Plagued by questions --

[Mochatanya]

If a masjid is vandalised, and the perpetrators are caught, and they turn out to be Catholics, should we go and vandalise a church?

Why then, when a Muslim commits a crime, people are quick to want revenge against Muslims, innocent or not?

Why then, when a Muslim commits a crime, people take revenge on people who had nothing to do with it?

Why do innocent Muslim men get locked up for the barbaric crimes of other Muslims?

Why do people take Quranic verses out of context to show that 'Islam is a religion of violence?

Why are some Muslims celebrating the death of innocent people?

Why do others look at what happened in London as 'insignificant'?

If a Christian commits and act of terror, caushing death to many, and injury to hundreds, many of whom are Muslim, why do we never hear of their religion?

People poke me and say 'it was YOUR co-religionists' -- 'they followed YOUR Holy Book'... So the **** what? We follow the same book, but do I murder innocent people? Does the majority of the Muslim population around the world commit acts of terror? Is the majority blood-thirsty? NO.

Stop saying 'it was YOUR co-religionists' ... I really don't care WHO it was, all I hope is that WHOEVER they are, they are brought to JUSTICE.

The next time I hear of a big criminal case, should I jump on Somalinet, devote a topic to the kuffar and say 'it was YOUR co-religionists.. I'm going to go and burn down a scientific faculty or a church because of what YOUR co religionists did.. I'm going to utter foul words at YOUR co-religionists because of what they did... I'm going to be impolite to them, I'm going to look down at them, I'm not going to let my children hang around with, I'm going to avoid their businesses.....' No... I shouldn't and I wouldn't. I'm not as close minded as many of them have proven themselves to be.
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If they ask my opinion about these so called 'Muslim' terrorist attacks, I will give it to them straight up, but why should I apologise?

Did I do something wrong? If a Muslim woman bumps in to a disbeliever on the street without apologising, am I going to chase the disbeliever and do it for her? **** no. I might glare at the Muslim woman and give her polite advice about the ettiquite of the street, but I won't apologise for others. Maybe when I have children, and they're being noisy, I'll apologise to those around, but other than that. NO.

I want justice against oppressors everywhere brought just as much as the next person.

But just because they read the same Quran as me, doesn't mean me, my brothers, my uncles, my father, my grandfather or anyone else in my family must suffer.

-Mocha

[PragmaticGal]

I totally agree. What idiots are blaming you for the acts of a few lunatics?

And if they are, why do you care? They are ignorant f#cks.

[Mochatanya]

Pragmatic- It happens. Hate crimes towards Muslims always increase after this type of thing. I'm glad to see that you are more open minded than the other non- Muslims on this site

[Quruxley]

I agree with Pragmatical....Mocha ha u bixin if they are that idiotic and narrow minded to begin with.They should not be worth a second thought.Just keep that head held high knowing that you are a peaceful Muslim sister and your heart is in the right place.Eff the rest.

[Pink-Panther]

If those people who vandalized the mosque are white, it will most likely be called a hate crime, but if they are sri lankan it probably won't be. There are double standards every where. You shouldn't have to apologize for what other muslims did because to apologize means to admit guilt. At the same time, we shouldn't except every white person to apologize to us when a muslim is harassed or when a mosque is desecrated.

[Mochatanya]

I don't expect every non believer to apologise, when they did nothing wrong. On the same point, an innocent Muslim shouldn't be expected to apologise when another Muslim commits a crime. We did nothing wrong.

[dhuusa_deer]

Mochatanya,

"If a masjid is vandalised, and the perpetrators are caught, and they turn out to be Catholics, should we go and vandalise a church?"

No, but vandalising a church is understandable although wrong.

"Why then, when a Muslim commits a crime, people are quick to want revenge against Muslims, innocent or not?"

That is animalistic human instinct at work. When you are threaten, you automatically set up 'us' and 'them' world, where you lump everyone together. Again its understandable, it has precedent but ultimately it is wrong.

"Why then, when a Muslim commits a crime, people take revenge on people who had nothing to do with it?"

You are generalising and you know it. In fact, you are guilty of what you're complaining about. Not everyone attacks muslims after a muslim commits a crime. And why those who do attack muslims do so is a question that can best be answered by them.

"Why do innocent Muslim mem get locked up for the barbaric crimes of other Muslims?"

What innocent muslim men? Most muslim men who are locked up are criminals. That is a fact you can't deny. I know some are detained unlawfully, mainly becuz there is no evidence to indict them YET. So releasing them is taken a chance that they may return or involve themselves in criminal activity. Usually most governments take the less risky option and keep them detained. I don't agree with it but sympathise with these governments as they are placed between a rock and hard place.

"Why do people take Quranic verses out of context to show that 'Islam is a religion of violence?"

Becuz the muslims that commit terrorism use the quran as their inspiration. They say so. That is enough of a reason to take a look at the quran and what it says. In my opinion the violence prescribed in the Quran is rarily discussed in the media. Political correctness cultures prevents that. This doesn't help the war on terrorism. The quran like the bible should be openly analysed and criticised where due. Up to now there is simply alot myth and misunderstanding about what it says even among muslims.

"If a Christian commits and act of terror, caushing death to many, and injury to hundreds, many of whom are Muslim, why do we never hear of their religion?"

Who are these christians. Most of the west is SECULAR. Find my christians rampaging and killing others in the name of christianity. You can cite christian serbs although that conflict had other reasons. The other case you can site is the crusaders. But the US is NOT a christian country. Where are these christians killing muslims?

"People poke me and say 'it was YOUR co-religionists' -- 'they followed YOUR Holy Book'... So the **** what? We follow the same book, but do I murder innocent people? Does the majority of the Muslim population around the world commit acts of terror? Is the majority blood-thirsty? NO."

You are being dishonest to suggest that you shouldn't be questioned after a terroristic act was carried out by your co-religionist. Your co-religionist say they carry out their actions in the name of Islam and for ALL muslims. You shouldn't be held responsible but questioning is perfectly legit.

"Stop saying 'it was YOUR co-religionists' ... I really don't care WHO it was, all I hope is that WHOEVER they are, they are brought to JUSTICE."

The question is do you support what your co-religionist did? If so, then you ARE a threat.

"The next time I hear of a big criminal case, should I jump on Somalinet, devote a topic to the kuffar and say 'it was YOUR co-religionists"

You can do it if you like.

"I'm going to go and burn down a scientific faculty of a church because of what YOUR co religionists did"

What is scientific faculty church? It wouldn't bother me if you burnt down all the churches in the world.

"I'm going to utter foul words at YOUR co-religionists because of what they did"

Cut out the acting. The reason that you and the action of your co-religionist are linked is becuz you share a faith.

"I'm going to be impolite to them, I'm going to look down at them, I'm not going to let my children hang around with, I'm going to avoid their businesses"

Most muslims I know are impolite, mean, unkind and hateful towards those of differing opinions/faiths. But it doesnt mean every muslim is a bad muslim. Don't generalise.

"If they ask my opinion about these so called 'Muslim' terrorist attacks, I will give it to them straight up, but why should I apologise?"

You should apologise if you represent Islam. For example if you are Imaam of a mosque you should apologise and explain to the public that criminal behaviour of few is not shared or condoned by Islam. That in fact is to the advantage of muslims. You as individual should also apologise becuz you are representative of your faith. You should apologise not by accepting guilt but by making what your religion condones and what it doesn't clear.

"If a Muslim woman bumps in to a disbeliever on the street without apologising, am I going to chase the disbeliever and do it for her?"

You are comparing apples and oranges here. On hand you have Islamic terrorist groups who make it clear that they want to destroy the WEST and everyone living in it. Your example involves a wrong doing against an individual. Please note the distinction.

"Maybe when I have children, and they're being noisy, I'll apologise to those around, but other than that. NO."

I agree. When do you plan to have children?

"I want justice against oppressors everywhere brought just as much as the next person."

Good to hear you believe that.

"But just because they read the same Quran as me, doesn't mean me, my brothers, my uncles, my father, my grandfather or anyone else in my family must suffer."

They shouldn't but they might. That should the impetus to curtail these fanatics who go to the same mosques as your relatives go to, live among YOU and get help either knowingly or inadvertantly from your co-religionist. If you really care for your religion and its faithful, start a compaign of explelling the terrorists that hide among you. That is what I would. I don't know about you.

[Viking]

Mocha,
Only ignorant people who react this way. But the media does not help either; they are quick to blame Muslims, just like they did in Oklahoma only to find out the perpetrator was a white Christian male. Blair should have gone out and said something like... ANYONE WHO TARGETS MUSLIMS WOULD BE DEALT WITH SEVERELY.

[Mochatanya]

Viking- Very true, and not all non-Muslims are like this.. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists... I thought the mayor made a much better comment than Blair.. saying that the perpertrators sought to divide Londoners, and that Londoners will NOT be divided. It was obvious what he was refferring to (Muslims and non-Muslims), and he got a better message across than B-Liar.

[Viking]

Mocha,
Ken Livingstone has a much better reputation. He defended Sheikh Qaradawi (a moderate in western standards) when the Jewish lobbyists and media went crazy and accused him of "supporting suicide bombers". The mayor stood his ground and earned a lot respect from Muslims.

[Mochatanya]

Viking- I'm not a Brit but I could see this guy wasn't like the rest, from the tone of his voice and his choice of words. Anyway, even if he is not Muslim, Londoners should consider themselves lucky, not every leader (no matter how large/small scale) is that open minded...

[Quruxley]

Mocha yeah Ken Livingstone made a very valid speech.I like that dude....But we have in Britain your typical uneducated,common,ignorant,condesending social working class.Viking I'm sure is familar with what I'm talking about.It doesn't help when literacy challenged hooligans live by every word Virginia street prints out for that pathetic excuse of a 'newspaper' The sun.The media sometimes spews out such gashin.Goodness...Why cant everyone read from a more articulate and factual source of news?I mean is it really that hard?

[Mochatanya]

In Australia we have the same kind of people, I would like Australians to remember that only by their acts of terror did they settle in this land, when they slaughtered Aborigines mercilessly, stole small children away from Aborigine families and claimed their land unlawfully.

[Quruxley]

Mocha that's a familar tale for the Native Americans,Maoris ect .....Hence the 'ignorance'...Condesending twats it dhiiga haa iga kakaranin please they make me so mad

[Mochatanya]

Condescending indeed. I can't stand the ignorance that eminates from them, I have white Australians telling me to 'go back' to my own country. I should say the exact same thing to them. This is Allah's earth and I can live wherever I want.