AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
Moderators: Moderators, Junior Moderators
Forum rules
This General Forum is for general discussions from daily chitchat to more serious discussions among Somalinet Forums members. Please do not use it as your Personal Message center (PM). If you want to contact a particular person or a group of people, please use the PM feature. If you want to contact the moderators, pls PM them. If you insist leaving a public message for the mods or other members, it will be deleted.
This General Forum is for general discussions from daily chitchat to more serious discussions among Somalinet Forums members. Please do not use it as your Personal Message center (PM). If you want to contact a particular person or a group of people, please use the PM feature. If you want to contact the moderators, pls PM them. If you insist leaving a public message for the mods or other members, it will be deleted.
-
djibsomali
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 5229
- Joined: Fri May 25, 2007 6:39 pm
AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
Imam ahmad ibrahim (gurey) from Awdal
Fact of the argument
• A Somali imam.
• Born in 1506 at Hubat located between Harar and Zaila. (the ancestral land of gadabursi)
• Lead the adal empire (modern day awdal)
Imam Ahmad's having been a Somali is the fact that, after disagreeing with Sultan Umar Din of harar over the alms tax, he retired to live amongst his Somali tribe in awdal.
The above event is proven on numerous account.
If he wasn’t a Somali he wouldn’t be born among Somalis, returned to live among Somalis and recruit among somalis
So imam ahmed lived among the Somali stock that lived and still live in awdal
(whether you call it the modern day gadabursi, issa, gurgureh or habar awal).
In order for you to better situate the indications that will be mentioned, you are invited to refer to the Map of Africa in 1808 as well as other maps. Saying that, to the North, Adal Empire was situated up to the region of Danaakil (actually, North of the Republic of Djibouti, populated by Afar people). While to the South, the empire had its border up to the region of Ras-Xaafuun (actually called Hays and Maydh, located in today's Region of Sanaag).
Therefore the frontier of the first adal empire was the land occupied up today by the habar awal, the gadabursi clan, the issa and the afar.
The name Gadabuursi which is a nick name was only given to the descendents of imam ahmed gurey core army at the last critical moment before they made a final stand to the Amhara at the mandaluug ancestral homeland of Amuud which was destroyed over 50,000 homes where excuvated recently and the place was leveled with the ground, 10, 000 thousands perished.
The name Gaada Biirsay means The one who collected the army or "chests" the name refered to the desparate effort of imam Samaroon Said to collect and muster the power of his kinsman against the infidels. Gaado means shafka ama xabadka (gaada ha i saarin oo kale. Gaadsan the westren Dir 's name means the one with the army or good chest literary. The Gadabuursi latter suffered a davastating defeat and actually the present day Amuud which has an old cemetery called Lafaruug was destroyed by the Amhara King. Also note it was this period that the King Shihad a Diin buried in Zailac Island was killed. The Gudabuursi Dir and Modoobe Dir never recovered from these devastating blows.
As above the name gadabursi did not existed at prior the 17th centenary and will not be mentioned on any books written before 1700.
The fataha al habash books have never mentioned the composite of the contingent lead by ahmed gurey personally.
But only the clan he recruited from his external territory.
Proof:
Could you look at IMAM ahmed gurey army composite.
It comprised of 3 contingents:
The Left flank:
The right flank:
And the central: lead by Ahmed gurey himself.
The composite of the RIGTH flank of the Army:
Page 76 of the book (Fataha al habasha)says so:
The imam ahmed, may the most high have mercy on him, summoned the sultan Mohamed son of the sultan ali son of his maternal aunt.
And the sheikh anas and put under their command al the tibes of the Harla, as for instance the tribe of Zaman bara, the tribe of Barzara with their chieftain, the tribe of yaqula, and the tribe of jasar, the tribe of arab tka and the tribe of al-qa all of those belonged of the Harla.
The imam told them to hold the muslim RIGTH
The composite of the LEFT flank of the army:
Page 76 of the book (Fataha al habasha).
Then he assembled the Somali tribes: the tribe of girri, the tribe of marraihan, the tribe of yibberi (modern day yibir tribe) with the chieftain ahmad girri, the tribe of the harti, people of mait, the tribe of jaraan the tribe mazzar the tribe of barsud all of these were Somalis and there were ordered by the imam to hold to the LEFT (each tribe had its own emir)
The central army:
Lead by the Ahmed gurey is not mentioned by their tribes and for obvious reason as there were the core army and not seasonable fighters.
Obviously they were not made up of ghost but Somali fighters.
As the name of gadabursi did not exist at that time the main central army will only be left to be made up of indigenous zeilacy people from awdal.
Hence modern day gadabursi, issa and obviously habar awal.
The physical attribute of most gadabursi clan and as mentioned by all the travellers who passed the area closely match what we know about Ahmed gurey appearance.
In the 18th centenary when the English traveller Richard burton reported just 100 years after the clan is known by their nickname gadabursi he describe them as bellow
(First Footsteps In East Africa by Richard F. Burton)
***********************************************************
page 136
Here, white flocks odotting the hills, and the scavengers of the air (haad) warned us that we were in the vicinity of villages.Our wigwam was soon full of fair-faced gadabursi, mostly loajira or cow-herd boys, who,according to the custom of their class, wore their tobes bound scarf-like round their necks.They begged us to visit their village, and offered a heifer for each lion shot on mount libahlay: unahapply we could not afford time.Amongst them was the first really pretty and handsome face seen by me in the somali country The head was well formed, and gracefully placed upon a long thin neck and narrowshoulders; the hair, brow and nose were unexceptionable, there was an arch look in the eyes of jet and pearl, and a suspicion of africa protuberance about the lips, which gave the countenance and exceeding naivete.
*****************************************************************
page 168 of first footsteps in east africa
In appearance the gadabursi (samarone) are decidedly superior to their limitrophes of somale
(the issa, habar awal, gugureh, girri).
I have seen handsome faces amongst the men as well as the women.
Some approach closely to the Caucasian type: one old man, with olive-coloured skin, bald brow,and white hair curling round his temples, and occiput, exactly resembled an anglo-indian veteranGenerally, however, the prognathous mouth betrays an african origin, and chewing tobacco mixed with ashes (buree) stains the teeth, blackens the gums, and mottles the lips.
The complexion is the cafe au lait (fair).Contrasting strongly with the sooty skins of the coast;and the hair, plentifully anointed with rancid butter, hands from the head in lankcorkscrew the colour of a Russian pointer's coat. the figure is rather squat,
but broad well set and built. The gadabursi are as turbulent and unmanageable, though not so bloodthirsty, as the issa.
So in conclusion the argument that ahmed gurey is truly from the samarone (gadabursi) hold water for those who logically analyse the history.
1) The core terrain of ahmed gurey of awdal is the deygaan of gadabursi, issa and habar awal
2) Zeila is solely occupied and has been occupied by gadabursi and issa
3) The folklore in zeila as always foretold by generation and associate ahmed gurey to gadabursi
4) Even the looks of the clan is quit superior and would be rightfully associated to the Imam
Fact of the argument
• A Somali imam.
• Born in 1506 at Hubat located between Harar and Zaila. (the ancestral land of gadabursi)
• Lead the adal empire (modern day awdal)
Imam Ahmad's having been a Somali is the fact that, after disagreeing with Sultan Umar Din of harar over the alms tax, he retired to live amongst his Somali tribe in awdal.
The above event is proven on numerous account.
If he wasn’t a Somali he wouldn’t be born among Somalis, returned to live among Somalis and recruit among somalis
So imam ahmed lived among the Somali stock that lived and still live in awdal
(whether you call it the modern day gadabursi, issa, gurgureh or habar awal).
In order for you to better situate the indications that will be mentioned, you are invited to refer to the Map of Africa in 1808 as well as other maps. Saying that, to the North, Adal Empire was situated up to the region of Danaakil (actually, North of the Republic of Djibouti, populated by Afar people). While to the South, the empire had its border up to the region of Ras-Xaafuun (actually called Hays and Maydh, located in today's Region of Sanaag).
Therefore the frontier of the first adal empire was the land occupied up today by the habar awal, the gadabursi clan, the issa and the afar.
The name Gadabuursi which is a nick name was only given to the descendents of imam ahmed gurey core army at the last critical moment before they made a final stand to the Amhara at the mandaluug ancestral homeland of Amuud which was destroyed over 50,000 homes where excuvated recently and the place was leveled with the ground, 10, 000 thousands perished.
The name Gaada Biirsay means The one who collected the army or "chests" the name refered to the desparate effort of imam Samaroon Said to collect and muster the power of his kinsman against the infidels. Gaado means shafka ama xabadka (gaada ha i saarin oo kale. Gaadsan the westren Dir 's name means the one with the army or good chest literary. The Gadabuursi latter suffered a davastating defeat and actually the present day Amuud which has an old cemetery called Lafaruug was destroyed by the Amhara King. Also note it was this period that the King Shihad a Diin buried in Zailac Island was killed. The Gudabuursi Dir and Modoobe Dir never recovered from these devastating blows.
As above the name gadabursi did not existed at prior the 17th centenary and will not be mentioned on any books written before 1700.
The fataha al habash books have never mentioned the composite of the contingent lead by ahmed gurey personally.
But only the clan he recruited from his external territory.
Proof:
Could you look at IMAM ahmed gurey army composite.
It comprised of 3 contingents:
The Left flank:
The right flank:
And the central: lead by Ahmed gurey himself.
The composite of the RIGTH flank of the Army:
Page 76 of the book (Fataha al habasha)says so:
The imam ahmed, may the most high have mercy on him, summoned the sultan Mohamed son of the sultan ali son of his maternal aunt.
And the sheikh anas and put under their command al the tibes of the Harla, as for instance the tribe of Zaman bara, the tribe of Barzara with their chieftain, the tribe of yaqula, and the tribe of jasar, the tribe of arab tka and the tribe of al-qa all of those belonged of the Harla.
The imam told them to hold the muslim RIGTH
The composite of the LEFT flank of the army:
Page 76 of the book (Fataha al habasha).
Then he assembled the Somali tribes: the tribe of girri, the tribe of marraihan, the tribe of yibberi (modern day yibir tribe) with the chieftain ahmad girri, the tribe of the harti, people of mait, the tribe of jaraan the tribe mazzar the tribe of barsud all of these were Somalis and there were ordered by the imam to hold to the LEFT (each tribe had its own emir)
The central army:
Lead by the Ahmed gurey is not mentioned by their tribes and for obvious reason as there were the core army and not seasonable fighters.
Obviously they were not made up of ghost but Somali fighters.
As the name of gadabursi did not exist at that time the main central army will only be left to be made up of indigenous zeilacy people from awdal.
Hence modern day gadabursi, issa and obviously habar awal.
The physical attribute of most gadabursi clan and as mentioned by all the travellers who passed the area closely match what we know about Ahmed gurey appearance.
In the 18th centenary when the English traveller Richard burton reported just 100 years after the clan is known by their nickname gadabursi he describe them as bellow
(First Footsteps In East Africa by Richard F. Burton)
***********************************************************
page 136
Here, white flocks odotting the hills, and the scavengers of the air (haad) warned us that we were in the vicinity of villages.Our wigwam was soon full of fair-faced gadabursi, mostly loajira or cow-herd boys, who,according to the custom of their class, wore their tobes bound scarf-like round their necks.They begged us to visit their village, and offered a heifer for each lion shot on mount libahlay: unahapply we could not afford time.Amongst them was the first really pretty and handsome face seen by me in the somali country The head was well formed, and gracefully placed upon a long thin neck and narrowshoulders; the hair, brow and nose were unexceptionable, there was an arch look in the eyes of jet and pearl, and a suspicion of africa protuberance about the lips, which gave the countenance and exceeding naivete.
*****************************************************************
page 168 of first footsteps in east africa
In appearance the gadabursi (samarone) are decidedly superior to their limitrophes of somale
(the issa, habar awal, gugureh, girri).
I have seen handsome faces amongst the men as well as the women.
Some approach closely to the Caucasian type: one old man, with olive-coloured skin, bald brow,and white hair curling round his temples, and occiput, exactly resembled an anglo-indian veteranGenerally, however, the prognathous mouth betrays an african origin, and chewing tobacco mixed with ashes (buree) stains the teeth, blackens the gums, and mottles the lips.
The complexion is the cafe au lait (fair).Contrasting strongly with the sooty skins of the coast;and the hair, plentifully anointed with rancid butter, hands from the head in lankcorkscrew the colour of a Russian pointer's coat. the figure is rather squat,
but broad well set and built. The gadabursi are as turbulent and unmanageable, though not so bloodthirsty, as the issa.
So in conclusion the argument that ahmed gurey is truly from the samarone (gadabursi) hold water for those who logically analyse the history.
1) The core terrain of ahmed gurey of awdal is the deygaan of gadabursi, issa and habar awal
2) Zeila is solely occupied and has been occupied by gadabursi and issa
3) The folklore in zeila as always foretold by generation and associate ahmed gurey to gadabursi
4) Even the looks of the clan is quit superior and would be rightfully associated to the Imam
- sheldibow
- SomaliNetizen

- Posts: 968
- Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:21 am
- Location: We must achieve peace because it's the only way to build this nation
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
I don´t know if was Gadabursi.....but I know he was Dir not hawiye or darood...........
-
Alluring
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 8237
- Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:44 am
- Location: between past and future
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
He was Darood. Period.
-
musika man
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 5661
- Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:05 am
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
^^^
wtf is gadabursi, an orromo tribe?
ahmed gran is arab.
wtf is gadabursi, an orromo tribe?
ahmed gran is arab.
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
Personally, I don't care about establishing the tribe of Axmad Gurey b/c if he were to be from a certain tribe people would hate him just for that.
-
Alluring
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 8237
- Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:44 am
- Location: between past and future
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
[quote="musika man"]^^^
wtf is gadabursi, an orromo tribe?
ahmed gran is arab.[/quote]
Says the irrelevant Reer Xamar.
wtf is gadabursi, an orromo tribe?
ahmed gran is arab.[/quote]
Says the irrelevant Reer Xamar.
- Ashlee
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 9351
- Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:49 am
- Location: The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming.
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
WHO THE FVCK CARES?
I swear you people argue over the dumbest shit in the world. Who cares if he was from clan x,y, or z..It's not like it lessens ( or glorifies) his accomplishments. It doesn't change anything you dumbfvcks!
I swear you people argue over the dumbest shit in the world. Who cares if he was from clan x,y, or z..It's not like it lessens ( or glorifies) his accomplishments. It doesn't change anything you dumbfvcks!
-
xoogSADE14
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 14602
- Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:08 pm
- Location: Praying for peace in the south.
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
[quote="Alluring"]He was Darood. Period.[/quote]
Runtu Alleey taqaan.
Runtu Alleey taqaan.
-
musika man
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 5661
- Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:05 am
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
[quote="xoogSADE14"][quote="Alluring"]He was Darood. Period.[/quote]
Runtu Alleey taqaan.[/quote]
^^^
was ahmed gran ogaden, marehan or mjerten? darods dont agree. means it is fake.
Runtu Alleey taqaan.[/quote]
^^^
was ahmed gran ogaden, marehan or mjerten? darods dont agree. means it is fake.
-
Sanaagian
- SomaliNet Heavyweight

- Posts: 1005
- Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:01 pm
- Location: Somaliland Forever
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
this is dumb shit..
Ahmed Gurey is in the heart of all somalis
stop qabiilizing
Ahmed Gurey is in the heart of all somalis
stop qabiilizing
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
Ahmed Guray was a pilliging butcher who robed and raided poor folks with the excuse of God.
Nothing so great about the man, 10's of thousands of poor women and childern were sold to slavery as far as India.
There is nothing speacial about the maniac.
Nothing so great about the man, 10's of thousands of poor women and childern were sold to slavery as far as India.
There is nothing speacial about the maniac.
-
musika man
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 5661
- Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:05 am
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
[quote="X.Playa"]Ahmed Guray was a pilliging butcher who robed and raided poor folks with the excuse of God.
Nothing so great about the man, 10's of thousands of poor women and childern were sold to slavery as far as India.
There is nothing speacial about the maniac.[/quote]
^^^
are you athiest or christian?
Nothing so great about the man, 10's of thousands of poor women and childern were sold to slavery as far as India.
There is nothing speacial about the maniac.[/quote]
^^^
are you athiest or christian?
-
xoogSADE14
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 14602
- Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:08 pm
- Location: Praying for peace in the south.
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
[quote="musika man"]was ahmed gran ogaden, marehan or mjerten? darods dont agree. means it is fake.[/quote]
Majerten ama Ogaadeen Imaamka sheeganaaya inteed ku aragtay?
Sanaaigan
You're wrong sxb, just because the great Imaam was born from a certain clan doesn't change his legacy or how much he loved his religion and country.
X.Playa
You hate Imaam Axmed Gurey, Sayid Maxamed Abdille Xassan, Maj. Gen. Pres. M.S.B, Fmr. Pres. Cabdirashiid Cali Sharmarke all because they are Darood. Whats new?
Majerten ama Ogaadeen Imaamka sheeganaaya inteed ku aragtay?
Sanaaigan
You're wrong sxb, just because the great Imaam was born from a certain clan doesn't change his legacy or how much he loved his religion and country.
X.Playa
You hate Imaam Axmed Gurey, Sayid Maxamed Abdille Xassan, Maj. Gen. Pres. M.S.B, Fmr. Pres. Cabdirashiid Cali Sharmarke all because they are Darood. Whats new?
- new-york23
- SomaliNet Heavyweight

- Posts: 2446
- Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:50 am
- Location: OGADENIA-jubbaland-NFD
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
axmed gurey was a darood absame abaskul.
- Voltage
- SomaliNet Super

- Posts: 29214
- Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:33 pm
- Location: Sheikh Voltage ibn Guleid-Shire al-Garbaharawi, Oil Baron
Re: AHMAD IBRAHIM (GUREY) FROM THE GADABURSI
[quote="X.Playa"]Ahmed Guray was a pilliging butcher who robed and raided poor folks with the excuse of God.
Nothing so great about the man, 10's of thousands of poor women and childern were sold to slavery as far as India.
There is nothing speacial about the maniac.[/quote]
How hard did you claim at first and now when you found out he is Mareexaan arag siduu uga soo horjeestay.
Nothing so great about the man, 10's of thousands of poor women and childern were sold to slavery as far as India.
There is nothing speacial about the maniac.[/quote]
How hard did you claim at first and now when you found out he is Mareexaan arag siduu uga soo horjeestay.
-
- Similar Topics
- Replies
- Views
- Last post
-
- 3 Replies
- 913 Views
-
Last post by Somaliman50
-
- 5 Replies
- 794 Views
-
Last post by Khalid 5
-
- 1 Replies
- 660 Views
-
Last post by HooBariiska
-
- 11 Replies
- 2954 Views
-
Last post by noer
-
- 2 Replies
- 2202 Views
-
Last post by DR-YALAXOOW
-
- 2 Replies
- 737 Views
-
Last post by quark
-
- 5 Replies
- 1038 Views
-
Last post by FBISOMALIA
-
- 2 Replies
- 792 Views
-
Last post by LobsterUnit
-
- 22 Replies
- 2355 Views
-
Last post by new-york23
-
- 1 Replies
- 570 Views
-
Last post by kenyan4life