Koonfur Shir: HG, Abgal, MX, MJ, Soo Gala......

[Luq_Ganane]

Somaliweyn,

I couple of lines would of sufficed, nontheless thanks for posting, lol...As for why I didn't include the 'Muloduud' umbrella, Wallahi it was only because I felt Abgal is the only relevent party in Muloduud, therefore no reason to use teh whole umbrella addressing groups that there isn't really anything to talk about. I didn't have 'sinister intentions' at all, but it is the understanding of I and many Somalis that your particular subclan in Muloduud isn't a signifigant stakeholder, and in that we don't mean any offense. Btw, I never knew this 'Udujeen' snub would bring such a wide range of feelings from you, but I aplogize for the bruised feelings nontheless, and you're welcome to contribute like everybody else instead of taking afront to a title sxb...



So in summing up, it looks like the Religion aspect will play a big role in Somali's future.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"][quote="Somaliweyn"
As for Udejeen, we have nothing to gain from lawlessness and anarchy, and everything to gain from peace and restored Somalia. Also, when the name ''Mudulood'' is dropped there is nothing standing between us and HG.[/quote]


Couple of small modifications. First its not fitting for a HG to have any signifigant dealing with an Ujujeen. It wouldn't even be fitting for agoon or Cali Madaxweyne of Xawaadle to do so let alone HG. Also like as some other subclans have unfortunately 'gained something from lawlessness and anarchy' Ujujeen have not gained anything, not out of 'righteousness' but because they were powerless to do so, and you know that fully well. Also I think its great that you're representing Udujeen. When I'm in Somali circles I rep Marexaan, when I'm in Marexaan circles I rep Cali Xusayn etc...

That being said I could see how you as an Udujeen would cling to Muloduud or to Hawiye however know that you won't get any serious response from us speaking from that humble platform. Heck you won't get any response at at all, lool...

That being said, although Ujujeen was left out of the title of the thread because of lack of revelance, you're still more than welcome to bring contributions to the table as you have, lool....

*Af Libaax aka Somaliweyn will report to this thread imminently if he hasn't already done so, with a "retort" *

looooooooooooooooooooooool.[/quote]

If land grabbing is any measure of a clan's power, then Ujaydeen control Shangani in xamar. also, saying that Ujaydeen couldnt fight with xawadle is very silly. Get your history striaght before making silly comments.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Somaliweyn"]Luq,

I knew your intention before even opening this silly thread. We both know the pacification of Mogadishu and Southern Somalia involves mostly Hawiye subclans and their neighbours. Your group was brought by Ceyr to Kismanyo, and the city will return to its rightfull owners. Then you'll go back to the periperhy and organize shirs with yourself to figure out how to pacify the ghetto.

Also, don't you just hate that Abgal (the backbone of Mudulood) is always bringing up the Mudulood crew in every political debate? If we look at the issue of Mudulood, it is indeed the largest clan within this grouping that is using the name. Hence, why people like T-L, Noangst, Dr.Yalaxow, Kadare use the Mudulood name. You want to divide the group and isolate the political savvy ones in order to deny Mudulood its rightfull leading position within Somalia. Fortunately, your attempt will stay on Somnet. Since we all know how Mudulood men were on the forefront in the creation of the Somali Republic, and since then were on the forefront.

But what would you know about the history and warmly brother relationship existing between Mudulood subclans?

''Also like as some other subclans have unfortunately 'gained something from lawlessness and anarchy' Ujujeen have not gained anything, not out of 'righteousness' but because they were powerless to do so''

I can say no one benefitted from the lawlessness and anarchy. If you think having a district on lockdown and having a few checkpoints is something to be proud of, well so did Udejeen. Shangaani was controlled by the group, so were a couple of checkpoints. But is this gaining or losing? Udejeen has its dignity, we can not feel proud because of criminal activities, we look always at the big picture: like statebuilding. Hence, why I said: we have nothing to gain from lawlessness and anarchy. You know nothing yet you want to debate with me? Did you know that when Udejeen drops the ''Mudulood'' name we can get along with every Hawiye subclan, because we are respected. I remember how Gen.Aideed would come to Udejeen elders and say that his fight was only with Ali Mahdi/Abgal. Why would HG come to us at their height? It is because in 1991, when Hawiye subclans like Udejeen, Gaaljecel, HG, Xawaadle, Shiiqaal, Murusade etc flooded into Mogadishu, everyone was present when the 4 months war erupted. Gen Aideed had the support of most of Hawiye subclans, the only one left was Udejeen, hence why he wanted to secure our support in order for him to have significant Hawiye support.

But what would you know about inter-Hawiye affaires?


I know your silly attempt at isolating me in order to fantasize about been prominent is going nowhere. As I said many times, I bust myths. And this wet dream of been prominent in Konfur issues will only stay in Somnet.
In real life, you are not prominent, since the only thing (Kismanyo) keeping you prominent will dissapear soon and return to the local groups.

Justice shall eventually prevail. No more lawlessness, no more anarchy and no more landoccupation/expansion.[/quote]

Excellent reply! Two Thumbs waay up!

[Luq_Ganane]

And here comes Twisted riding in to save his comrad to make him seem signigicant loool.........

Btw, I'm not going to say anything on those posts to to lack of substantion, but Wallahi I laughed out loud at work right now, when you mentioned Shangaani, a famous cadcad neighborhood of which I know many people from there. So vying against poor Xamar cadcad for control of a insignificant little neighborhood is considered "land grabbing"? You did Udujeen a disservice wit that statement Twisted an made them seem even more insignigant. looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

I love Somalinet, lol.................

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]And here comes Twisted riding in to save his comrad loool.........

Btw, I'm not going to say anything on those posts to to lack of substantion, but Wallahi I laughed out loud when you mentioned Shangaani, a famous cadcad neighborhood. So vying against Xamar cadcad for control of a insignificant little neighborhood is considered "land grabbing"? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool[/quote]

Do you even know the strategic importance of Shangaani? It right on the green line. Again I wouldnt expect you to know that. But i have a problem when you make yourself look a fool. I know you are better than that. Stop making a mockery of yourself

[Luq_Ganane]

Twisted,

Wasn't the greenline dismantled in '95? I don't know which year but I know for a fact it was dismantled while Caydid aun was alive, lol.....

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]Twisted,

Wasn't the greenline dismantled in '95? I don't know which year but I know for a fact it was dismantled while Caydid aun was alive, lol.....[/quote]

That's beside the point. Ujaydeen moved into Shangaani at the height of the war. In fact, during the war, every mudulood subclan was given a turf to hold. Ujaydeen were given Shangaani Wacesley were given Towfiq and Wacbudhan and Harti Abgal were given other areas. It was all timed and planned. That's why i said Ujaydeen held their strategic turf and continued to defend it. So when you said Ujaydeen lost everything during the civil war, I found your statement very silly!

[Somaliweyn]

Luq, As I said many times, if you do not have knowledge about something do not go into debate.

Shangaani and all city centre districts were the first line of war during the 4 months war. Udejeen had many skirmishes with Salabeen militia vying for the control of checkpoints and city districts. Xamar cadcads were not armed, and preferred to live under the domains of Mudulood then HG. NO significant crimes or injustices have happened within Shangaani and other Mudulood controlled districs.

Again, what do you know about post-1991 history of Mudulood? The firm stand during the 4 months conflict is what saved us from the ugly occupation of ghetto.

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="Luq_Ganane"]So when you said Ujaydeen lost everything during the civil war, I found your statement very silly![/quote]



Saaxib, I didn't say they lost anything. I just called out the false pretense Somaliweyn said about not grabbling lands out of compassion and respect for Somalia, to which I said you didn't go out and grab lands because you simply wern't capable. No insult there. It was that false sense of self righteousness which was meant to mask a lack of capability to have done something in the first place. Anyway heres my thing: I'm not going to insult Udujeen speakiing to a Abgal, and I'm not going to insult Abgal speaking to an Udujeen. However quite frankly the only Udujeen I've heard of or coversed with in my entire life was Somaliweyn Wallahi, and I otherwise wouldn't have any other reason to do so. Do you understand the jyst of my post?

[Somaliweyn]

''I'm not going to insult Udujeen speakiing to a Abgal, and I'm not going to insult Abgal speaking to an Udujeen.''

looooooooooooooool

First it was dividing Mudulood into subclans, now the tactic has backfired it is: I do not want to insult Udejeen because an Abgal person defends the group, and I do not want to insult Abgal because an Udejeen person defends the group.

Why all that trouble, use the Mudulood grouping and save yourself this complex situation you are in now lol.

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Twisted-Logic,

Have you noticed how no Mudulood subclan lost one inch of the territory they were given to defend? Like Medina/Waaberi under Wacbuudan, Bermuuda in Hodan under Wacbuudan/Harti and other Abgal, Towfiiq in Yaaqshid under Waceslye, Shangaani under Udejeen, Kaaran under Abgal subclans etc.

The same ones that lost an entire region and were chased all the way into Kenya want to talk to us and pretend they are prominent.

[Voltage]

Luq, I have said more "Mudulood" on this forum than I have ever had in my life. Lolz

[Luq_Ganane]

The thread is here any for everybody to see. I didn't, haven't and am not going to insult Udujeen, due to the fact that theres nothing I as Marexaan have to address to them. Before we go furthur lets LOOK at the sequence of how this started. We were carrying on and everybody was contributing nicely. It was a great thread. Then Somaliweyn barges in and throws a tantrum accusing me of having an "agenda" and "twisted intentions" in the title of my thread. lol. Now any logical person I ask you: IS THAT NOT BEING SEVERELY INSECURE? LOL. However I gracefully ingnored the tantrum and thanked him for his input or lack threreof. My thread had a reconciliatory nature and I wasn't and still am not goint to get away from that spirit. After a couple of posts I let Somaliweyn know this principle but maybe not the same exact wording: When I talk to HG, Abgal I'm talking about them NOT because I have an "agenda against Udujeen" (Laughable, LOL) but for nation building purposes. I see Xamar as the inferno in Somalia that needs to be pacified. When I think about Xamar I think about Abgal and HG, not Ujujeen. Insult? Hardly. As for my clan, Wallahi its not because I'm "Bigging up" my clan, but lets be real: Marexaan control the second capitol of Italian Somalia as well as the extremely important surrounding region so they ARE one of the biggest stakeholders in Southern Somalia. As for Majerten, well the President sitting in Villa Somalia is Majerten, so there another stakeholder. There you go. However it is my opinion the chip Somaliweyn has on his shoulder due to all the "insignifigant" statements people have made, have taken its toll, and caused him to lash out. Somaliweyn, your self worth and self esteem issues shold in no way cause you to lose dignity and act like a child my friend. The fact remains that you took big offense to the title, for reasons you and I both know well. Fix up saaxib because its not a big deal. lool...

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="Voltage"]Luq, I have said more "Mudulood" on this forum than I have ever had in my life. Lolz[/quote]


Voltage, my best friend who's Wacaysle looked at me one time and said 'don't call me Abgal, I'm Wacaysle' kawaran, and Abgal is a subgrup of Muloduud. Here you have the oppositte case, yaab badnaa, looool.

Rule of the thumb, people who can stand on their own never claim the group, only themselves, lolz.

[Somaliweyn]

Luq,

Do you have problems with understanding or do you like to dance in circles?

AS I said: In politics, there is only Mudulood.

For other things, the name does not exist. In real life, people identify themselves as accurately as possible, no need for groupings. I haven't come across an Udejeen person identifying himself based on the political grouping of Mudulood lol. Also the same for Abgaal, but since Abgal is numerous, its normal for Abgal person to say his sub sub sub clan.

So, tell me what are we discussing, politics or other daily stuff.

Again, are you dense or you like to dance in circles?

[Luq_Ganane]

lol...

Somaliweyn I'm gonna keep it very simple and get to the crux of the problem. You can think of me as your shrink for one post:

*WHY did you throw a tantrum out of disdain for the title, if it wasn't because you have a chip on your shoulder?*


You're like those kids who when the Parent says to one of their kids 'You come with me' the other kids screams and cries out 'I wanna go, I wanna go'. LOL...

If I was an Udujeen I wouldn't get angry at the title and the only thing I would do is whenever I read "Abgal" I would substitute "Muloduud" in my own head. However the problem is deeper with you, and again its that chip on your shoulder that caused you to go crazy when I called out "Abgal" and "Muloduud" which you surely would have liked, lool...I swear if one were to make a thread and say "Waghardhac" "Reer Xassan" "Reer Diini" etc. SUBCLANS of Marexaan I wouldn't get upset as they are my brothers no matter how anybody else from a different clan refers to them.