Reading the Bible

[abdalla11]

But are todays Christians considered Ahlul Kitaab?

That is a question you should ask a scholar, lakiin many of them don't follow their teachings but there are still some orthodox christians, Again that is a question for a scholar

[surrender]

But are todays Christians considered Ahlul Kitaab?

obviously no.

[manarab]

Well they are different, for example we are allowed to eat the meat slaughtered by ahlul kitaab ( christians and jews) but we are not allowed to eat the meat of idol worshippers, we are also allowed to marry the women of ahlul kitaab but it is forbidden to marry the women of mushrikeen

Not so. Christians slaughter and eat pigs. Jews eat kosher pork. Both do not slaughter according to Shariica. So, we Muslims aren't allowed to eat meat slaughtered and sold by Christians and Jews. Also, their women eat pork, drink alcohol and associate partners with Allah. A Muslim wouldn't even marry a Muslima who drinks alcohol, parties at night clubs, eats pork or products that contain lard; how is a Muslim supposed to marry a Christian/Jewish woman?

[Salahuddiin]

Hence the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) got angry when he saw a book in the hand of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) that he had taken from some of the People of the Book. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Are you in doubt of it, O son of al-Khattaab? By the One in Whose hand is my soul, I have brought to you that which is white and pure, and by the One in Whose hand is my soul, if Moosa (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) were alive, he could do nothing but follow me.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad (14736); classed as hasan by al-Albaani in al-Irwa’ (6/34).

so if you reading the bible to gain better understanding of why Christianity is the way it is, is ok i guess, but you have to have strong imaan and knowledge of Islam before you do that because at weak times shaydhaan preys on people and will create shaki in your heart.

Yeah, only someone with strong iman and firm and vast knowledge of Islam could read it in order to make dacwa to christians and refute them. There's not other reason than that, 'cos there's NO hidaaya nor benefit in there, but in contrary.
Everything Muslim needs is found from Qur'aan.

Normal person shouldn't read old and distorted scriptures, because sheytaan is not dead and can put doubts to his heart.

[BlackVelvet]

Abdalla In the end the observable similarities between the ways of worship of Christians today and Hindus holds.

[garowegal]

I read both the new and old testament, the latter was pretty familiar and the most interesting. The New Testament was pretty philosophical but interesting nevertheless, I don't think there is anything wrong with reading the bible. If you believe that reading or studying another religion would apostate you by default, then your faith isn't strong! If anything learning another religion makes you more tolerant of the world around you and also gives you an idea of the religion itself.

[kaasje7]

I reading bible

[garowegal]

But are todays Christians considered Ahlul Kitaab?

obviously no.

They are still the people of the book! whats the difference between the Christians of the past and the ones of the present? The fundamental view of Christianity is their belief that Christ is a divine being and i don't think that has changed.

[kaasje7]

But are todays Christians considered Ahlul Kitaab?

obviously no.

They are still the people of the book! whats the difference between the Christians of the past and the ones of the present? The fundamental view of Christianity is their belief that Christ is a divine being and i don't think that has changed.

sax

[abdalla11]

Well they are different, for example we are allowed to eat the meat slaughtered by ahlul kitaab ( christians and jews) but we are not allowed to eat the meat of idol worshippers, we are also allowed to marry the women of ahlul kitaab but it is forbidden to marry the women of mushrikeen

Not so. Christians slaughter and eat pigs. Jews eat kosher pork. Both do not slaughter according to Shariica. So, we Muslims aren't allowed to eat meat slaughtered and sold by Christians and Jews. Also, their women eat pork, drink alcohol and associate partners with Allah. A Muslim wouldn't even marry a Muslima who drinks alcohol, parties at night clubs, eats pork or products that contain lard; how is a Muslim supposed to marry a Christian/Jewish woman?

I was trying to point about the differences between Ahlul Kitaab and the idol worshippers, ahlul kitaab are closer to us than those idol worshippers. As for eating their meat and marrying their women, it is mentioned in the qur'aan and the sunnah. But i am talking about those who still holds on the fundamentals of their believes, not those who just claim to be christian or jew

[surrender]

They are still the people of the book! whats the difference between the Christians of the past and the ones of the present? The fundamental view of Christianity is their belief that Christ is a divine being and i don't think that has changed.

sax[/quote]


not exactly Ehlul Kittab means people of the book, which book(s)? The books Allah sent to Prophet Musa as Prophet Isa as? are those books still here today? Do they use these book? Answer is no, which means there are no ‘people of the book left’ because what they have today isn’t the actual books of Isa and Musa, what they call Christianity and Judaism arent the original religions of Musa and Isa.

[Shirib]

okay thanks guys, but i was more in line with Yungnfresh, in that i wanted evidence, not what your personal feelings are, and only abdalla has posted any evidence thus far

Hence the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) got angry when he saw a book in the hand of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) that he had taken from some of the People of the Book. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Are you in doubt of it, O son of al-Khattaab? By the One in Whose hand is my soul, I have brought to you that which is white and pure, and by the One in Whose hand is my soul, if Moosa (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) were alive, he could do nothing but follow me.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad (14736); classed as hasan by al-Albaani in al-Irwa’ (6/34).

Now here is my question, what is hasan? The hadith is classed as hasan, by sheik Albaani, so what does that mean

[grandpakhalif]

But are todays Christians considered Ahlul Kitaab?

obviously no.

are are women always against the marriage of Ahlul Kitaab, jealous much?

[surrender]

But are todays Christians considered Ahlul Kitaab?

obviously no.

are are women always against the marriage of Ahlul Kitaab, jealous much?

Doesn’t make sense. Rephrase.

[garowegal]

Christianity is the belief that Jesus is a divine being thats where the name is derived from, How could they be people of the books in ancient times when they still believed Christ was God and not in present times?. There were no Christians during the time of Jesus, even after him the original Christians still considered themselves Jews. During the prophets time they were regarded as people of the book, and thats around the same time when they were still writing the bible.