Somalia VS Kenya (interesting article)

[XimanJaale]

I genuinely hate the Kenyans with passion. First they enter our country without no mandate back in September 2011 and Sheikh Shariff himself rejected their entrance, it was the former PM Cabdiwali Gaas that welcomed the Kenyan. It was just last year that there mandate was accepted by the United Nations. And they were included in the AMISOM mandate. Not only that the Kenyans have much higher authority than the Federal government in Kismaayo, they take the revenue of the seaport and accept the charcoal trade that the government banned. As a Somali nationalist I totally reject Kenyans meddelling in Somalia, and the sooner they leave the better. We already have issues with them regards to our maritime borders.

A popular Somali website published an article stating that during Somali President’s recent visit to Nairobi Kenya, the Somali president did not receive a proper presidential welcome at Nairobi’s Kenyatta International Airport. Somalia’s president, Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, was visiting Kenya for talks over a border dispute between the two countries. However, according to the website, Kenya and Somalia did not comment on the incident.

Jubaland (currently and officially known as Jubba) was at loggerheads in this year, 2013, with the Federal Government of Somalia because the Federal Government of Somalia refused to recognize Jubaland citing grounds that the Jubaland State was not inclusive at the State level at that time and was a puppet of Kenya as Kenyan troops were in Jubaland after a long battle aimed at ousting Al-Shabab. It was only recently when the government of Somalia officially recognized Jubaland as Jubba. However, Somalia’s diplomatic wrangle with Kenya over Jubba State seems to have not completely healed in the sense that Kenya has more influences on Jubba instead of Somalia’s Federal Government having the influences.

Somalia-Kenya border dispute is marital dispute and over the years, there were unconfirmed reports that the two countries were negotiating to solve the sea dispute problem.

There were also claims that Kenya is using Somalia’s Juba State bordering it as a baffer zone to repel Al-Shabab and to advance its interests as Kenya explores oil in its territories bordering Somalia. Kenya also wants to harness potential oil wealth in the seas close to Somalia and allegedly beyond in Somali territories.

If you look at different fronts, Somalia and Kenya share interests as two neighboring countries in the Horn of Africa. In contrast, the two countries seems to be in almost secret loathing as Kenyan troops are still in Southern Somalia and became a part of the African Union Force known as UNISOM which currently guards the weak Somali Federal Government against being toppled by Al-Shabab. Maybe ‘secret loathing’ is the right word because Somalia’s Federal Government is still suspicious of Kenya’s national interests as Kenya is a close ally of Somalia’s Jubba State.

In the article published by the above mentioned Somali website, there is a picture showing Somalia’s president, Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and Kenya’s president, Uhuru Kenyatta talking at same time with hand gestures and body language sending the message that the two leaders were not interested in each others’ point.

[original dervish]

In my opinion the Kenyans have done a splendid job in J/Land.

The weak & pathetic SFG would never have been able to liberate Kismayo in a hundred years....Kenya achieved this in a little over a year.
Now the citizens of the region can finally plan for development after twenty years of stagnation.

So it depends what perspective you take...if your pro govt...then you may see the Kenyan presence as negative..anti govt...then viceversa .

[XimanJaale]

In my opinion the Kenyans have done a splendid job in J/Land.

The weak & pathetic SFG would never have been able to liberate Kismayo in a hundred years....Kenya achieved this in a little over a year.
Now the citizens of the region can finally plan for development after twenty years of stagnation.

So it depends what perspective you take...if your pro govt...then you may see the Kenyan presence as negative..anti govt...then viceversa .

Actually it took the Kenyans 1 year to reach Kismaayo after their illegal invasion whilst indiscimately killing innocent people alongside the way.Besides that Kenyan didn't come to Somalia to liberate Kismaayo but for their own reason. Why are Kenya not liberating the other areas of Jubbaland then? Why did they stop their military movement? Answer me!

[Tonymontana11]

Fock Kenya and ethiopia.

[CilmiDoone]

I genuinely hate the Kenyans with passion. First they enter our country without no mandate back in September 2011 and Sheikh Shariff himself rejected their entrance...Not only that the Kenyans have much higher authority than the Federal government in Kismaayo, they take the revenue of the seaport and accept the charcoal trade that the government banned. As a Somali nationalist I totally reject Kenyans meddelling in Somalia, and the sooner they leave the better. We already have issues with them regards to our maritime borders.

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You may become a true Somali Natinoalist. But for now, save the crocodile tears because if you were a true Somali nationalist you would not engage in the petty qabyaa lad and divise clan-oriented approach to Somali politics for which you are known in Somalinet.

[XimanJaale]

You may become a true Somali Natinoalist. But for now, save the crocodile tears because if you were a true Somali nationalist you would not engage in the petty qabyaa lad and divise clan-oriented approach to Somali politics for which you are known in Somalinet.


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Have ur opinion on me. I really don't care, I truly know what I'am and thats a Somali nationalist.

[CilmiDoone]

You may become a true Somali Natinoalist. But for now, save the crocodile tears because if you were a true Somali nationalist you would not engage in the petty qabyaa lad and divise clan-oriented approach to Somali politics for which you are known in Somalinet.

Have ur opinion on me. I really don't care, I truly know what I'am and thats a Somali nationalist.[/quote]

Manshallah Then let your words, actions reflect that through your comments and threads. Say no to Qabyaalad.

[original dervish]

Ximaan.....we're all grown men here....there are no free lunches in this world.
Do you believe any of the foreigners operating throughout Somalia are there for altruistic reasons?

This is the reality of today's Somalia.
Kenya will soon be increasing their troops in J/Land.....this will be positive for stability in the region.

[XimanJaale]

Ximaan.....we're all grown men here....there are no free lunches in this world.
Do you believe any of the foreigners operating throughout Somalia are there for altruistic reasons?

This is the reality of today's Somalia.
Kenya will soon be increasing their troops in J/Land.....this will be positive for stability in the region.

How is a increase of Kenyan troops positive for the stability of the region? Can the present Kenyan troops even liberate the other remaining towns in Lower Jubba? People like your thoughts deserve to be hanged to death. If I had the opportunity I will hang you, wallahi I wish to hang you.

[Estarix]

I had opposed the kenyan invasion back in 2010 but i had thought somalia still retained some sovereign diginity, i realised after that though that foreign interventions would be the new game played by somali factions and the playground would be their clan regions.
If you were a true nationalist you would oppose all foreign intervention whether amisom or ethiopian but for political reasons you seem to only attack the kenayns.
Ill finish with dont hate the playas hate the game.

[The_Patriot]

There was never a Marexan nationalist.During colonial period they were all happily serving the Italians and British killing Somalis.

Was MSB a nationalist? He was a low ranking home guard happily working for gumeysigi Talyani.When he took over he favoured his subclan and promoted his geljire subclan clan to high ranking positions,they embezzelled funds and confisicated land an property those who stood against him were not only punished but the clans they came from were brutally treated.From Hargeisa to Kismaayo he displaced killed,raped,plundered the wealth of somalis where was the Somalinimo?

If Marexan hate Kenyans and are for real why dont they all leave Kenya and go back to Somalia? They all apply for Kenyan ID's,Passports and want to live the Kenyan dream while in Xamar Kilometre 4 they are farting and Cursing Kenya.

[guhad122]

One of the main reasons this once a great forum is losing its popularity has something to do with allowing trollers and hypocrites to post whatever they want. I think it is about a time to either ban XimanJaale or limit his nonsense and baseless postings.

Ethiopians killed close to 100 hundred innocent civilians in Mustaxiil few weeks ago, and the people who fed this fellow with propaganda and the misinformation don't have the guts to even mention the massacre in Mustaxiil. Ethiopians came in Beledweney and killed high ranking officials in the Masjid but you don't hear that from his masters. And by the way, it is the Ethiopians who protect the so-called Jabuutian forces who have yet to face a real combat. They setup the tents and the bases after the Ethiopians have liberated. The highest ranking officials in the Ugandan contingents have been caught selling AMISOM weapons to the enemies, and yet you don' hear that. The highest Ugandan commander of the AMISOM forces is actually on trial for bribery and various other misconducts and XimanJaale is so obsessed wight the Kenyans who have done more for Somalis than any other country in the world. Well the good news is the locals have welcomed the Kenyans and are working with them to liberate the rest of Jubbaland. Hopefully, the Kenyans and the Jubbaland forces can lend a hand to the abused and mistreated locals in Sh/hoose.

[Bermooda]

guhad122 the Kenyans are not your friend the people in Jubba don't support them neither. Heck even in Garissa if they had the power they would kick them out in heartbeat.

This is how i know Somalia (due to our selfish leaders) is finished and the rest of the occupied Somali region are forever gone. Those in Hargeisa have barricaded themselves. Garowe does the same when things don't go its way in Mogadishu.

Talking about Mogadishu some section relies on foreigners to keep them in power same in Kismayo and most of South/central . A SYL type revolution is needed if the Somali race is going to reverse this humiliation meaning the youth have to retake power from their slave mentality minded elders. Anyone above late 30's has to be forcefully made to step aside. SYL part 2

[original dervish]

Nah!.....too late.
Somalia will continue to be the the playground of foreigners and their Somali lackeys for generations.
The best we can hope for is to be little African colonies...whether Uganda, Kenyan or Ethiopian.

[original dervish]

Nah!.....too late.
Somalia will continue to be the the playground of foreigners and their Somali lackeys for generations.
The best we can hope for is to be little African colonies...whether Uganda, Kenyan or Ethiopian.