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[Ben Dover]

What the fuck are you talking about? You do not have a point sxb, waas iska hadlaysaa.

The map you attached is concerned with roads, not regions. It does not help your case one bit. It reads that there are 20,000 Dhulos living within the general area between Sool and Sanaag, no where close to Erigavo. It only shows Isaaq living in Erigavo area, and neither Warsangeli nor Dhulbahante. It makes no difference to me which Isaaq lives there as long as everyone is clear its an Isaaq town.

You are misquoting your own source. The guy said:

"This imagined territory stretched from east of Burco (for decades now mainly in the hans of Isaaq) to north of Ceerigaabo (long in the hands of Isaaq)".

"They constitute roughly tow-thirds of the population and reside in central and parts of western Somaliland, as well as up to the north east (Ceerigaabo and Maydh)

He explicitly mentions Erigavo

Furthermore, he only mentions Erigavo when discussing Isaaq and not Dhulbahante. This is your own source sxb.

You still avoided:

- You totally got the referendum results wrong, you said it returned a yes vote when it actually returned a resounding no. Erigavo referendum results matches Isaaq settlements and not non Isaaq towns like Borama and Las Anod.
- Isaaq always dominated elections in Sanaag with 3 MPs and Harti with only 2 (no Dhulbahante MPs).
- The sole MP from Erigavo in 1969 was Isaaq.
- You were evicted completely from Sanaag, and only returned when allowed.
- Erigavo has always been a Somaliland town, Isaaq completely dominate it every whichway.

I respect you are still in the game, but you honestly have 0 chance with this one. I would advice you to stop now

[Sharmarke91]

WTF man, why do you delve in to the context of every source I bring. If the map is concerned with roads thats beside the point. If the German dude is asserting the Dhulbahante claim lands that no longer belong to them that's also beside the point. We are discussing which clans settle in Erigavo.

The map clearly shows all four clans equally settling in the region of Sanaag. So, do you accept that we are equally represented in Sanaag?

As, for Erigavo;

Why do you decide to distort what the guy says? he said;

"..Isaaq areas in sanaag to the west and north of Ceerigabo" hence the areas south and east of Erigavo are Dhulos territory.

I don't even need what some white man says. I can tell you myself anything on the road south from Ceeri to Sool is Dhulos, also anything on the road East from Ceeri to Jiidali is Dhulos.

- it was 60% actually I checked various sources, but so what it doesn't prove the clan makeup of the region. many non Isaaq people voted no.
- There was 2 MP's from Erigavo in 1969. The other was Dhulos, I don't know his name but I will find out.
- The Isaaq were evicted before the SNM entered the town and pushed back to the gollis mountains, So what every dog has his day? lol
- During the Siad Barre era we dominated the city. Again so what every dog has his day. Am sure we'll get our chance again when the federal state is established for Sool & Sanaag.

Erigavo is a shared city and that's the reality. You can keep on arguing the contrary. This is starting to get ridiculous and pathetic sxb, you need to accept the reality. Denying Dhulos settle in Erigavo and the immediate surrounding area is not going to make us go away.

[Ben Dover]

I question the validity of every source you bring because because you are using them disingenuously, distorting them to fit your argument. For example:

If the map is concerned with roads thats beside the point

No its not, you are arguing the map claims there are Dhulbahante in in Sanaag when there are no regions drawn on the map. Shit makes no sense. The map has some numbers and roads, there is no mention of any region. The only thing it confirms is Erigavo is an Isaaq town because it places HY there, which concedes my point.

If the German dude is asserting the Dhulbahante claim lands that no longer belong to them that's also beside the point

No its not. He is saying you lot are claiming land from East Burco to north of Erigavo, land which has been long in the hands of Isaaq, how is that beside the point? It is exactly what you are doing right now, claiming land that is not yours. Note that this guy is very fond of your people and biased against Isaaq yet he still state his position clearly.

I am not distorting anything, he said what I've quoted verbatim:

"They constitute roughly tow-thirds of the population and reside in central and parts of western Somaliland, as well as up to the north east (Ceerigaabo and Maydh)

There you go. He specifically mentions Erigavo as Isaaq deegaan. Now does he ever mention Erigavo to be a Dhulos deegaan? This is your source mate, you're done.

About the other points:

- Dont lie, Erigavo returned 69%. Exactly inline with other Isaaq cities.


If there were significant no. of non-Isaaqs, why did the vote not reflect that like the two other non-Isaaq settlments of Borama and Las Anod?

Did you forget you lied and said Erigavo returned a yes vote?

"There was not election in 1961, there was a referendum held for the constitution of the Somali Republic. The people of Erigavo overwhelmingly voted in favour. "

- There was no Dhulo MP in 1969.

- Bring source that Isaaq were evicted from Erigavo. This is a another lie. You could not hold the town even with Barre arming you to the teeth, you ran all the way to Las Anod.

- You did not dominate shit during the Siad Barre era, he just encouraged you and supported your settlement of Erigavo using state resources. The fact that you are bragging about this is emblematic of your gunnimo. The moment he fell you literally ran out of Sanaag.

Sxb, if you are going to make outlandish claims bring proof. You have no history in Sanaag. The only thing you seem to think support your case are the Somaliland local elections, being my deputy, and a map of roads and how many people they serve. Isnt this weird to you? For a clan to claim to live in equal numbers to other clans not to have any bit of significant history in the region? Doesnt that tell you everything?

In running around in circles like you are doing you admit your people amount to nothing in Erigavo. I hope this thread teaches you to never claim our land again.

[Sharmarke91]

You don't need regions to be drawn on the map to deduce that the map makers intention was to indicate 20,000 Dhulos settled in Sanaag (Ex Erigavo district). To prove this check the map again and also the check the map where the regions are drawn. The border between Sool and Sanaag falls about 20KM south of Qardho which is on the Somalia side. You can see where Dhulbahante & 20,000 is written falls right into the Sanaag region and no where near Sool.

Also, if you think these numbers are estimates of the population a road served then why do all the population estimates match those clan population estimates produced by the British during the same year this map was made? again if the figures as you say were the estimates of the population served by the roads, then why write the figures twice for example where warsangeli is written 20,000 is written but then again where the road is drawn 20,000 is written. Similarly, where musa Abokor is written also 40,00 is written, but the road from Berbera the figure 180,000 is written.

The fact is sxb, your intentionally ignoring this because you know I got you here. Your beloved British have explicitly stated that the four clans settle in the region of Sanaag equally, but you haven't the balls to admit and accept this.



http://www.britishempire.co.uk/images2/ ... plarge.jpg

As for the quote from Markus V. Hoehne's book, there is no where he explicitly mentions that the Isaaq exclusively inhabit the city. You're just distorting things. The man is saying the Isaaq live north and west of cerrigabo. His not actually talking about the city here.

Nevertheless, don't worry, I have a quote for you here were he does directly approach this dilemma of yours. In the Journal of Eastern African Studies he wrote an article called Limits of hybrid political orders: the case of Somaliland which he says,

"In Ceerigaabo, the capital of Sanaag region, members of various Isaaq and Darood/ Harti clans reside together. They stood on different sides during the civil war of the SNM against the regime of Maxamed Siyaad Barre in the 1980s"

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... Somaliland

These are the real referendum results by region.
http://imgur.com/OeqbcMn

and yes there was Dhulos MP in 1969, I will find out his name.

So, it's ok for you to Brag about dominating Erigavo when you have the full support of the Isaaq administrations yet it's gunnimo when I say we dominated and controlled it the during the Barre era? WTF

Erigavo is a shared city, between Warsengali, Dhulbahante, Habr Yonis & minority clans such as Magaadle, Ugayslabe, Jibraahil, Gahayle & Habr Jeclo.
That's the reality you can accept it or keep crying and obsess over it. lol

[Ben Dover]

Another post with very little substance.

You are arguing that a map that has no regions specified, somehow confirms you live in a region, wtf are you on sxb?

- Does the map say Dhulbahante live in Ceerigaabo?
No.

- Does the map say Dhulbahante live in Sanaag.
No

The only thing it confirms is that Isaaq inhabit Sanaag. The fact that it matches the population estimates is a non-starter. I can make a new map and divide the same population estimates any which way I want, you would still match the population estimates but the division I made remains meaningless. They did not do so in this case.

Why are all your sources so reaching? Why can it not be straight forward and explicit like the ones I am presenting? You are trying way too hard.

As for the quote from Markus V. Hoehne's book, there is no where he explicitly mentions that the Isaaq exclusively inhabit the city. You're just distorting things.

Really? Did you read his book? He explicitly states:

"They constitute roughly tow-thirds of the population and reside in central and parts of western Somaliland, as well as up to the north east (Ceerigaabo and Maydh)"

Not north east of Ceerigaabo, but Ceerigaabo proper, and Maydh proper. Is this explicit enought for you?

Why do you continue to lie about the referendum results?

The table you are attaching is from Somalilandlaw, I have seen it and it is wrong. Erigavo returned 69% no vote:






Why you lying?


This is the clearest bit of evidence we have. Erigavo returned a similar vote to Isaaq towns and not Darod or Dir. Which is why you are trying -and failing- to fabricate it.

There was never a Dhulos MP elected in Erigavo, bring proof or shut it.

And are you seriously equating Barre regime arming you with US military aid weapons to SL administration that can not even buy arms due to embargo? Your uncle Afweyne was bankrolled by Arabs, USSR then USA, and he really tried to give you a leg up but you shat the bed. You had unbelievable support from Barre yet you failed and fled not only the city but the entire region and only returned when given permission.

Isaaq today dominate Erigavo and Sanaag just like the dominated it in the past, there was no Siad Barre regime when Isaaq got majority of MPs in the 60s, their dominance today is a continuation of that legacy. You had no prior history there, appeared only when Barre supported you, and was never heard of again to this day. That is what I was trying to get across.

You've been had sxb. You are just exposing your clan's.

[Sharmarke91]

As for the quote from Markus V. Hoehne's book, there is no where he explicitly mentions that the Isaaq exclusively inhabit the city. You're just distorting things.

Really? Did you read his book? He explicitly states:

You need to read before you post mate.

LMAO This is beyond obsession.

How many times do I have to repeat myself to you? wtf is wrong with you?
Do you loathe Harti people that much that you can't even accept the reality?

The authentic British map clearly shows the Dhulos settling in Sanaag in equal numbers as the other clans. If your interested in finding out that those 20,000 Dhulos lived in Sanaag, go and check my previous post.

Yes, the map shows the HY inhabiting the territory nearest to Erigavo because that was their stronghold. The map does not show the HY south of Erigavo in places like Dararweyne, El Afweyn, Garadag, or as far south as Sool and Oog. This is because the map provides a rough estimate of the settlements and strongholds of each clan. I don't even know why am telling you this, because your aware but blatantly deciding to avoid this. I've on numerous times told you the Dhulos main territory in Sanaag is anything on the major road south of Erigavo and thats evident on the map.

This map was drawn 1944 and things have changes. Since Erigavo was made the district capital and then the regional capital all the clans of the region moved to the city, inevitably the two clans (Dhulos & HY) nearest to the city have greater representation in the city than the others. This happens in every region in Somalia where all the inhabits of a region move to the capital of theregion due to the services it offers. Did you know that prior to 1991 the Dhulbahante clans of Buuhoodle settled in Burao?

From Markus V. Hoehne's own mouth;
In Ceerigaabo, the capital of Sanaag region, members of various Isaaq and Darood/ Harti clans reside together."

Whats the name of the Isaaq MP elected from Erigavo in 1969?

[Ben Dover]

The authentic British map clearly shows the Dhulos settling in Sanaag

There are no regions on the map you provided, you can not 'infer' the region. Which is why you are writing paragraphs defending the map when it should be straight forward. That 20,000 figure could be anywhere in northern Sool or southern Sanaag or in between. just like you said the 40,000 Musa Abokor number is between Saaxil and Sanaag, your 20,000 number could be anywhere between northern Sool and Sanaag.

"They constitute roughly tow-thirds of the population and reside in central and parts of western Somaliland, as well as up to the north east (Ceerigaabo and Maydh)"

Why are you avoiding this direct quote?

He is not saying north east of Ceerigaabo or north east of Maydh, but north east (e.g. Ceerigaabo proper and Maydh proper).

I am not denying you live in three villages in Sanaag. I am just saying Erigavo is an Isaaq town, as attested to by:

- All the sources you've brought into this discussion that agree Erigavo is an Isaaq town.
- 69% vote in 1960 (higher than Burao!)
- All MPs from Erigavo being Isaaq
- You being evicted from Erigavo (and Sanaag) despite being armed by Afweyne.
- Complete dominance of Isaaq politically today.

My argument is rather simple

[Sharmarke91]

Your just impossible my friend.

How stupid are you?

It's not difficult to figure that the location on the map where Dholbahanta and 20,000 is written is deep inside Sanaag and no way near the border of Sool! just f-king look at the map were the district borders are drawn. http://www.britishempire.co.uk/images2/ ... plarge.jpg

and Yes the 40,000 Musa Abokor is split between, SAAXIL, TOGDHEER & SANAAG.

Yes, the guy says the Isaaqs live in Erigavo, but does he say they settle in the town exclusively? NO!
Have I said the Isaaqs don't live in the town? NO!

SO, WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING THIS QUOTE FROM THE SAME f-king GUY??
"In Ceerigaabo, the capital of Sanaag region, members of various Isaaq and Darood/ Harti clans reside together."

I dare you to produce a legitimate and authentic source which explicitly and clearly states, the Isaaq clans live in the city of Erigavo solely & exclusively.

Ok, please answer this, if we have 3 villages in Sanaag, then how many villages do Habr Yonis & Habr Jeclo have, because the only villages of significants I think of for HJ is El Afweyn (Shared with HY), Garadag (Shared with HY) & Xiis and the only village I think of for Habr Yonis is Maydh.

At least we have three important villages exclusively.

- All my sources clearly show that the Erigavo is shared!
- The 60% referendum results was not just from Erigavo city but the entire district of Erigavo (Sanaag). So, how does this prove Erigavo proper is an Isaaq town?
- Give me the names of all the Isaaq MPs in the elections of 64 & 69??
- We've been evicted? so, your admitting that we did actually live there?
- Habr Jeclo dominates Burao today due to the support of the Sillaanyo government does that mean, Habr Yonis don't live there?

[Sharmarke91]

A quote you provided on page 2 which supports my assertion that all four clans equally settle in the Sanaag region lol

[weydamal]

Sharmarke you are arguing with the most imbecilic iiddor fag on the net, bentover. Your fathers used to say to his type:

Waa laba khasaar inaan murtida, kuu lisaa adi.

Nacaskan diifka ka da'ayaa waad ku khasaartey, waa teneg madhan, isagoo kale suuqaa la geeya, even a goat has a bigger brain than bentover. Ilaaheyna habar jeclo oo xaqiran buu ka dhigay, Dhulbahante iyo Daarood baan la murmay buu marfishka la tegi.

Ceerigaabo belongs to Dhulbahante and Warsangeli. To argue about this with a low born habar jeclo is just a waste of bandwidth.

[Ben Dover]

Give it up qurjiile, your time is up. You literally had to lie and say Erigavo returned a yes vote (when it was 69% no) to make your point

The map you are using does not have regions, ergo you can not use it to prove your clan settles a region or a town. It is very simple. Your 20,000 number could be anywhere between between northern Sool and southern Sanaag.

On the other hand we have maps that explicitly show Erigavo to be an Isaaq town:









Furthermore, neutral surveyors confirm HJ, HY and Warsangeli to be of Erigavo district but do not list your Dhulos:



Even your own sources that you dug up failed you, and confirmed Erigavo to be Isaaq deegaan. The quote you are foaming at the mouth about confirm some Harti live there, I am not denying some Harti might live there, I have said as much in the previous discussion as well, but the town is an Isaaq town. Dont try to make it seem like I am saying 'not a single Dhulo is to be found in Erigavo', you are there as inan layaal.

You only have three villages, and they are not important. Isaaq have two out of three districts that they dominate, Warsangeli have a district they dominate, you have nothing, just three village.

- Your own source confirms Erigavo is an Isaaq deegaan.
- You lied and said Erigavo returned a vote in favour of the constitution:

The people of Erigavo overwhelmingly voted in favour.

We now know that is not true, and in fact Erigavo returned 69% vote against the constitution, higher even than Burao! (now after being caught out lying he is trying peddleback )
- Isaaq were always elected in the town as representatives (we are still waiting on the Dhulos MP)
- Are you denying you were evicted from all of Sanaag?
- HJ do not dominate Burco because of Siilaanyo, the local council elections were fraught discrepancies and sabotage.

Never claim Erigavo again fadlan.

[Sharmarke91]

kkkk Walahay runta iska sheeg mapkaasi wuu kaa nixiyay, madan filanayan in Dhulbahante sida Sanaag u dego. So, now your crying and reaching to find a reason to say they don't live in sanaag that numerously.

Sxb, like I said a million times sanaag si siman ba loo wada degaa, marka ama oy ama aqbal xaqiiqda jirrta.

If you keep crying Erigavo is a Isaaq town is not going to make it so!

lol Is that all you have to support your argument? a few maps drawn by some biased sources.
I asked you produce a viable source which categorically states Erigavo is a Isaaq town, but you can't do that.

All my sources are solid, firm and non biased and that they all confirm that sanaag is settled by all clans equally and Erigavo is a shared city!

The Harti clans have three exclusive districts Badhan, Las Qoray & Dhahar. Plus they are the majority in the district of Erigavo.

The Idoor have 1 barren district (El Afweyn).

The Dhulbahante MP's name was Mohamed Ahmed Abdulle (Sakhraan).

I dare you to provide the names of the Idoor MP's.

[X.Playa]

Sharmarke you are arguing with the most imbecilic iiddor fag on the net, bentover. Your fathers used to say to his type:

Waa laba khasaar inaan murtida, kuu lisaa adi.

Nacaskan diifka ka da'ayaa waad ku khasaartey, waa teneg madhan, isagoo kale suuqaa la geeya, even a goat has a bigger brain than bentover. Ilaaheyna habar jeclo oo xaqiran buu ka dhigay, Dhulbahante iyo Daarood baan la murmay buu marfishka la tegi.

Ceerigaabo belongs to Dhulbahante and Warsangeli. To argue about this with a low born habar jeclo is just a waste of bandwidth.

Muran-naagoodle Ben Dover literally bulldozed your Neo Faqash claim and all you got is two lines of braanbur and a truck load of manure to counter his overwhelming argument.

The issue even is much simpler in all around Ceerigaabo west , east , north and south is isaaq settlement so how the hell you own anything. The Warsangali/Gadhweyn border is Yube few km west of Hadaaftimo they dont even make it to the district of Ceerigaabo. The h.y coastal border with Harti is Geelweyte less then 40km west of Laas Qori.

The few Dhulbahante that live in Sanaag are way off to the borders of Sool Fiqifuliye and Awrboogays, Jidali is the only village few Dhulbahante live in that is close to Ceerigaabo and it always have been Gadhweyn majority and historically Isaaq so far back to the medieval times, the tomb of Zubeer Awal Isxaqq is located there.

Give it up , its sad how your elders lie to you to build up a falls sense of superiority only to be humiliated in any debate outside of your clan forum and mafrishes.

[Sharmarke91]

Sharmarke you are arguing with the most imbecilic iiddor fag on the net, bentover. Your fathers used to say to his type:

Waa laba khasaar inaan murtida, kuu lisaa adi.

Nacaskan diifka ka da'ayaa waad ku khasaartey, waa teneg madhan, isagoo kale suuqaa la geeya, even a goat has a bigger brain than bentover. Ilaaheyna habar jeclo oo xaqiran buu ka dhigay, Dhulbahante iyo Daarood baan la murmay buu marfishka la tegi.

Ceerigaabo belongs to Dhulbahante and Warsangeli. To argue about this with a low born habar jeclo is just a waste of bandwidth.

Your right indr, Laakin isaga iyo dabacayuunka badan ee akhrin doona ayaan ugu talagalay inan cashar u dhigo.

Magalaadeeni ceerigabo bay ku soo khaldameen marka waa in la saxa waad dad dawakhsane, say qaad iyo khamri afka iyo futada iska shubayeen.

[Sharmarke91]

Sharmarke you are arguing with the most imbecilic iiddor fag on the net, bentover. Your fathers used to say to his type:

Waa laba khasaar inaan murtida, kuu lisaa adi.

Nacaskan diifka ka da'ayaa waad ku khasaartey, waa teneg madhan, isagoo kale suuqaa la geeya, even a goat has a bigger brain than bentover. Ilaaheyna habar jeclo oo xaqiran buu ka dhigay, Dhulbahante iyo Daarood baan la murmay buu marfishka la tegi.

Ceerigaabo belongs to Dhulbahante and Warsangeli. To argue about this with a low born habar jeclo is just a waste of bandwidth.

Miran-naagoodle Ben Dover literally bulldozed your Neo Faqash claim and all you got is two lines of braanbur and a truck load of manure to counter his overwhelming argument.

The issue even is much simpler in all around Ceerigaabo west , east , north and south is isaaq settlement so how the hell you own anything. The Warsangali/Gadhweyn border is Yube few km west of Hadaaftimo they dont even make it to the district of Ceerigaabo. The h.y coastal border with Harti is Geelweyte less then 40km west of Laas Qori.

The few Dhulbahante that live in Sanaag are way off to the borders of Sool Fiqifuliye and Awrboogays, Jidali is the only village few Dhulbahante live in that is close to Ceerigaabo and it always have been Gadhweyn majority and historically Isaaq so far back to the medieval times, the tomb of Zubeer Awal Isxaqq is located there.

Give it up , its sad how your elders lie to you to build up a falls sense of superiority only to be humiliated in any debate outside of your clan forum and mafrishes.

LOL Idoor kalo waalan!