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Re: Dr. Braun : Black people are savages and less intelligen

Postby X.Playa » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:46 pm

Who the hell is this Dr Braun?? he sounds a paki or an Arab.

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Re: Dr. Braun : Black people are savages and less intelligen

Postby Basra- » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:47 pm

Who the hell is this Dr Braun?? he sounds a paki or an Arab.

The grande idiote is in the house! :dj:

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Postby Tanker » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:48 pm

His evidence is the fact that not one single african nation is Industrilized and has a high living stanard, not one single african Industry company is exporting to Asia/Europe/USA

Not one single African nation is providing qaulity, Education, Health care, Jobs, Housing to its people.

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Postby Tanker » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:56 pm

Who the hell is this Dr Braun?? he sounds a paki or an Arab.
he is a Jewish American professor of philosophy, an American who taught philosophy in several African universities from 1976 to 1988,

Dr. Braun has lived in Africa with only brief interruptions since 1976 and in South Africa since 1988.

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Postby talxenegus » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:11 pm

His evidence is the fact that not one single african nation is Industrilized and has a high living stanard, not one single african Industry company is exporting to Asia/Europe/USA

Not one single African nation is providing qaulity, Education, Health care, Jobs, Housing to its people.
What about South Africa? Is it not doing relatively well developed? Plus, if we say that Whites are far more compasionate due to their colour and beauty then that would mean that the whites differ in being compassion depending on HOW WHITE they are. The lowest levelled compassion would be a very very black person and the highest would be an White people or an Albino. But Aren't Albinos found in the negroid race aswell.....hmmmm. So can we state for a fact that Albino Africans are more comapssionate then black Africans? What about the corruption of Latinos and their disability to become industriilized, and what about East- European people.

Rascism is worst when it reaches scientific proportions

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Postby Tanker » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:17 pm

The only reason why South Africa is doing good is because of 5 million whites running the country :lol:

all countries in Latina America is Industrilized the same with Eastern Europe

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Postby Adali » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:23 pm

both blacks and whites are spineless...Somalis are not.

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Postby Tanker » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:25 pm

both blacks and whites are spineless...Somalis are not.
Somalis are black africans, and we have been without a government and country in 22 years.

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Postby Tanker » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:31 pm

Dr Braun :


To begin with, there is ample evidence that African blacks feel inferior to whites. The reasons for this are not hard to understand: In most of the ways that count in today’s world, blacks as a group are generally less able than whites and are not so foolish as to fail to recognize this. Most Africans are indifferent to the emotionally charged refusals by whites — typically those with the least contact with blacks — to recognize racial differences. My own basis for saying that blacks accept these differences is my experience of talking to hundreds of Africans. However, one fairly typical piece of “objective” evidence can be found in this statement by two militant black American psychiatrists, William H. Grier and Price M. Cobbs, in their book Black Rage:

“The fact of the matter is that black people are inclined to regard the white man as superior. There are examples without number in the patois and the everyday behavior of millions of blacks which speak for the fact that they do indeed feel that the white man is intrinsically better.” (p. 191.)

One discovery I made living in black Africa is that virtually all blacks unaffected by liberal egalitarian ideology not only recognize this inequality but are not in the least bothered by it! I say this after countless conversations with blacks all over the indigenous black world. Ask any African why blacks can’t, for example, make airplanes or computers and he’ll look at you as if you were foolish for asking, since the answer is obvious: “The white man has the brain for it and we don’t!”

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Postby Adali » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:32 pm

both blacks and whites are spineless...Somalis are not.
Somalis are black africans, and we have been without a government and country in 22 years.
Somalia was destroyed by your uncles ssdf(puntland) and others, and here you are further soiling the good name of my country. :pacspit:

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Postby Tanker » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:34 pm

Dr Braun :

When I was in Johannesburg in January 1986, the mammoth Johannesburg General Hospital was for whites only. “Jo’burg Gen” was very impressive. The nursing staff was white, as were the medical and administrative staffs. It was clean and well-run. The previous white hospital, near the city center, served blacks.

What has happened under the “new dispensation?” Conditions have deteriorated dramatically. Patient infection rates have skyrocketed and theft of supplies is rampant. Discipline among the nearly all-black nursing and maintenance staff is virtually nonexistent — they simply will not work. Patients sometimes go without clean sheets. A rabbi friend, a chaplain at Jo’burg Gen, says it is not uncommon now for patients to die because of nurses’ incompetence and indifference. I have seen for myself that cockroaches have untrammeled right of access.

There was recently a call by the Minister of Health, a black woman, for entering classes of medical students to reflect demographics — for 76 percent to be black regardless of merit. From a black standpoint, this makes perfect sense. Western medicine is, to Africans, the white man’s witchcraft rather than a disciplined body of knowledge and practices. Blacks think of a medical “degree” as a magic talisman with which they can heal the sick and become wealthy and powerful. Since this piece of paper in and of itself has the power to heal, it doesn’t matter how you get it; it certainly doesn’t matter what abilities or aptitudes you may have or what, if anything, you have learned in order to get it.

Was the old system of segregated hospitals morally justified? Needless to say, the vast majority of Americans would find the idea morally indefensible, but after twelve years in black countries it struck me as the merest common sense. Considering the demographics of South Africa — five million whites and over 30 million blacks — was it possible for the minority to provide medical care for blacks equal in quality to what they provided for themselves? Given that all the resources, aside from manual labor, would have to come from this small white minority, it seems obvious that it was not.

Moreover, it is not clear that whites were under any obligation — even ideally — to do so. If they had somehow prevented blacks from developing their own health care systems, that would be a different matter. But it is obvious this was not the case, since where blacks have all the resources they need (as in Nigeria, for example), medical care is a nightmare, as it is wherever blacks are responsible for providing it.

It might be argued, however, that whites had an obligation to provide at least some care for blacks, perhaps the best whites could afford. But this is basically what they did, either in separate hospitals or in separate sections of white hospitals. I have seen some of these, prior to 1990, and they were vastly superior to anything you would find in black Africa.

The relevant analogy is of a wealthy man with a good-for-nothing brother with indigent children. Does he have an obligation to help them? Perhaps. Does he have an obligation to see that they are as well off as his own children? I don’t think so. The guiding principle here is beggars can’t be choosers. Given their useless father, his children simply have to accept whatever their uncle chooses to give them and be grateful for it.

Similarly, if blacks were capable of providing decent health care they would have long ago been doing so, as have the Indians in South Africa, despite being subject to levels of discrimination almost equal to those of blacks. But their utter failure to do so anywhere in the world suggests that blacks are incapable of it. Therefore, since whites are providing the health care, it is surely up to them if they wish to keep the facilities separate.

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Postby Tanker » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:42 pm

Dr Braun:

If blacks were capable of establishing an educational system they would have done so — as have the Indians.

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Postby talxenegus » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:05 pm

"How clean were the bodies behind the frills? A sixteenth-century introduction pour less jeunes dames spoke of women 'who had no care to keep themselves clean except in those parts that may be seen, remaining filthy... under their ', and cynical proverb held that courtesans were the only women who washed more than their face and hands .Perhaps cleanliness increased with immorality, for as women offered more of themselves to view or to many, cleanliness enlarged its area."(Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, vol.6, p. 768).

When the Muslims, whether black or white, brought the enlightenment to Europe it was their Morals and Clean hearts that prevented them from believing that the Native Europeans were Disgusting by nature and that it was something inherently in them.

The only people who think like this are people who believe and worship the THEORY of Darwin. Basically, Africans are very low on the evolution ladder according to that theory. But that would not make sense because a few hundred years ago West-African muslims knew more about hygiene then Europeans. So whatever Mr Braun says fits in to the "whites are superior but jews rule them and are far more superior by nature". And any African that really buys this is a true monkey.

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Postby CushiticReflections » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:05 pm

His evidence is the fact that not one single african nation is Industrilized and has a high living stanard, not one single african Industry company is exporting to Asia/Europe/USA

Not one single African nation is providing qaulity, Education, Health care, Jobs, Housing to its people.
That is due to the continuation of an informal colonial international system. Rather than most African nations being directly ruled by a foreign power that claims dominance in that land, there is an informal system in its place. The actors in this system are multinational corporations, international institutions such as IMF and the World Bank, Western governments, and patrons in the so-called "Third World" that are often very corrupted and allowed to come into and remain in power by those in an advantageous position. These patrons, like some leaders puppeteered by European powers during the time of formal colonialism, are useful to outside powers by implementing laws that benefit those outside powers, prevent laws that put them at a disadvantage, and otherwise ensure that they are able to benefit and make as much profit as possible. This has led to the thorough corruption of many African governments, the provision of arms to groups in conflict in order to spur physical confrontations and war when useful, the resources of African nations being dominated by corporations based outside of the continent, the tax evasion of these corporations which cost many nations billions in income which would otherwise have gone to public spending (ie. education, infrastructure, healthcare, housing, etc), among many other issues frequent in poor nations. The wages of workers are kept low, corrupt leaders are the ones allowed to be in positions of federal power (that may affect the profit made by outsiders), the resources robbed, the environment polluted, and the riches of the continent are exported to the West or outside of Africa. This is due to the world economic and power structures implemented by the West and redefined by America after WWII during the Bretton Woods Conference which led to the establishment of the IMF and World Bank which ensure that the current power structures are maintained and enforced.

Did you know that after African nations incurred a great amount of debt? "In the 1960s and 1970s, African countries became indebted to international lenders as they accepted loans for political and economic stabilization in the post-independence era. In the context of the Cold War, and with massive revenue surpluses of oil money in Western banks in the 1970s, loans were made with little thought to their purpose or to their recipients' capacity to repay the debt." So in 1989, the Washington Consensus was presented. It was a set of economic measures imposed on vulnerable nations, especially African and other nations that have incurred crippling. The measures included marginalizing tax (for the benefit of foreign corporations), liberalization in order to allow foreign direct investment (which has had disastrous affects), enforcement of property rights (again, to benefit foreign investors), trade liberalization (for the benefit of the more powerful nations), reduction in public expenditure (which means less spending for education, infrastructure, healthcare, and many other vital services), privatization (privatization of utilities tended to raise the cost of services beyond the citizens' ability to pay), among other measures. These nations also had to accept debt repayment enforcement in order to obtain aid.

It is only relatively recently when the debt of these nations have been granted the opportunity of reduction due to global protest. One such example is the HPIC which has been heavily criticized; "critics attacked HIPC as a program designed by creditors to protect creditor interests, leaving countries with unsustainable debt burdens even upon reaching the decision point" and a large debt still remains. In fact, Africa's debt is higher than that of any developing region - "it carries 11% of the developing world's debt, with only 5% of its income. GNP in sub-Saharan Africa is $308 per capita, while external debt stands at $365 per capita". According to Alan Whaites, World Vision’s director of international policy: “Without debt relief,” says Mr. Whaites, “these countries will remain shackled to the constraints of post-conflict economic stagnation without the means to rise to viability.”

In the 21st century, debt repayments were larger than debt loans. 'The 48 countries of sub-Saharan Africa spend approximately $13.5 billion every year (1) repaying debts to rich foreign creditors for past loans of questionable legitimacy. These debt repayments divert money directly from basic human needs such as health care and education, and fundamentally undermine African governments' fight against the AIDS pandemic and their efforts to promote sustainable development. The All-Africa Conference of Churches has called Africa's massive foreign debt burden "a new form of slavery, as vicious as the slave trade".'

Due to these forces that ensure that poverty is maintained in many nations of Africa due to the aforementioned factors, basic human needs are barely met, so how could industrialization occur when such poverty exists on a wide scale? Also, the fact that Africa is not prospering as it could through exportations of our resources may be due to the fact that non-African-based corporations dominate and profit from many African nations' resources.

So while Africa is still struggling, it is due to the oppressive, exploitative measures, policies, and systems that have been established and enforced by non-African powers. Rather than it being proof of the supposed inferiority of Africans or blacks, it rather exhibits the exploitative, unjust, and unequal international structure of power.

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Re: Dr. Braun : Black people are savages and less intelligen

Postby Tanker » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:29 am

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I will thank you for taking part in the debate and useing good arguments :up:

I agree with what you writes and you have may good points BUT dont take resposibility away from us black africans we are too blame for many problems in our countries, look at the asian countries who was poor in the 60s and how they have developed, Africa has many enemies but we can also do alot to make pogress. We are not children.


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