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Saying that people will do it anyways, is not a good reason to not ban it. Alcohol, drugs, prostitution, etc. need to all be banned.
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You would exchange teaching for something else. I teach you to fish, and you teach me to start a fire. I don't think this is much different than prostitution back in the day.zumaale wrote:Shirib, but we are talking a profession, an exchange of services. Not teaching for the sake of living.
Btw prositution didn't get that big till the advent of a system of money.
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Banning khamri, a bootlegger's dream!
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Bang on point Shirib 
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Skills such as fishing, starting a fire etc were a communal practice and would be acquired during the nurture process. Hypothetically speaking, if a fishing community encountered a farming community, yes, they would exchange skills However, within their own respective communities they would already have been exchanging goods and services for sex.Shirib wrote:You would exchange teaching for something else. I teach you to fish, and you teach me to start a fire. I don't think this is much different than prostitution back in the day.zumaale wrote:Shirib, but we are talking a profession, an exchange of services. Not teaching for the sake of living.
Btw prositution didn't get that big till the advent of a system of money.
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Most people referred to that trade and service for sex, marriage or some sort of. Prostitution where a woman would go to different men, exchanging goods for sex didn't become really come into play until the advent of a money system.zumaale wrote:Skills such as fishing, starting a fire etc were a communal practice and would be acquired during the nurture process. Hypothetically speaking, if a fishing community encountered a farming community, yes, they would exchange skills However, within their own respective communities they would already have been exchanging goods and services for sex.Shirib wrote:You would exchange teaching for something else. I teach you to fish, and you teach me to start a fire. I don't think this is much different than prostitution back in the day.zumaale wrote:Shirib, but we are talking a profession, an exchange of services. Not teaching for the sake of living.
Btw prositution didn't get that big till the advent of a system of money.
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Skills such as fishing, starting a fire etc were a communal practice and would be acquired during the nurture process. Hypothetically speaking, if a fishing community encountered a farming community, yes, they would exchange skills However, within their own respective communities they would already have been exchanging goods and services for sex.[/quote]Shirib wrote:
You would exchange teaching for something else. I teach you to fish, and you teach me to start a fire. I don't think this is much different than prostitution back in the day.
Btw prositution didn't get that big till the advent of a system of money.
Most people referred to that trade and service for sex, marriage or some sort of. Prostitution where a woman would go to different men, exchanging goods for sex didn't become really come into play until the advent of a money system.[/quote]
You are assuming past societies had the same values that a lot of societies share today and some sort of exclusive attitude to sex. The oldest and most basic form of human society is the Hunter-Gatherer society and in these societies, it is probable that goods were exchanged for sexual services. Is that not a form of prostitution?
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^^ In a hunter gatherer society, or most society's way back then, it was hard to find a woman, who would sleep with different men for food, shelter, etc. She would stay with one man. Women was the prized possession of men. She wouldn't go to another man.
Again the idea of prostitution where a woman worked to give sex as a service to random men in exchange for good, etc. did not come around till the advent of money.
Before that a woman would need food and shelter, and that was almost always provided by a single man.
Again the idea of prostitution where a woman worked to give sex as a service to random men in exchange for good, etc. did not come around till the advent of money.
Before that a woman would need food and shelter, and that was almost always provided by a single man.
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In the west, yes, however in somalia banning alcohol works just fine.no one will ever get rich from it and only asmall percentage use it. Prostitution isnt that common.amisom are changing culture though.barbarossa wrote:Banning khamri, a bootlegger's dream!
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It was not impossible to find a woman that would sleep with different men for whatever needs she had. You can argue it might not have been the norm but you cannot argue with the utmost conviction that prostitution did not occur in these societies.
It was not impossible to find a woman that would sleep with different men for whatever needs she had. You can argue it might not have been the norm but you cannot argue with the utmost conviction that prostitution did not occur in these societies.
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Sure it did, I wouldn't be opposed to saying that. But I would highly doubt, it came as a service and profession, before other trades. Again women were prized possessions, you would be hard pressed to find one. Prostitution was really much more enabled with the advent of money.zumaale wrote:Shirib
It was not impossible to find a woman that would sleep with different men for whatever needs she had. You can argue it might not have been the norm but you cannot argue with the utmost conviction that prostitution did not occur in these societies.
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As a person who has travelled the world, I can report that there is a link between poverty and prostitution. As long as we have inequalities (economic), there will be prostitution. Poverty in both absolute and relative terms. There are prostitutes that are in it to feed families; there are some that are in fact because of consumption; they may have food but they have needs that exceed wants. In East Asia, prostitution is not viewed as immoral; depends on how one defines it. In some parts of Africa, we have reverse prostitution; old white women travel to East Africa, the Gambia to prey on young men.
Developing countries that have "banned " it, hhave only driven it underground. Crime and abuse are common. Instead of banning it, a better strategy is to tackle the underlying mechanism; fight poverty and inequality. In the developed countries, e.g. Germany, Holland and some others, prostitution is legalised; there is healthcare ( mandatory screening), they pay tax and belong to a trade union.
In addition, vice, is an integral part of urban life. It will never end with a ban.
Somalia; in the years before the civil war, prostitution was tolerated if not allowed; we had f-king street and Buur Karoole in Xamar. Today, we do not have areas where prostitutes are clustered; does that mean SOmalia is free from prostitution? obviously not... my point is that you cannot ban human temptations..
P.s. visit Saudi Arabia and see how a ban on prostitution works. It is everyhwere in Jeddah and Riyadh.
Developing countries that have "banned " it, hhave only driven it underground. Crime and abuse are common. Instead of banning it, a better strategy is to tackle the underlying mechanism; fight poverty and inequality. In the developed countries, e.g. Germany, Holland and some others, prostitution is legalised; there is healthcare ( mandatory screening), they pay tax and belong to a trade union.
In addition, vice, is an integral part of urban life. It will never end with a ban.
Somalia; in the years before the civil war, prostitution was tolerated if not allowed; we had f-king street and Buur Karoole in Xamar. Today, we do not have areas where prostitutes are clustered; does that mean SOmalia is free from prostitution? obviously not... my point is that you cannot ban human temptations..
P.s. visit Saudi Arabia and see how a ban on prostitution works. It is everyhwere in Jeddah and Riyadh.
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So f-king Street actually existed, they obviously didn't care for subtlety :l
Right, you cannot eradicate prostitution in any urban setting but sanctioning the trade would expand it since it's a lucrative profession and there's no shortage of poverty stricken people in the country. Menace would be flicking through resumes in his newly established joint
Yummy, children are sexual commodities for foreigners in those places. Make up laden 14 year olds are escorted into the hotels from back entrances and sent up the rooms as dessert.
Right, you cannot eradicate prostitution in any urban setting but sanctioning the trade would expand it since it's a lucrative profession and there's no shortage of poverty stricken people in the country. Menace would be flicking through resumes in his newly established joint
Yummy, children are sexual commodities for foreigners in those places. Make up laden 14 year olds are escorted into the hotels from back entrances and sent up the rooms as dessert.
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Good, ban alcohol. I cannot stand the smell of khamr and walking around DC it is everywhere. Man is truly in a state of self destruction.
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