Turkey wants your Uranium and Oil

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

And they will get it cheaply because they built a few hospitals and schools. You heard it here first folks...

[Hodan94]

the turks were never trusted even during their empire...

like the british, the Somalis told them to stay on the coastal areas...
ppl at the time were very wary of them....

but at least they're better than the un, us, uk and so on...but still they're there for their own interests.

I honestly laugh when you call them walalaha turkiye.....in this world its self service not brotherhood..

[AbdiJohnson]

Even if Somalis were able to extract it by themselves, some govt officials would pocket all the revenue. None of it would go to the people. Or qabiil X and qabiil Y would fight over the rights of the resources.

Its still a lose-lose situation. Corruption and clan wars will continue for the next 500 years. I'm not pessimistic but a realist

I would make an agreement with the Turks. I'd let them have 50% of the resources for themselves. Sell it or consume it, I don't care. The remaining 50% is for the Somali people and I would put the Turks in charge with ofcourse Somali officials overseeing. This revenue is strictly for development. Schools, public services, bureaucracy, roads, bridges, orphanages, highways, homes for the poor, etc. I would have this for 10 years. The Turks will teach the Somalis to be honest and trustworthy in the process with the nation's money and resources.

I don't trust Somalis one bit. They are worse than the Westerners who come to exploit Somalis.


I am,

Abdi "Somalis need to accept this agreement" Johnson

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Even if Somalis were able to extract it by themselves, some govt officials would pocket all the revenue. None of it would go to the people. Or qabiil X and qabiil Y would fight over the rights of the resources.

Its still a lose-lose situation. Corruption and clan wars will continue for the next 500 years. I'm not pessimistic but a realist

I would make an agreement with the Turks. I'd let them have 50% of the resources for themselves. Sell it or consume it, I don't care. The remaining 50% is for the Somali people and I would put the Turks in charge with ofcourse Somali officials overseeing. This revenue is strictly for development. Schools, public services, bureaucracy, roads, bridges, orphanages, highways, homes for the poor, etc. I would have this for 10 years. The Turks will teach the Somalis to be honest and trustworthy in the process with the nation's money and resources.

I don't trust Somalis one bit. They are worse than the Westerners who come to exploit Somalis.


I am,

Abdi "Somalis need to accept this agreement" Johnson

Is this guy for real?

[Nomand]

Contract are under review every 20 years the Arabs started with only 15% of the oil while the rest went to western oil company, now they have 90% . But those times are gone it should be 70% to Somalia 30 % company and after 20 years we can increase our share.

[AbdiJohnson]

Some deals already in place are 75/25. This is the reality. Extracting takes a lot of effort, labor. Did you just expect the oil companies to get a couple of percent? It's not a charity. This is business

Either wait 1000 years until Somalis can extract it or you be humble and accept such deals. There's threats of clan wars popping off even in the safe areas and you expect the Turks to get some petty percentage? Their lives are at risk, they deserve danger pay. Hebel this might take 100 Turks hostage because they are drilling in their lands even though they got the go ahead from the elder of the same qabiil but from a different camp.

I took into consideration my people but also the business aspect with the 50/50 arrangement. We can all eat.

Somalis need to get the point that we don't have the upper hand. I would prefer we extract on our own but Somalis are in misery and poverty at the moment and besides, we cant extract it. I swallow my pride because we have no other choice. I want Somalis to prosper and won't have some misguided pride get in the way of Somalis succeeding. We can't demand everything we want when Somalis are eating their own shit for dinner. We have to make sacrifices at the moment.


I am,

Abdi "Now swallow that spit" Johnson

[Estarix]

For somalia pursuing a special relationship which involves establishing privileged economic deals with Turkey is a right step in repaying turkey for its assistance and good will towards somalia.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

If we can't extract it ourselves today, then we should leave it until we can. I am jn favour of Somalia's resources being left untouched until it has sufficient stability, institutions and expertise to exploit them. What you're suggesting is treason and is exactly the kind of short-sided, selfish mind-set that destroyed the country in the first place. The future of energy is nuclear, particularly fusion. We have all the leverage in the world. Somalis won't prosper by handing trillions of dollars worth of theyir national treasures and resources to ruthless foreign corporations for pennies.. Anyway, Somalis already have a million other issues to fix that should come first.

[FarhanYare]

For somalia pursuing a special relationship which involves establishing privileged economic deals with Turkey is a right step in repaying turkey for its assistance and good will towards somalia.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

For somalia pursuing a special relationship which involves establishing privileged economic deals with Turkey is a right step in repaying turkey for its assistance and good will towards somalia.

Adigu do you just regurgitate crap you learn in social studies, economics 101 and all the other bullshit liberal arts courses?

I give up. I am talking to people who accepted mafia-money to dump toxic waste in their own waters.

[AbdiJohnson]

It's not treason, its reality.

Listen, in ten years the contract can end. In that 10 years, Somalis will get the expertise and knowledge and equipment. We can't wait any longer. We are already behind as it is. We can't wait another 50 years and be in the same situation.

There's no shame in this temporary arrangement. Everything will be solved. There will be proper urban planning because we can finally invest in it. Our cities dont have to be zig zaging in satellite pictures. There will be roads in every corner. Our kids can have access to proper health care. The elderly can get medicine. People don't need to go hungry anymore. People will stop fighting. There will be jobs directly and indirectly from the resources being extracted. People will live in dignity

I am,

Abdi "Dont think about the temporary cons" Johnson

[Estarix]

What did you deduce from my comment?

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

It's not treason, its reality.

Listen, in ten years the contract can end. In that 10 years, Somalis will get the expertise and knowledge and equipment. We can't wait any longer. We are already behind as it is. We can't wait another 50 years and be in the same situation.

There's no shame in this temporary arrangement. Everything will be solved. There will be proper urban planning because we can finally invest in it. Our cities dont have to be zig zaging in satellite pictures. There will be roads in every corner. Our kids can have access to proper health care. The elderly can get medicine. People don't need to go hungry anymore. People will stop fighting. There will be jobs directly and indirectly from the resources being extracted. People will live in dignity

I am,

Abdi "Dont think about the temporary cons" Johnson

And what happens after ten years when none of those things are done and the little percentage we get in revenue from the minerals and resources are pocketed by corrupt politicians. When the majority of the benefits are taken by turkish corporations and other multinationals. What happens when your dream scenario never happens and Somalia just becomes another Congo or Zambia? You are advocating, in effect, the recolonisation of Somalia. Aqli cabiid.

[AbdiJohnson]

There will be systems in place. I suggested the Turks make sure our 50% share is spent on development and not in the hands of any politician. Politicians can see with their eyes, not their hands. There will be firms and Somali officials who oversee. I'm way ahead of you. I know how Somalis are. I personally got robbed by an uncle. I know how corrupt Somalis are, even those you share blood with.

My scenario will happen if they choose to accept it. Are you saying we won't learn and have the means to extract on our own in a decade?

You have to learn to swim and dedicate your years before you get to represent your country at the Olympics. You claim to be Michael Phelps but you'll drown in the shallow end

Liquid, take an economics and business course. You are economically illiterate

I am,

Abdi "There is a cost to the loss of opportunity" Johnson

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

No shit liquidhydro....