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[Ben Dover]

Xaarmarke has to hold the record for the most fuckups and backfires within a single thread in Snet history

1- He claimed the Erigavo people overwhelmingly voted in favour of the constitution:

There was not election in 1961, there was a referendum held for the constitution of the Somali Republic. The people of Erigavo overwhelmingly voted in favour.

imgur.com/OeqbcMn

Turns out, they actually voted AGAINST, with a margin of 69%!



2- He then started quoting Markus Hoehne to prove his claim to Erigavo.

Throughout most of the 1990s, the Somaliland government left the Dhulbahante and Warsangeli in Sool, eastern Sanaag, and southern Togdheer to their own devices. The same was true for the Gadabuursi and Ciise in the Awdal region in the west, and Isaaq areas in Sanaag to the west and north of Ceerigaabo.

Between Somaliland & Puntland by Markus Hoehne

Well, Markus actually called his very claim of Erigavo 'imaginary territory'



Markus also used this map in his paper:



3- There was also that pathetic claim that:

- There was 2 MP's from Erigavo in 1969. The other was Dhulos, I don't know his name but I will find out.

The Dhulbahante MP's name was Mohamed Ahmed Abdulle (Sakhraan).

Mohamed Ahmed Abdulle (Sakhraan) was elected MP in Erigavo in 1969. Am still in pursuit of viable sources, so to put a stop on your obsession over this matter for your own sanity.

And after 15 pages of claiming it was a qurjiile by the name of Sakhran, refusing to provide any f-king source, making all kinds of preposterous demands, he finally admitted he did not know what the fuck he was talking about:

I will like to admit that I was wrong in my believe that Mr Mohamed Sakhran was elected from Erigabo in 1969,

It was neither Sakhran, nor even 1969, the year we were discussing! He got an assist with a random qurjile born and raised in Isaaq territory elected deputy in 1964.

He then went on to try and claim a Gadhweyn MP of 1969 to be qurjiile

4- He also claimed that:

after the elections USP & SNL formed a coalition,

The USP gained it's seats entirely independent of SNL, Cigaal had no position to play within that party, during it's creation or during the elections. It was only after parliament congregated that Cigal being the majority party leader was elected as First Minister.

Turns out Cigaal was the leader of both SNL and USP



5- He was also caught bragging about the loot they received from Afweyne. The same source he used states the repossision of HY's rightful land from qurji and harti yaryar.



6- And finally, the ridiculous claim that Isaaq had no presence in Erigavo!!

Dhulbahante were living in locations of the present day Erigavo city, before the British came to the somali shores. However, the Eydoors had no presence in the area at all.

And you all saw the map above indicating Isaaq surrounding Erigavo from every single direction.

I am sure I have missed a few of his other backfires. This pathetic qurjiile is not the best rep of his tol

I have collected the above to set up for his latest colossal backfire..

To be continued....

[Ben Dover]

Now lets examine his latest fuckup:

This time the son of disabled dhocil is citing General survey of the Somaliland Protectorate 1944-1950. He also agrees it is:

The most extensive and comprehensive survey ever conducted in the former British Somaliland

Splendid! Let us hope he keeps thinking this highly of the survey by the time we are done today

Now what exactly is he claiming?

This Herman-Garen well is certainly not Erigavo. We are discussing Erigavo and its inhabitants. Why the fuck are you pointing to a random well east of Erigavo?

What is that supposed to mean? That you lived near the town? No one denied this. You lived with Isaaq in Jidaali.



This is not Erigavo hooyada siilka qurjigu ka dilaacay wase. Why are you trying to obfuscate the issue?

tbc...

[Ben Dover]

Where does it say Naleeye Axmed live in Erigavo? It doesnt.

Now allow me to quote from the survey, a little education goes a long way yaa ibnul zina:

You have listed the normal grazing area of Naleya Ahmed. Contrary to your claims, not a single mention of Erigavo.

Now lets quote from your source, and cite home wells of Naleye Ahmed as well, lets see if there is any mention of Erigavo:



Again, not a single mention of Erigavo.

Now keep in mind that you have described this source as:

The most extensive and comprehensive survey ever conducted in the former British Somaliland

I wonder what your source says about Isaaq subclans in relation to Erigavo, remember it did not mention Erigavo as homewell of Dhulo Naleya Ahmed.








Boom!

This is YOUR OWN SOURCE confirming Erigavo is an Isaaq deegaan.

Another day another qurjiile attempt backfires.

Waryaadha, is he trolling now? I can not imagine any sane human being, even a qurjiile, to be this incompetent.

You are done qurjiile.

[Sharmarke91]

Abaha ku was, waa Dabacayuun indhabeel ah!

The lunatic does not seem to know the difference between Sanaag (the region), Erigavo (the district) and Erigavo (the city). Wallahi his literally quoting anywhere he sees the name Erigavo . Hooyada wase you are YET to produce anything which explicitly states Erigavo is an exclusive Isaaq city. That is your claim right?

Markus Hoehne said this while explicitly and directly referring to the city of Erigavo;


The context of these quotes is different. However, he does confirm my argument that north and west of Ceerigabo is Eydoor territory. Since he has not mentioned the south and east of Ceerigabo as Isaaq domain you can deduce that his alluding to that territory being Dhulbahante.

[Sharmarke91]

The following is the correct referendum results for the north regions.

How the fuck does this proof Erigavo is an Isaaq city? The results is for the entire region of Sanaag.

source - Somalilandlaw

[Sharmarke91]

Again this is referring to Sanaag region not Erigavo city.

[Xildiiid]

^
Forget about Ben Dovers sources that have totally destroyed your claims.

Riddle me this, how can you claim a city that your Dofaar Ismaciil clan didn't build?

Ma wax aanad laheyn ayaad sheegan kartaa?

[Sharmarke91]

This Herman-Garen well is certainly not Erigavo. We are discussing Erigavo and its inhabitants. Why the fuck are you pointing to a random well east of Erigavo?

Because the Well is f-king a mere 5KM away from the current location of Erigavo city? hooyada wase, how can you claim a city over a man who's ancestors settled and utilised a well 5KM away? how desperate and pathetic is that? The place is basically the outskirts of Erigavo.

If you agree and acknowledge the evidence which explicitly confirms that Dhulos lived in the vicinity of Erigavo in places like Heman-Garen, Masagan, and Midhisho, what makes you think that the Dhulbahante haven't moved into Erigavo after it was turned into a city and designated as the capital of Erigavo district by the British . Even if it was formerly an Eydoor well? Your logic and rationality is alien to me wallah!

[Ben Dover]

Qurjiilihii wuu isku yaacay

Stop trying, you continue to make an absolute fool of yourself.

Back then there was no Sanaag region. There were Erigavo district (the region) and Erigavo town. I have made the distinction between them very clear. You just continue to indulge in your pathetic mission to save face after each time you make an utter fool of yourself.

You have called the survey:

The most extensive and comprehensive survey ever conducted in the former British Somaliland

This is what information they presented about your Naleye Ahmed:

Naleye Ahmed Grazing Area:



Naleye Ahmed Home Wells:



Where does it mention Erigavo?


Show us, if you will, where it says Erigavo (the town), since you obviously see something no one else is seeing

You cant and you wont.

The same book you lauded as the 'the most extensive and comprehensive survey ever conducted ' lists Erigavo as a home well of Isaaq subclans:



And:



Highlighted in red so even a qurjiile can make it out. There you go. No Erigavo district, no Erigavo region, but Erigavo the town.



Game over qurji.

[Sharmarke91]

Look at this logic,

Note: Erigavo town was a few cariishs during the 40s.

Erigavo (the well) was utilised by the Eydoor,

therefore Erigavo the town is also Eydoor?

The fact that Naleye Ahmed settled in Heman (5KM away) is irrelevant and does not compute in the Eydoor mind.

kkkkk Maangaabino mise is yeel yeel?

[Ben Dover]

Regarding the rest of your abortion of rebuttal

The context of these quotes is different. However, he does confirm my argument that north and west of Ceerigabo is Eydoor territory. Since he has not mentioned the south and east of Ceerigabo as Isaaq domain you can deduce that his alluding to that territory being Dhulbahante.

Why is all your argument about deductions, suppositions and inferences?

You are struggling so hard because you are lying.

Markus Hoehne said this about Isaaq deegaan:

"...Somaliland is dominated by members of the Isaaq clan-family and its clans, and subclans; they constitute roughly two-thirds of the population and reside in central and parts of western Somaliland, as well as up to the north-east (Ceerigaabo and Maydh)..."

Not north east of Ceerigaabo and Maydh, but Ceerigaabo proper and Maydh proper.

That is your source!

He also said about your deegaan:

"...This imagined territory stretched from east of Burco (for decades now mainly in the hands of HJ) to north of Ceerigaabo (long in the hands of HJ and HY)..."

The area encompassing the territory beginning at east Burco and ending in north of Ceerigaabo. Can it get any clearer?

This is your own damn source yaa qurji.

The fuck out of here with that bullshit.

You said that same table returned a vote saying no:

There was not election in 1961, there was a referendum held for the constitution of the Somali Republic. The people of Erigavo overwhelmingly voted in favour.

Did you look at your own table before writing that? Because even your own table clearly shows Erigavo returned a No vote.

At any rate that is not a source you can use here. They made a mistake. I have corrected you with several citations all confirming Erigavo returning 69%. I am not conceding as much as 1% hooyadaa iyo qaxbadaad ladhalatayba wase.



You have no where to run qurjiile. Every door is closed.

[Sharmarke91]

This table shows the correct results. Those unaccounted quotes you drag out off your ass incorrect.

[Sharmarke91]

It was neither Sakhran, nor even 1969, the year we were discussing! He got an assist with a random qurjile born and raised in Isaaq territory elected deputy in 1964.

He then went on to try and claim a Gadhweyn MP of 1969 to be qurjiile

LOL look at his mentality bal, he acknowledges and accepts the Dhulbahante MP elected in Erigavo in 1964 yet he maintains we don't settle in the city. by this logic then its a possibility that a Dhulbahante can be elected from Hargeisa (Hadi abti looyahay ama uu ku too Koray Hargeisa) lol.



Hooyada siilka cas ka wase, where is your proof that H. Mohamoud Ali Ismail was this "Gadhweyn' your referring to?

[Ben Dover]

This table shows the correct results. Those unaccounted quotes you drag out off your ass incorrect.

That is not going to fly qurjiile. Try again.

You are citing a random website Somalilandlaw.com.

On the other hand we have not one, not two, not four, but five academic sources, in multiple languages, all corroborating and confirming the correct result for Erigavo returning a no vote at 69%, higher than that of Burao. This is paints the clearest picture of demographics of Erigavo. Unlike the non-Isaaq cities returning a strong yes vote.


Also why are you not addressing the fact that you misread your own table?

What a failure

He actually said it returned a yes vote! The qurjiile fails to read his own sources. Again.



Try again qurjiile, your desperate struggles are very entertaining

[Sharmarke91]

Where is your proof for the 1969 MP hooyada wase?