Who and What are the Salaf?

[Sweet_Ladyee]

Salaaaaaaaaaaaam.

Endure-4-allah. MashaAllah you're spreading wonderful knowledge of the deen.

Like I have previously mentioned, there are numerous doubts often spread about naming with Salafiyyah and the word 'Salafi', some of them coming from sincere people, based upon what they have experienced and other times coming from the devils amongst men, who wish to pass judgement upon the da'wah of truth, see it fall, and have it replaced with their own innovatory ejaculations and hallucinations of the mind.

abdiwstldn(THIS IS NOT ABDI)---I HOPE THIS WILL ANSWER UR QUESTIONS. The word 'Salafiyyah' WAS NOT applied during the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu calaihi wa'salam) and his companions – this being due to the fact that the Muslims were upon the CORRECT Islaam and there was no need for a word such as 'Salafiyyah' at that time. However, when the tribulations occurred and the sects increased and the Ummah split the Ulamaa of the Ummaah stood to distinguish those upon the truth from those upon falsehood and hence they stated 'Ahl ul-Hadeeth" and 'as-Salaf'.

lbn Taymiyyah (d.728H) - rahimahullaah - said: 'There is no criticism for the one who proclaims the way of the Salaf, who attaches himself to it and refers to it. Rather, it is obligatory to accept that from him by unanimous agreement (Ittifaaq) because the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf is nothing but the Truth (Haqq).' [Majmoo al-Fataawaa 4:149]

Imaam adh-Dhahabee (d.748H) - rahimahullaah - said: "It is authentically related from ad-Daaraqutnee that he said: There is nothing more despised by me than 'irnul-kalaam (innovated speech and rhetorics). I say: No person should ever enter into 'ilmul-kalaam, nor argumentation. Rather, he should be Salafee (a follower of the Salaf)."[Siyar 16/457]

Sweet_Ladyee AKA Salafi_Sister

[LANDER-4-LIFE]

same old excuse...

just because people are not perfect it gives them the green light to practice Islam any way they want? correct me if i am wrong, but i was under the impression that Islam was a religion of PEACE. of mercy understanding love and respect, i see none of those attributes in those who call themselves salafis (not those i know of anyways). i know of one sister who was harassed in the prayer room because her abaya was on her shoulders and not on her head . truth be told, because of my expirience with certain salafis (both somalia and non somali) i am doubtful of them, i dont approach them, and i most certainly do not pray in their mosques. (did that once in the eid of 2004, i had my toes stepped on, and was pulled in both elbows by those standing next to me DURING the prayer.

i'll stick to just being Muslim and see how far that will take me... insha-allah.

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this is not abdi[/quote]


loooooooolz @ toes stepped on ....istaqfurallah..walahi i'm still laughing. .

i know wat u mean. and i've just searched islam q & a to find you the reason. this happens every eid at my mosque too. it's not salafi thing walal.

The rows of congregation prayer must be straight..and there shouldn't be any spaces between the people in congregation prayer. their shoulders and heels should be touching each other....THIS IS WHY U HAD UR TOES STEPPED ON and your elbows pulled.looolz.

here's the question but the answer is too long to quote so i'll give you the link..hope this helps.

Question:
Is straightening the rows in congregational prayers obligatory in the sense that the worshippers are sinning if they do not make their rows straight?.


part of the answer: (see http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=3 ... n%20prayer)

It was narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Straighten your rows, for straightening the rows is part of perfecting prayer.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 690; Muslim, 433. According to another report narrated by al-Bukhaari (723): “Straighten your rows, for straightening the rows is part of establishing prayer.”

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Straightening the rows means that no one stands in front of anyone else, but is what is meant that the foot should not be in front of anyone else’s foot? The answer is that what is meant is the shoulders at the top of the body, and the heels at the bottom of the body.

Attention is paid to the heels because they are the foundation on which the body rests. The heel is at the bottom of the leg, and the leg is the pillar of the body, so this is what matters. As for the toes, they do not count, because toes vary; some people have long feet and some have short feet, so what matters is the heel.

salamu alaykum.

[_BuFF_GYAL_]

to those saying that we shud not call our selves salafi!
...welll check this yeh because This doubt was very beatifully answered by Imaam al-Albaani in his discussion with someone on this subject, recorded on the cassette entitled, "I am Salafi", and here is a presentation of the vital parts of it:

Shaikh al-Albaani: "When it is said to you, ‘What is your madhhab’, what is your reply?"

Questioner: "A Muslim".

Shaikh al-Albaani: "This is not sufficient!".

Questioner: "Allaah has named us Muslims" and he recited the saying of Allaah Most High, "He is the one who has called you Muslims beforehand." (al-Hajj 22:78)

Shaikh al-Albaani: "This would be a correct answer if we were in the very first times (of Islaam) before the sects had appeared and spread. But if we were to ask, now, any Muslim from any of these sects with which we differ on account of aqeedah, his answer would not be any different to this word. All of them – the Shi’ite Rafidi, the Khaariji, the Nusayri Alawi – would say, "I am a Muslim". Hence, this is not sufficient in these days."

Questioner: "In that case I say, I am a Muslim upon the Book and the Sunnah."

Shaikh al-Albaani: "This is not sufficient either".

Questioner: "Why?"

Shaikh al-Albaani: "Do you find any of those whom we have just mentioned by way of example saying, ‘I am a Muslim who is not upon the Book and the Sunnah’?" Who is the one who says, ‘I am not upon the Book and the Sunnah’?"

At this point the Shaikh then began to explain in detail the importance of being upon the Book and the Sunnah in light of the understanding of the Salaf us-Saalih…

Questioner: "In that case I am a Muslim upon the Book and the Sunnah with the understanding of the Salaf us-Saalih".

Shaikh al-Albaani: "When a person asks you about your madhhab, is this what you will say to him?"

Questioner: "Yes".

Shaikh al-Albaani: "What is your view that we shorten this phrase in the language, since the best words are those that are few but indicated the desired intent, so we say, ‘Salafi’?" End of quotation.

Hence, the point is that naming with "Muslim" or "Sunni" is not enough, since everyone will claim that. And Imaam al-Albaani emphasised the importance of the truth being distinguished from the falsehood – from the point of view of the basis of manhaj and aqidah, and that is taking from the Salaf us-Saalih, as opposed to the various sects and groups whose understandings are based upon those of their mentors and leaders and not that of the Salaf, fundamentally.

[Abdi_westldn]

so the point with the word salaaf according to sheikh albaani is to distinguish themselves from other muslims, because the salafs are the ONLY ones who will go to heaven? subxanallah, that kind of lateral thinking has disintegrated the ummah. how can you willfully support someone who wants to separate us? or do you al assume that since we will divide into 73 sects you might as well start the division early....


endureforallah, i told the truth regarding my expirience with the salafs, i didnt mention any names, and they were at fault. how can i be backbiting? according to the Oxford dictionary backbiting is. 1. to attack the character or reputation of (a person who is not present).
2. to speak unfavorably or slanderously of a person who is not present.

so you are wrong.

as for womens awra among other women, iga dhaaf waxaas sxb, i'm of the conviction that as long as a person is modest you have no right to reprimand them. in OUR culture a dirac is modest when worn in women only company, or were ALL of our ancestors, though they were muslim, innovators and the like because they allowed their women to celebrate weddings in a dirac?
the salafs disregard the millions of muslims across the globe who do not subscribe to their extreeme ways of thinking, the only thing salaafs and the rest of the muslims agree on is the tawheed, but even then you take it too far, my adeer apperantly burnt his tusbax because it was bi'da

as for the salafs not speaking, walaal, they can be quiet all they want, what bothers me is their air of self-importance, as if they are the ONLY true muslims in the world, sure they are miles ahead of the hizbs (parties) that are scattered around the area, who heckle the mosque sermons. but they could atleast say Salaam when a muslims greets them, wallahi iyo billahi, to this date, none of the salafis have ever returned a salaam from me, or said salaam to me. what kind of muslims are those, and it's not like i dont look muslims..


sweet-laydee, let me quote you

he word 'Salafiyyah' WAS NOT applied during the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu calaihi wa'salam) and his companions – this being due to the fact that the Muslims were upon the CORRECT Islaam

so incidentally all other muslims are NOT practicing the correct kind of Islam? that includes me and everyone else who doesnt brand themselves salaaf, as endure4allah said, if you have nothing good to say, one should remain silent, and you should be aware that you right now have assumed that you know what the "correct" kind of Islam is, and that only you and your people (the salaafis) are practising it. i think you need a piece of humble pie. you can start with asking for forgiveness.


lander4life, lol walaal i am aware of none standing infront of another during the prayer (in the rows), but when you align yourselves up, you shouldnt be distracted from your prayer by people tugging at you, how am i supposed to concentrate when every few seconds into the prayer i am being pushed, pulled, and the one next to me is whispering dont let the shaydaan get between us! acudubillah, i had to re-do my prayer when i got home with the family..

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this is not abdi