Makhir And Puntland 1 Goal 1 Dream

[usman-84]

No i haven't been..but sland forces are in sanaag aint they? i know they are in erigavo, mait, el afweyn...but who is the admin in eastern sanaag...i know las qoray is puntland admin..is it only erigavo that is under sland in sanaag?

I just want to know which admin is controlling what...

[Ahmed-Gurey]

To break it down for u. There is no eastern or west Sanaag boundaries.

Sanaag had 5 official districts before the civil war. Three out of five is exclusive Warsangeli districts. Ceerigaabo is a shared city and SL obviously has an influence over its control but it does not directly hold the power. The power rests on Harti and Isaaq who had lived together for centuries. Their power preceded the power of SL for centuries, therefore, if two clans fight over a piece of land or a murder case, they refer to and consult their customary agreement and elders for solution. Btw, ceerigaabo is connected to Boosaaso and people trade on a daily basis.

Ceelafwayn is Habarjeclo majority but its villages are populated by Warsans and Isaaq.

[Ahmed-Gurey]

So it's Ilka-jirr's political base and he is the interior minister of PL. It's controlled by PL, of course.

[oldenglish]

Ahmed Guray you must be on crack thinking warsangelis live in ceelafweyn
lets get this straight

Xiis District - Hj
Garadag -Hj
Ceelafweyn - Shared between Bicide and Sacad Yonis
Dararweyn- Sacad Yonis-hY
Mait -Musa Carre - Hy
Ceerigabo - Mainly Gadhweyn with few other minorities
Badhan - Warsangeli
Buran -Warsangeli

Thats the biggest hogwash shit but then agian maps and insignificant nobodies can make a million maps cause I came from Maakhir and HY/Dir/Qashin don't have shiit. I swear to Allah when I seen these people bagging on the streets of Erigavo I asked if they were Warsangeli and when they said Isaaq I told them to get away from me.

To this Usan kid there is no such thing as West Sanaag, Ceelafweyn is WARSANGELI your West Sanaag is Warsangeli. Your Puntland, East Bari, Mudug and Nugaal population wise isnt larger than West Bari and Sanaag aka Maakhir. I give MJ applaud since there great manipulative bitches.

[oldenglish]

To break it down for u. There is no eastern or west Sanaag boundaries.

Sanaag had 5 official districts before the civil war. Three out of five is exclusive Warsangeli districts. Ceerigaabo is a shared city and SL obviously has an influence over its control but it does not directly hold the power. The power rests on Harti and Isaaq who had lived together for centuries. Their power preceded the power of SL for centuries, therefore, if two clans fight over a piece of land or a murder case, they refer to and consult their customary agreement and elders for solution. Btw, ceerigaabo is connected to Boosaaso and people trade on a daily basis.

Ceelafwayn is Habarjeclo majority but its villages are populated by Warsans and Isaaq.

Erigavo is a Warsangeli-Cumar city stop perpetuating lies the only reason why Maakhir State could not excerise full control when they declared the state in 2007 anf East (North & South) Erigavo was in there control at the time, due to the lack of funds they could not adopt control of the town. The town is not significant or strategic it is the capital whose estabilisher a Jibril Siciid officer has been highjacked by SL whose robust and had a small existing population their just like all urban centers in any country, this group lead the foot hole in the invasion and massacre of Cumars in Erigavo by SNM.

Warsangelis are just lagging and waiting for others, paying soldiers/people with "sticks" 20 bucks/month could extend and capture land from Berbera all the way to Xafun. No one is loyal and money rules the land. Ceelafweyne is a tiny village with 1 school and a watering hole it does not exceed 5,000 people. This is a Warsangeli town and like Erigavo but due to its proximity to the West the Isaaqs have perpetuated this mass lie of claiming Warsangeli lands under the Somaliland banner and still they have no control anywhere.

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Duceysane, Look at how SL Clan Entity is so desperate and how it is bent on clannish policies to resize and redistrict the region in favor of the minority Isaaq.
If every village of Warsans are made to be districts, then it would be a completely different story.

Xiingalol, let alone Hadaaftimo, Ceelbuh and Buraan, is much bigger than Ceelafwayn---your only exclusive district..

It's based on facts and figures that Sanaag is Warsangeli majority.

Coastal towns:

Ceelaayo, Durduri, Gacan, Qaw, Dhooftinle, Geelweyta, Laas Macaan, all of these coastal towns are much bigger than Xiis and Maydh.

Western Sanaag:

Dararweyne is a village, way smaller than DamallaXagare and Carmaale, according to population figures by UN affiliated NGOs that work in the area like WFP.


Here is an evidence of the 5 major districts of Sanaag as of 1990.

[usman-84]

Ahmed gurey everyone knows sanaag is 90% warsangeli. Sxb wax cusub ma aha

[Ducaysane_87]

Ahmed Guray well it doesnt matter about 1990s old districts now we are in 2009 and you have to live with this . Ceerigabo is strictly gadhweyn the last two mayors were both Muse ismail





Xiis District - Hj
Garadag -Hj
Ceelafweyn - Shared between Bicide and Sacad Yonis
Dararweyn- Sacad Yonis-hY
Mait -Musa Carre - Hy
Ceerigabo - Mainly Gadhweyn with few other minorities
Badhan - Warsangeli
Buran -Warsangeli








check this out how small your clan was and still is - this is 1890 statists of british somaliland - you see your whole warsangeli clan was 20,000 people with 10 Dia paying

[usman-84]

Duceysane the maps u post if u take to court will be thrown out by the judge as non-existant. So to make an argument out of what u imaginate is called illogical fallacy. So your refuted on the basis u create maps in your imagination from non-existant sland administration. Somalia borders are defined by 1990 and that will be the way it stays for 1 million years.

Marka we aint gonna argue with u on maps you make up which noone in the world acknowledge. Talk on REAL MAPS the world recognizes. Isaaq is 1 million sxb mj is 900 000...this united nation census 2005...marka u match 1 sub-clan of fockin darod...forget warsangeli...that is why isaaq is compared to mj not harti or darod.

2005 undp statistics..blasted in ur face...right here qarxis time...http://www.fsausomali.org/uploads/Other/962.pdf

Enuff said..

[oldenglish]

LOL@ Dhulbhante being 5 times the size of Warsangeli and these Habars numbers. Warsangeli Dubeys-Cumar-Cismaan are nearly the same size as Majarteen.

[usman-84]

old english i displayed my evidence from undp estimations and provided my reference to the united nations food agency for somalia. I don't just post an image which can be written in google-book software and claim things as facts. I provide my source, just go n test it.

[usman-84]

1890 statistics by duceysane comes from his adobe pdf writer which he writes himself and then claims its from 1890 book. I can do the same in adobe pdf and say its from 1890 statistics. Besides 1890s and 2005 take ur pick guys. Isaaq got wiped the hell out by siyad...1890 wont help even if u reference that...that isaaq clan is truly the size of mj...

AND IF U DONT BELIEVE ME GO TEST UNITED NATION DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM..Not me..

[oldenglish]

I dont care for numbers or Isaaqs I have my own land on planet Earth its unfortunate some people will resort to map games to please there fantasy. But then again Maakhir is the most beautiful place on Earth.

[Ducaysane_87]

LOL@ Dhulbhante being 5 times the size of Warsangeli and these Habars numbers. Warsangeli Dubeys-Cumar-Cismaan are nearly the same size as Majarteen.

delusional

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Duc, ahaha that stats of Warsans being 20' have been proven false. I am going to post the evidence right after I dig up my archives.

Second, be a man enough and stop relying the politically motivated #s that you all secessionists rely on.

I have a document as of 1889 that puts Warsans as the second largest tribe of Somalia. Now it's fair to say if you believe that ludicrous even #s , then you should also believe in these #. Notwithstanding, the source of that stats produced by the Hargeisa Office has already been debunked and discredited.

Again, for a research to be accurate, it has to be reliable, verifiable and timely relavant. For a guy like u, it's hard to make a constructive arguments.