u must also remember do u see isaaq separating into habar jeclo kingdom, habar awal kingdom, habar yonis state.
Puntland under cade muse many ppl suffered not just warsan and dhulos, he only cared about himself. Notice how many ppl suffer under Rayale, but he is not leaving no matter what. Cade as bad as he was knows to respect the wishes of the clan-elders. He stepped down without arguing or fighting.

Farole said in his election promise that he will get sool back. So far he has done alot of his election promises, lets see if he fullfills that. The multi-party thing is really to solve that issue of being elected on tribes, so what tribe u r won't matter, what will matter is what your policy is.

Makhir dissolved is what i read and joined puntland to follow ilkajir? is that true?

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Re: Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

Postby Ahmed-Gurey » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:19 pm

Yeah bro, Maakhir has been dissolved by Ilka-Jirr but it can be reinstated anytime.

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Postby Osman-NZ » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:33 pm

Gurey...Puntland new admins has spoken for the very first time regarding sool. They said "they won't give up on ssc and will bring it back to puntland by any means necessary"...and i trust farole he is a man of his word so far and keepin all his promises he made he will do regarding puntland.

U can read the official press conference here
http://www.puntlandpost.com/newspage.php?articleid=7934

I read somewhere else the puntland admin said that they have been silent on it because "sir" ba u dhexayo them and ssc clan-elders. Infact from garowe to las-canod its all puntland...but what about sanaag...some places i read dhahar, badhan, las korey is puntland...whilst others say its somaliland..what is the official position of those towns and who controls them?

Buhoodle and Las-canood are definitely under sland. But is that it or is there more towns under their control?

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Postby Ahmed-Gurey » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:50 pm

Are u serious. Except for the western fringe, much of Sanaag falls under the PL umbrella. It's the political base of General Abdilaahi Ilka-jirr. He went there in his PL election and rallied the people behind him.

He almost has a monopoly over his region. He is not challenged by anyone although it's possible that a good political candidate may arise if he does not live up to his promises.

Ever since he was elected, he has done a number of things. He opened a Treasury or Central bank in the city of BAdhan. He helped resolve the dispute in Laag, Bosaaso between the PL security and the Dubeis militia. Now the Dubeis administer Laag and get the revenue of its Checkpoint.

He built district councils for Badhan and Dhahar so far. Ever since his arrival, No secessionist has ventured into Sanaag. Have you ever heard of disturbances from SL since Ilka-jir came and assumed power.

Now the only thing that needs to be addressed is the fair distribution of the revenue of the port. It's like the port is managed and used as a Clan Property as opposed to National Property. At least the legal protection of the latter would bring every constiuent on board and support hospitals and schools in every district. Much of the revenue(200K a day) remains unreported. No tangible progress with the money and no transperancy.

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Here is his campaign pics in Badhan. Have u been to Puntland Ozman?

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