Why is some parts of Somali history neglected

[Cilmiile]

Sadeboi,

Ama Dhuus ama Dhac, you cant change the man's glorious History. Cabdrixamaan Mursal shot the English guy in the ear and wore his Hat as a trophy. He shot up the rest of the British. I dont care about schit little camel dispute between two Geeljire. This man went down in history for Confronting the British invaders. And that is why we give him Kudos. As does the Academics who devote their time and Energy to Somali History.



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On 2 February 1916, the disaster that British officials had feared would one
day happen in the NFD occurred in neighboring Jubaland. There, a large party
of northern Aulihan led by Hajji ‘Abdurrahman Mursaal surprised and killed
the Serenli DC, Lieutenant Francis Elliot, and many of the British garrison. It
is important to understand the motives that lay behind the sack of Serenli. The
incident actually arose from a dispute between Aulihan and Marehan Somalis
not long after the outbreak of the First World War and from which a series of
raids and reprisals had followed. Following the deaths of nine Marehan at the
hands of northern Aulihan and the looting of hundreds of camels, Lieutenant
Elliot had publicly given ‘Abdurrahman Mursaal an ultimatum to surrender the
stolen animals to him within three days. Instead, the government-paid Reer
Waffatu headman defiantly delivered a gift of black animals that, by Somali cus-
tom, constituted an open challenge to the Serenli DC.

The undaunted, but injudicious, Elliot apparently was contemptuous of the threat and failed to take
precautions. Instead, he continued his incredible practice of locking the garri-
son’s rifles in the guardroom each evening before sunset.

Moreover, he allowed a large contingent of Aulihan to camp just 100 yards from the boma.

Meanwhile the a s k a r is, or African soldiers, we re settling down to eve n i n g
meals, the Aulihan burst upon the British post. The Somalis set the surprised
soldiers’ huts on fire, and killed many of them as they fled the flames. By one
account, ‘A b d u r rahman Mursaal himself is said to have shot Elliot beneath the
ear with a revo l ve r, and by another, to have donned Elliot’s sun helmet after the
raid. Dozens of Elliot’s men we re killed in the attack, while the survivo r s
escaped across the Juba River to the nearby Italian post at Baard h e e re. The
Somalis captured the company’s maxim gun along with large quantities of arms
and ammunition.

For the next 18 months, `A b d u r rahman Mursaal’s northern
Aulihan, strengthened by the acquisition of British weapons, held free reign ove r
much of Jubaland and threatened British rule in the NFD as well. Indeed, a
British officer with service in the region would later describe the Ogaden, of
whom the Aulihan we re a part, as “one of the most formidable fighting tribes in
Africa” because of their mobility with their ponies, re m a r kable endura n c e, and
the skill with which they wielded their spears.

[Cilmiile]

NoAngst,

You call the Biyamaal a bunch of mercenaries fighting for slavery in order to deny them their rightful history. And you want to take their place with an old maansuukh Fiqi Duurre from Cadale who composed a few anti-colonial shiribs.

If that is all it took to become Anti Colonial pioneer then the honour should go Faarax Nuur who composed a famous poem warning against the division of Somali lands and Somalis making agreements with Gaalo.

Ingiriis Axmaar iyo Talyan way akeekamiye ...

[sadeboi]

Cilmile we are both using the same source, lakiin my statement about him being a used condom is correct since his revolt against the British started in 1916 and he was aiding the British in 1913 against the Marexaan uprising.


[quote]To take the case of the Mare h a n ,
‘A b d u r rahman Mursaal had supported a British attempt to disarm them in 191 3
and, not surprisingly, the Marehan still had not forgotten his collabora t i o n .[/qu

[Cilmiile]

[quote="sadeboi"]:lol:


Cilmile we are both using the same source, lakiin my statement about him being a used condom is correct since his revolt against the British started in 1916 and he was aiding the British in 1913 against the Marexaan uprising.[/quote]

If he was a used condom, yaa lagu wasay condomka?

[sadeboi]

Asaga, he first aided them against Marexaan galti, then when the british could not defeat us they dispensed him since there was no point in paying him when he was achieving nothing, this when he started his "rebellion."

[Cilmiile]

So u are saying that the English failed to consummate with your lot and the Condom was wasted?

Sadeboi,

You are making a fool of yourself. The Cawlyahan and CAbdiraxmaan Mursal covered themselves in Glory. And you yourself provided the evidence with that article. I was too lazy to go digging in my laptop to fish it out.

[sadeboi]

English should not be that hard to comprehend old man; and acting like a retardwill not work with beesha SADE, we are not the iidoor you debate with.

[wadaniweyn1]

You must be reading from Kacaan history. The FIRST ever anti-colonial Somali was Sh. Axmed Wacdiyow of Cadale, a Hawiye Mudulood man. In 1886, long before Somalis even heard of fighting for "SOMALIA", Sh. Wacdiyow was busy rallying Somalis against the Italians. It can safely be said he was the father of Somali nationalism. After all, he wrote this in 1886:

Soomaaliyaan u dagaalamaynaa,
dalkeena ballaaran u daafacaynaa,
kuwa dulmaaya la dood galaynaa,
dabeylka mowdku intuu I daadihin,
hilibka duud cunin deebna uu noqon,
duruyadaada dab looma aasee,
kuwa dambaan u dariiq falaynaa,
kufriga soo dagay diidda leenahay

cilmiile, why do u always down play issaq clans who were loyal to darawiishta from da start to the end ? like adan madoobe and yessif who were the staunchest darawiish members along with cali gheri and who r among da smallest subclans in habar jeclo cos of fighting along with rest of darwiish.

[DawladSade]

I should have been here. This cuqdad filled harlot started showing her true signs after the Kismaayo battle. Since saying "no one will touch Afgaduud" and seeing what had transpired after wards, he shows nothing but cuqdad and xasaraad towards the great SADE. Allow the harlot's whimperings. Whenever Xplaya turns her away for the night, she goes elsewhere to bark.

Warsame, I have read about beat down of the English supporting Cawlyahan, but can you give me the source that describes the chase into Ethiopia?


Here is beesha Sade, taking on Ogaden+Garre+Ethiopians (Habesha)+English+Italians in Somalia simultaneously:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6962/max1ra2.png

[guhad122]

Cilmiile;

You can never win the minds of Booli-Qaran-raised Ilka-Yar kids. All they know or heard is Mareexaan. To them, everything is Mareexaan. I wouldn’t waste valuable time of mine debating with male cheerleaders who instead of trying to make the world better place cheer for criminal warlords.

We know who C/raxamaan Mursal was and his famous quote says it all” By Allah I will not be a slave to the Government” The man said that in February 1917. What a national treasure!

How about this history, which was way before the C/raxmaan Mursal-led uprising.
http://www.members.dca.net/fbl/singhbutta.html

[DawladSade]

[quote]To take the case of the Mare h a n ,
‘A b d u r rahman Mursaal had supported a British attempt to disarm them in 191 3
and, not surprisingly, the Marehan still had not forgotten his collabora t i o n .[/quote]


[quote]While the fighting between the Muhammad Zubeir and
Aulihan continued, by late 1916, the conflict with the Marehan overshadowed
it. Indeed, Ahmed Hajji, a son of ‘Abdurrahman Mursaal, was killed in October
by Marehan, and unconfirmed reports attested that the rebel leader had been
wounded in the leg.
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The Marehan decided to take even more effective action
against their rivals. They suspended their internal feuds so that they could deal
[/quote]


The reason Britain gave Jubbaland to the Italians

[quote]More importantly, this inability to control the
Marehan illustrated just how little control the colonial state exercised on the
northeast frontier. This example of Somali resistance certainly would make the
British think twice about imposing their dictates in the northeast for some
years to come. Indeed, the presence of so-called recalcitrant Somalis there had
much to do with the nature of the cession of Jubaland to Italy in 1925.[/quote]

[Warsame101]

[quote="NoAngst."]
You must be reading from Kacaan history. The FIRST ever anti-colonial Somali was Sh. Axmed Wacdiyow of Cadale, a Hawiye Mudulood man. In 1886, long before Somalis even heard of fighting for "SOMALIA", Sh. Wacdiyow was busy rallying Somalis against the Italians. It can safely be said he was the father of Somali nationalism. After all, he wrote this in 1886:

Soomaaliyaan u dagaalamaynaa,
dalkeena ballaaran u daafacaynaa,
kuwa dulmaaya la dood galaynaa,
dabeylka mowdku intuu I daadihin,
hilibka duud cunin deebna uu noqon,
duruyadaada dab looma aasee,
kuwa dambaan u dariiq falaynaa,
kufriga soo dagay diidda leenahay[/quote]


Tell me, NoAngst, who was he fighting? the invincible donkeys from space? It is well known that Italians never controlled Somalia in 1886, let alone had a full grip at the end of 1900. They only controlled the major ports and it was only in 1910 that they fully started controlling the interior.

DS, I do not have the exact wording as it was in a book that I no longer posses. The summy of it was that the Mursaal's rapid departure from the Axmed forces, it demoralized Mursaal and Cawlyahan. Reer Axmed confronted them again and captured a large booty and his primary chiefs (including Gaboodi Cali, chief of the Rer Afgaab). Mursaal on the other hand escaped and crossed the Jubba heading to the direction of Ethiopia.

DS, Cilmiile is venturing in to a territory (Jubbaland history) that he does not have any knowledge of, instead of admitting that, he kept continuing advancing his incorrect and rather ignorant view of Jubbaland history.

[sadeboi]

[quote]DS, Cilmiile is venturing in to a territory (Jubbaland history) that he does not have any knowledge of, instead of admitting that, he kept continuing advancing his incorrect and rather ignorant view of Jubbaland history.[/quote]

Exactly.


Oh, and the noangst already state that the "first ever anti-colonial Somali" was fighting the colonist with mere poetry


[quote]the invincible donkeys from space?[/quote]

Ina adeer ka daa.

[Warsame101]

guhad122, why don't you tell us about the Ogaadeen chief Sultan Margaan Yusuf and his successor Axmed Margaan, who exercised far more greater authority than the government spy Mursaal, but were government apologists that used to visit Kismaayo and swear allegiance to the "Queen"

The Ogaadeen army that he had under his command were so disgusted by this that they have started disassembling.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Sh. Axmed Wacdiyow IYO al mujaahid SHEEKH XASAN BARSANE waa nimankii ugu horeeyey ee gaalada gumeysataha la jihaadey . xitaa waqtigaa uu Sh. Axmed Wacdiyow jihaadka xitaa m abdule xasan ma uusan bilaabin dagaalkiisii against britian.


maxamed abdule xasan dadkii uuu ku dayadey ee uu raadkiisa raacey ayuu ahaa sheekh axmed wacdiyow iyo MAHDIGII sudan..


waxaa kaloo jira mujaahid sheekh xasan barsane jihaad aad qaraar kula galey talyaaniga iyo ingriiska gobolada dhexe shabeelada dhexe ilaa banaadir.

taariikhda somaliya waxaa ku ciyaarey odaygii afka balaarnaa ee qabiilistaha ahaa mr siyaad bare alla yaa raxma.